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[B25]

Yusuf Kanli of Hurriyet Daily News is a Turkish Cypriot, anti-Greek Cypriot and pro partition Denktashist fanatic. One needs only read his numerous articles in HDN to immediately figure out the colors of his shield. Recently, he gave out Nicos Rolandis, that horrible, miserable and idiotic retired GC politician, as his collaborator. Enjoy Yusuf kanli (and Nicos Rolandis too) in the following link. On the right column you may also read the most recent of Kanli’s articles on Cyprus, so as not to have any doubts where he comes from.

http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/n.php? ... 2010-07-21

You have to admit though the list is impressive

“Peace moves rejected by Greek Cypriots:

1) 1948: Consultative Assembly: We rejected it.

2) 1955-56: Harding proposals: We rejected them.

3) 1956: Ratcliffe Constitution: We rejected it.

4) 1958: Macmillan Plan: We rejected it.

5) 1959-60: Zurich-London Agreements: We rejected them in 1963 (through the efforts to amend the Constitution) although we initially accepted them.

6) 1964: Acheson Plan: We rejected it.

7) 1972: Agreement of Clerides-Denktaş: We rejected it.

8 ) 1975: Bicommunal Arrangement: We rejected it.

9) 1978: Anglo-American Canadian Plan: We rejected it.

10) 1981: Evaluation of Waldheim: We rejected it.

11) 1983: Indicators of Perez de Cuellar: We rejected them.

12) 1985-86: Consolidated Documents of Perez de Cuellar: We rejected them.

13) 1992: Set of Ideas, Boutros Boutros-Ghali: We rejected them in 1993.

14) 1997: Kofi Annan's proposals at Troutbeck-Glion: They could not go through.

15) 2002-2004: Annan Plan: We rejected it.

Yes looking at a pile of shit with a cherry on it is impressive.

You'd think after the first couple of rejections they might ask why, but instead they kept on trying to deceive the GC people with more of the same under different guises and then blame us for again rejection. Damn right they were rejected. Just look at all the wankers names on each treasonous 'plan' FFS.

Then you get Banana getting orgasms again that he has more lists to throw at us as if we haven't enough shit thrown this way by the Turks.

Banana, let me ask you this, what gains do you hope to make by trying to talk us into giving up our country to the Turks???? Anything promised I wonder????

[Gasman]

The Bridge Magazine (A quarterly review on European integration - SE Europe & the SE Mediterranean) printed a longer version of the article, 'An appeal to Greek Cypriots by Nikos A. Rolandis', continuing on from where the one in the link in post 1 here stops (halfway thro' a paragraph):

And I have no doubt that if humans had an unusual longevity, Tassos, in the slow way in which he apparently reacts, would have realized in the year 2050 that the Annan Plan might be, after all, an acceptable solution.

I saw Mr. Papadopoulos the other day on television stating he wants a solution. “But the question is what such a solution will be,” he concluded. However, the question is not “what such a solution will be,” the question is whether 60 years after 1948, after we rejected all the opportunities offered to us and in the wake of the disastrous handling of our problem in the past five years, Mr. Papadopoulos anticipates that the skies will open up and that the ideal solution will emerge, acceptable to all of us, including the Turkish Cypriots and Ankara, so that Papadopoulos and the archbishop will manage to go to Kyrenia next year and throw the holy cross into the waters of the harbor, as they told us recently.

Has Tassos been to Kyrenia? Has he visited the territories of the north? Has he ever witnessed what is happening there? Has he seen the thousands of shops, the places of business, the houses, the hotels, the large and small installations, which all bear the Turkish stamp? He has not been there. Because if he had been there he should tell us how he proposes to demolish the ‘Constantinoupolis’ and the ‘Smyrni’ we have created in the north, through our stupidity of the past 60 years, for which he bears a lot of responsibility. Had he been there he would have shed many tears. Not like last time during his television appearance. He would cry privately, in silence …

Warning from Clerides
I shall add nothing more. I shall simply remind you of what the political patriarch of Cyprus, Glafcos Clerides, wrote on the last page (383) of his recent book “Documents of an Era.”

