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[vaughanwilliams]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-10730573

[CopperLine]

vaughanwilliams,
Although this ICJ opinion is instructive for TRNC I'm not sure that it makes too much difference to the Cyprus problem since all it does is confirm that a declaration of independence is not unlawful in international law. This opinion doesn't say anything about recognition (since this is a domestic law/public policy matter, and not therefore justiciable by the ICJ).

[Piratis]

Cyprus has challenged Turkey to take the case to the ICJ. Turkey refused because they knew they would loose it.

The case of Kosovo is similar to the one of Kurdistan, and I do hope that the Kurds will declare their independence soon. The Turks are oppressing the Kurdish people for centuries and is time for the Kurds to have their own independent state on their own land.

In the case of Cyprus we are talking about (1) a foreign invasion, (2) ethnic cleansing of the majority of the local population, (3) replacement of the local population with foreign Settlers in violation of the Geneva convention. So how is Cyprus related with Kosovo???

How can those foreigners declare independence over a territory where the vast majority of the population are Greek Cypriots? Only the majority of the population of a territory can declare independence. And no, the answer is not "by ethically cleansing the Greek Cypriots and replacing them with foreign Anatolian Settlers", since this is just a heinous crime, not something that gives to the invaders any rights over our lands.

This is why there is a very clear resolution by the security council the day that the invaders illegally declared some "Turkish State" on the territory which belongs to us and not them.

RESOLUTION 541 (1983)

Adopted by the Security Council
on 18 November 1983



The Security Council,

Having heard the statement of the Foreign Minister of the Government of the Republic of Cyprus,

Concerned at the declaration by the Turkish Cypriot authorities issued on 15 November 1983 which purports to create an independent state in northern Cyprus,

Considering that this declaration is incompatible with the 1960 Treaty concerning the establishment of the Republic of Cyprus and the 1960 Treaty of Guarantee,

Considering therefore that the attempt to create a "Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus", is invalid, and will contribute to a worsening of the situation in Cyprus,

Reaffirming its resolutions 365(1974) and 367(1975),

Aware of the need for a solution of the Cyprus problem, based on the mission of good offices undertaken by the Secretary-General,

Affirming its continuing support for the United Nations Peace-Keeping Force in Cyprus,

Taking note of the Secretary-General's statement of 17 November 1983,

1. Deplores the declaration of the Turkish Cypriot authorities of the purported secession of part of the Republic of Cyprus;

2. Considers the declaration referred to above as legally invalid and calls for its withdrawal;

3. Calls for the urgent and effective implementation of its resolutions 365(1974) and 367(1975);

4. Requests the Secretary-General to pursue his mission of good offices in order to achieve the earliest possible progress towards a just and lasting settlement in Cyprus;

5. Calls upon the parties to cooperate fully with the Secretary-General in his mission of good offices;

6. Calls upon all States to respect the sovereignty, independence, territorial integrity and non-alignment of the Republic of Cyprus;

7. Calls upon all States not to recognise any Cypriot state other than the Republic of Cyprus;

8. Calls upon all States and the two communities in Cyprus to refrain from any action which might exacerbate the situation;

9. Requests the Secretary-General to keep the Security Council fully informed.

Adopted at the 2500th meeting by 13 votes to 1 against (Pakistan) with 1 abstention (Jordan).

[Jerry]

And of course the 90% ethnic Albanian majority already populated Kosovo, the ethnic cleansing of the indigenous population did not create the state. Strange, how 90% are "allowed" majority rule these days but in Cyprus 82% failed the legal "test”.

[runaway]

So how is Cyprus related with Kosovo???

[/quote]

Serbs killed Albanians.
south cypriots killed TCs.

As simple as that.

[Oracle]

And of course the 90% ethnic Albanian majority already populated Kosovo, the ethnic cleansing of the indigenous population did not create the state. Strange, how 90% are "allowed" majority rule these days but in Cyprus 82% failed the legal "test”.

The 82% didn't "fail" anything, Jerry. Turkey took by FORCE. And that is the number one reason why "TRNC"s declaration for independence will be deemed "unlawful in International Law" by the ICJ if they use the same criteria as they did for Kosovo!

Good news for Cyprus, I say! -- if only Turkey would do the honours and attend the ICJ.

[Piratis]

And of course the 90% ethnic Albanian majority already populated Kosovo, the ethnic cleansing of the indigenous population did not create the state. Strange, how 90% are "allowed" majority rule these days but in Cyprus 82% failed the legal "test”.

In the 1950s, as the vast majority of the population, we had every right to determine the destiny of our island and unite with Greece like every other Greek island which was liberated. We didn't fail any legal test, as there was no legal test for us. The Turks and the British just blackmailed us and forced us to accept their terms.

Today it is again the same. Turkey refuses to take the case to the ICJ, and they instead keep our land which they illegally occupy as hostage, and try in this way to blackmail us to accept their unfair terms.

[Jerry]

And of course the 90% ethnic Albanian majority already populated Kosovo, the ethnic cleansing of the indigenous population did not create the state. Strange, how 90% are "allowed" majority rule these days but in Cyprus 82% failed the legal "test”.

The 82% didn't "fail" anything, Jerry. Turkey took by FORCE. And that is the number one reason why "TRNC"s declaration for independence will be deemed "unlawful in International Law" by the ICJ if they use the same criteria as they did for Kosovo!

Good news for Cyprus, I say! -- if only Turkey would do the honours and attend the ICJ.

I'm well aware of what happened in 1974. 82% failed in the Zurich agreement, perhaps I should have made that clear.

[Jerry]

And of course the 90% ethnic Albanian majority already populated Kosovo, the ethnic cleansing of the indigenous population did not create the state. Strange, how 90% are "allowed" majority rule these days but in Cyprus 82% failed the legal "test”.

In the 1950s, as the vast majority of the population, we had every right to determine the destiny of our island and unite with Greece like every other Greek island which was liberated. We didn't fail any legal test, as there was no legal test for us. The Turks and the British just blackmailed us and forced us to accept their terms.

Today it is again the same. Turkey refuses to take the case to the ICJ, and they instead keep our land which they illegally occupy as hostage, and try in this way to blackmail us to accept their unfair terms.

You obviously do not understand why "test" was so expressed.

[Piratis]

So how is Cyprus related with Kosovo???

Serbs killed Albanians.
south cypriots killed TCs.

As simple as that.[/quote]

Those who you refer as "south Cypriots" are the native Cypriot people. The only reason that the native Cypriot people currently live on the south of the island is because they have been ethnically cleansed by the invading Turks in 1974. Until that time the native Cypriot people have been the majority of the whole island for 1000s of years.

It is not the Cypriot people who invaded Turkey, it is the Turks who invaded our island, multiple times. It is the Turks who started all wars and conflicts in Cyprus with the aim to take our lands and impose their rule on our island, starting from their first invasion in 1570, the oppression and the massacres of the Cypriot people that followed for the next 3+ centuries, the intercommunal conflict which the Turks again started just 80 years after their oppressive rule ended, and finally with their second invasion in 1974, the ethnic cleansing of the local population and the illegal occupation of our lands which continues until today.

If the Turks had not been invading our island then nobody would be killed in such conflicts and wars, since such wars and conflicts would have never been created. 10s of thousands of Cypriots were massacred during the wars and conflicts initiated by the Turks. In comparison the Turkish loses in the wars they initiated against us where far less.