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[Get Real!]

And why would that startle Bananiot when he is a fervent member of this group and unashamedly publicly states…

“Who the heck cares about Cyprus?”

While collecting fat pay cheques and retirement packages from the RoC government?

Disgusting aren’t they?

And all because they are lucky that incompetent people are in power instead of someone like me… for I would hang them upside down a fig tree, rub honey on their bum cheeks and let beautiful mother nature of Cyprus show them the mercy they deserve…

[Kikapu]

Yusuf Kanli of Hurriyet Daily News is a Turkish Cypriot, anti-Greek Cypriot and pro partition Denktashist fanatic. One needs only read his numerous articles in HDN to immediately figure out the colors of his shield. Recently, he gave out Nicos Rolandis, that horrible, miserable and idiotic retired GC politician, as his collaborator. Enjoy Yusuf kanli (and Nicos Rolandis too) in the following link. On the right column you may also read the most recent of Kanli’s articles on Cyprus, so as not to have any doubts where he comes from.

http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/n.php? ... 2010-07-21

You have to admit though the list is impressive

“Peace moves rejected by Greek Cypriots:

1) 1948: Consultative Assembly: We rejected it.

2) 1955-56: Harding proposals: We rejected them.

3) 1956: Ratcliffe Constitution: We rejected it.

4) 1958: Macmillan Plan: We rejected it.

5) 1959-60: Zurich-London Agreements: We rejected them in 1963 (through the efforts to amend the Constitution) although we initially accepted them.

6) 1964: Acheson Plan: We rejected it.

7) 1972: Agreement of Clerides-Denktaş: We rejected it.

8 ) 1975: Bicommunal Arrangement: We rejected it.

9) 1978: Anglo-American Canadian Plan: We rejected it.

10) 1981: Evaluation of Waldheim: We rejected it.

11) 1983: Indicators of Perez de Cuellar: We rejected them.

12) 1985-86: Consolidated Documents of Perez de Cuellar: We rejected them.

13) 1992: Set of Ideas, Boutros Boutros-Ghali: We rejected them in 1993.

14) 1997: Kofi Annan's proposals at Troutbeck-Glion: They could not go through.

15) 2002-2004: Annan Plan: We rejected it.

Actually, it is a very impressive list, but what is more impressive, that the GCs refused all of the above options whether they were good plan or bad plan, and did so by risking the north being recognised when the RoC was nothing but a 37% occupied island against one of worlds major military powers. But now the RoC is a member of the EU states and Turkey is not and wants to be, where the playing field has been somewhat been leveled, which now, I can't imagine the GCs ever accepting a plan in the future that has any similarities to the AP of 2004. I guess Turkey should count it's blessings that they couldn't get the north recognised in the early stages after 1974, because now, Turkey cannot afford the the north being recognised if the north is not part of the RoC in a confederation agreement, or better yet, the north as an independent sovereign EU member state. The north as it is now has become a "white elephant" for preventing Turkey from playing a role in the EU on Turkey's terms.

Chances of the north becoming a confederation partner with the RoC or becoming a sovereign independent EU member state since when the RoC became a EU member state in 2004 are next to nil.!

[denizaksulu]

His list of plans we rejected was reported first in the Greek Cypriot press.

What is terribly wrong here Bananiot, is not that Cyprus has been rejecting plans, but that some body keeps producing and introducing them!

Doesn’t that ever strike you?

He is the most rational and pragmatic person that resides in this island...

Err, yeah... you're entitled to your opinion!

...but if one needs to seek out collaborators, then one needs to look no further than those whose interests (personal or thick nationalistic ones) made them reject every single solution plan that was put in front of us since 1947.

It seems you too have a passion for "plans"! I wonder why...

It is as clear as daylight that Cypriots themselves are incapable of providing 'workable plans'. Who else are you to blame apart from American, Greek and Turkish interests. We have to look at our elected leaders and trust them (at our peril ); if we cant do that ........what then?

[Kifeas]

Rolandis tells the truth, he never minces his words. His list of plans we rejected was reported first in the Greek Cypriot press. He is the most rational and pragmatic person that resides in this island and if he has Turkish friends, like secular Yusuf Kanli, good for him. Only a distorted mind can see a collaborator in Rolandis but if one needs to seek out collaborators, then one needs to look no further than those whose interests (personal or thick nationalistic ones) made them reject every single solution plan that was put in front of us since 1947.