“The postponement of the solution of the Cyprus problem to the remote future will have only one consequence: The recognition of the legal entity of the de facto regime, even without any sovereignty, so that its isolation will be lifted. In such a case the fruitless lapse of time will lead to the solution which Denktas and Turkey were unsuccessfully targeting for 33 years, namely, the partition of Cyprus into two sovereign states.”

[cymart]

That sums up the reality here very precisely,unless of course you think Clerides is as bad as Papadopoulos!There has already been partition since 1974 and within a matter of months there is a real danger it will become permanent,without any return of territory to the G.C's!

[Jerry]

An expansion of Clerides thoughts: -


Leaders across political spectrum pay tribute to Clerides at book launch
By Jean Christou
PRESIDENTIAL election candidates last night put their rivalry aside to jointly pay tribute to former president Glafcos Clerides...
at the launch of his latest book Documenting an Era.
With incumbent President Tassos Papadopoulos on his right and AKEL candidate Demetris on his left, Clerides, 88, laughed and joked with everyone who came to pay their respects, and received two standing ovations during the launch in Nicosia.
These included third candidate, DISY’s Ioannis Kasoulides, former President George Vassiliou, Foreign Minister Erato Kozakou-Marcoullis, Attorney-general Petros Clerides, party leaders and other top figures.
Clerides’ book documents his two terms in office, covering the era 1993-2003 when he lost the election to Papadopoulos. It takes in efforts to solve the Cyprus problem during that period plus other aspects of Clerides’ presidency.
During his address, Clerides said he did not write the book as a testament to his presidency but as a means to lay out the difficulties faced in trying to solve the Cyprus issue. It includes letters and other correspondence between Clerdies and then Turkish Cypriot leader Rauf Denktash, various UN Secretary Generals and Cyprus envoy Alvaro de Soto.
A the end of the 549-page tome, Clerides sets out the dangers that lie ahead for Cyprus without a solution and even with a solution.

“We must understand that unfortunately that any solution will legitimise part of the results of the invasion,” he said.

“Instead of an illegal Turkish occupation there will be a legal occupation by a Turkish Cypriot canton where they will exercise executive, legislative and judicial powers, a regime which would never have existed if it had not been preceded by the coup and invasion.
“If we don't wish to find a solution which will legitimise the de facto situation, we should have to seek unitary state but his cannot be achieved by the UN without international support,” he added.
Clerides said an unresolved Cyprus problem could only lead to one result: the recognition of the entity of the de facto regime even without sovereignty, just to ease its isolation.
“Such a situation would lead the solution they [the Turkish side] were seeking for 33 years and that is the partition of Cyprus into two states.”
This was the always the hope of Bulent Ecevit, the Turkish Prime Minister in 1974, Clerides said.
“He always supported that the Cyprus problem was solved on the ground and that time would legitimise that solution.”
In his address, President Tassos Papadopoulos said he had accepted the invitation because he wanted to express his deep respect to Clerides the man and the politician.
“I am connected with Glafcos Clerides in our common struggle and in our years of effort to solve the problem of our country and its future,” said Papadopoulos.
“The disagreements and the opposition are merely the traits and privileges of the jewel of democracy, and Glafcos Clerides personifies this jewel with the gentleness of his character, his tolerance and politeness, with his morals and his style and with his magnanimity.”

Papadopoulos said despite their disagreements there was no questioning Clerides’ love of his country and the seriousness of his political reasoning.
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Copyright © Cyprus Mail 2007

So, do we gamble and hope that justice will prevail and one day Cyprus will be a true democracy or do we cut our losses and submit to and accept what Turkey has gained by armed force. At each stage of "negotiations" we are offered less and less.

The problem for those in the north is that they don't realise that cheated GCs in the south will make very poor neighbours. But then, those in the north will not be TCs, they will be mainlanders, carpetbaggers and military I wonder where the TCs will go? South?

[Nikitas]

The GCs rejected all those plans presented to them. The implication is that all other sides involved in the Cyprus problem accepted them all. Well did they? I know that Turkey was not keen on the Acheson plan as it stood and wanted Greece to hand over two of the eastern Aegean islands.

[Bananiot]

Nikitas, it is not up to your standards to make inferences of the type "the other side accepted them, thus they must be bad for us". Read through them and decide for yourself how mulish we have always been.

Things are never black and white of course, some plans were accepted by one party and rejected by the other. Take the consultative assembly for instance. AKEL was all for it, first time round in 1947 but the ethnarchy did not want to hear about it. The Brits gave up because they did not want to reach a deal only with the communists. Next time round, the ethnarchy was all for it but AKEL rejected it, probably calculating that the communists would prevail in Greece. Till today, party comes first in this place Nikitas. Look at the AngloCanadianAmerican plan. We all accepted it, but then, Moscow spoke against it and AKEL of course followed suit. This is the sad story of Cyprus.

Finally, another bit of our history that we should all remember comes from 1956 when George Loyd (minister of colonies) came to Cyprus to wrap up an agreement to which the ethnarchy and Grivas agreed to. EOKA greeted him with 12 explosions in Nicosia. When Loyd went to see Makarios he simply told him. I am leaving, may God have mercy on your people.

[Nikitas]

Bananiot,

I am not disputing our mulishness or the partisan priorities of politicians. But the rejection ratio is about even for both sides.

There were irreconcilable strategies at work, and the most pervasive and systematically applied strategy is that of Turkey. It is obvious now, when Greece extricated itself from the issue, that Turkey was the major player all along and still is the side with the most maximalist demands. It is also the side that has released the least amount of state information about its Cyprus policy.

I am still waiting to see now, that Turkey has succeded in achieving most of its goals, what it iis prepared to concede. Other than generalities and platitudes I have not heard anything precise from Turkey in 36 years of direct involvement in Cyprus.

[Bananiot]

Turkey is basically doing what we were doing when we were on top. We managed to let go of any leverage we had with regards of the European aspirations of Turkey because of our phobic character which was best illustrated in the period between 2003-2004 and now we are pondering over a lost cause, I am afraid. The occupied part is fast becoming another district of Turkey, the number of settlers increases by the day, not a single soldier has left and not a single refugee has returned. In 2003 the prospect were much more different and Turkey was willing to let go but we thought they were playing a communications trick.

[Kifeas]

Rolandis tells the truth, he never minces his words. His list of plans we rejected was reported first in the Greek Cypriot press. He is the most rational and pragmatic person that resides in this island and if he has Turkish friends, like secular Yusuf Kanli, good for him. Only a distorted mind can see a collaborator in Rolandis but if one needs to seek out collaborators, then one needs to look no further than those whose interests (personal or thick nationalistic ones) made them reject every single solution plan that was put in front of us since 1947.

"secular Yusuf Kanli"

Bananiot, I do not care if Yusuf Kanli is secular or religious. What I care about is the fact that he is a Turkish nationalist, an anti-Greek Cypriot to the bone, a dead partitionist and a fervent Denkatshist, admitting now that in his propaganda efforts he has recruited pathetic Rolandis, like he did with another pathetic, Loukas Charalambous.

[Nikitas]

"In 2003 the prospect were much more different and Turkey was willing to let go but we thought they were playing a communications trick."

Funny you should mention it, but I still remember vividly the expression on Erdoghan's face when after Burgenstok he triuamphantly announced "we got what we wanted without removing a single soldier or returning an inch of land". Seems that the initial impression that it was all a communications ploy was probably accurate.

The other aspect that is confusing is the total lack of any goodwill moves by Turkey, the military victor. There are any number of moves that could sway the GC population and decrease the credibility of GC politicians in the eyes of the GC voter. Turkey has not even hinted at any such moves, unless you count those rumours that Erdoghan was going to Burgenstok with some "surprising maps in his briefcase".

In the end the inference that can be reasonably drawn from all this is that the TCs were a mere excuse and that the final act in Cyprus has yet to be played out. Another inference is that the TC public, like the GC public, are very easy to fool and are politically unsophisticated. They see themselves turned into an insiginificant minority while we are convinced that losing our patrimony is OK as long as we become EU members and BMW owners.