"secular Yusuf Kanli"

Bananiot, I do not care if Yusuf Kanli is secular or religious. What I care about is the fact that he is a Turkish nationalist, an anti-Greek Cypriot to the bone, a dead partitionist and a fervent Denkatshist, admitting now that in his propaganda efforts he has recruited pathetic Rolandis, like he did with another pathetic, Loukas Charalambous.

Bananiot, you may wish to convince others that 99% of the GC society is irrational and utopean, and the only rational and pragmatic ones are this little 1% sharing yours, Rolandis’ and Loukas Charalambous’ views, and even further, you may indeed find some idiots that will fall after your nonsense. Not me Bananiot. Neither the vast majority of those with the slightest of intelligence in their heads.

I have many times told you that by default, what one will find at both ends of the spectrum of ideas -on any issue including the Cyprus one, will always be the extremists. Be it uncompromising fervent nationalists looking for either “all or nothing,” or surrendered defeatists ready to give “soil and water” on a first chance, they are both extremists. They may seat at opposite ends of the spectrum but they both have a common denominator between them, which is the fact that they enjoy only a very marginal popularity –like in our case. However, they can both be equally dangerous and harmful to their country.

[Get Real!]

It is as clear as daylight that Cypriots themselves are incapable of providing 'workable plans'. Who else are you to blame apart from American, Greek and Turkish interests. We have to look at our elected leaders and trust them (at our peril ); if we cant do that ........what then?

There is only one proven workable “plan” Deniz and it’s none other than a unitary, one-person one-vote, democratic EU republic!

Just like the one you’re taking advantage of where you live…

[denizaksulu]

It is as clear as daylight that Cypriots themselves are incapable of providing 'workable plans'. Who else are you to blame apart from American, Greek and Turkish interests. We have to look at our elected leaders and trust them (at our peril ); if we cant do that ........what then?

There is only one proven workable “plan” Deniz and it’s none other than a unitary, one-person one-vote, democratic EU republic!

Just like the one you’re taking advantage of where you live…

That I agree with GR, but the two elected leaders seem incapable to reach some magic formula.

What you say above is definitely what we would dream of but is it feasable?

Looking over Kyrenia from the heights of the Pentadaktylos, I asked you what do we do with 'all this'. I was showing you all the monstrous constructions going on. I remember your answer very well. Complete silence, you were 'dumbfounded' (no insult intended). The problems today are worse with the demographics have turned the north into something I recognize not.

Too many chances were missed GR, whether they were good plans or bad ones. I never believed any GC would ever vote for the Annan Plan, but it may have been a starting point for further negotiations.

The only way to make President GR happy is to drive ALL the Turk/TCs into the sea. That is the only way the 145,000 refugees will be able to return to their homes.

[Nikitas]

Two leaders one magic formula, how can that come about when one of those leaders is obviously working for a foreign power?

I am no communist and no fan of Christofias, but of the two he is the one pushing for a Cypriot solution, while the other one, Eroglu, is more concerned with Turkey's interests. When he precluded any territorial adjustment because it would cause "dislocation", any property return becaue it would violate the rights of those "currently in possession" and presses for compensation at 1/10 of the value, then we know where he is coming from and that he is no magician.

What dumbfounds me is that he actually thinks that there might be a chance of the other side saying yes to any of that. He is no magician but he probably believes in magic.

[denizaksulu]

Two leaders one magic formula, how can that come about when one of those leaders is obviously working for a foreign power?

I am no communist and no fan of Christofias, but of the two he is the one pushing for a Cypriot solution, while the other one, Eroglu, is more concerned with Turkey's interests. When he precluded any territorial adjustment because it would cause "dislocation", any property return becaue it would violate the rights of those "currently in possession" and presses for compensation at 1/10 of the value, then we know where he is coming from and that he is no magician.

What dumbfounds me is that he actually thinks that there might be a chance of the other side saying yes to any of that. He is no magician but he probably believes in magic.

[insan]

Two leaders one magic formula, how can that come about when one of those leaders is obviously working for a foreign power?

As if EU is not a foreign power created by Americans and GC leadership working for it...

[Nikitas]

The EU may be a foreign power, but aren't its laws and principles what supposedly each side wants? You know, all that stuff about the rule of law, personal rights of property, establishment, free movement of persons and goods etc? Does it not also provide an acceptable and objective forum to appeal in case of unnfairness or deviation from what is agreed?