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[Viewpoint]

Copperline, I'm curious, are members of the EU obliged to adhere to decisions made by the ICJ or ECJ?

And since you, as far as I recall, did not express a view on the Jennifer Lopez saga, is her contract enforceable?
(apologies for going a bit off topic)

Jerry,
To be honest the JLo thing bored me. Same old, same old.

Not according to VP. It's a huge PR victory for the (pseudo) Cratos. I tried to explain otherwise, but there was no convincing him.

I hear the hotel has booked super-star magician David Copperfield next. Of course, he'll be doing the usual disappearing act. VP will claim it's all part of the amazing show... (or, should I say no-show).

Thank you for proving my point you are still talking about the Cratos Premium, have you been there yet Mala?

Yes, while the Cratos got all the glory, the "trnc" got all the crap.!

By the way, Cratos is sold out for the next 3 weeks, possibly because of all the freebies given to politicians and military officials as part of the "you scratch my back and I'll scratch yours" kind of deals and anyone who had booked to come and see JLo before she backed out, and then it becomes available again by mid August.

Looks like the honeymoon period for Cratos is going to be far shorter than I originally thought.!

Your mud slinging comments hoping they will stick means nothing as you are clearly a doom and gloom merchnat what was it last year Turkey is going belly up shit, what will you say if Cratos is still around 2 years later? or do you hope people will forget the crap you spout out at every opportunity.

[Malapapa]

Not according to VP. It's a huge PR victory for the (pseudo) Cratos. I tried to explain otherwise, but there was no convincing him.

I hear the hotel has booked super-star magician David Copperfield next. Of course, he'll be doing the usual disappearing act. VP will claim it's all part of the amazing show... (or, should I say no-show).

Thank you for proving my point you are still talking about the Cratos Premium,

Yes and we're still cracking jokes about the not-so-premium England World Cup team. There's still mileage in these major international humiliations.

have you been there yet Mala?

They've offered me $3 million to do stand-up in place of Robin Williams, who's just pulled out. I've taken the money in advance, but I don't think I'll turn up either.

[Viewpoint]

Not according to VP. It's a huge PR victory for the (pseudo) Cratos. I tried to explain otherwise, but there was no convincing him.

I hear the hotel has booked super-star magician David Copperfield next. Of course, he'll be doing the usual disappearing act. VP will claim it's all part of the amazing show... (or, should I say no-show).

Thank you for proving my point you are still talking about the Cratos Premium,

Yes and we're still cracking jokes about the not-so-premium England World Cup team. There's still mileage in these major international humiliations.

have you been there yet Mala?

They've offered me $3 million to do stand-up in place of Robin Williams, who's just pulled out. I've taken the money in advance, but I don't think I'll turn up either.

Youll never forget the Cratos Premium Hotel.

[Piratis]

Piratis,
I'd hoped against hope that you weren't going to take around this sterile circle yet again.

All you've given us again is a statement by a politician with a well-known view about Turkey, when actually I asked for evidence and a credible link to RoC submitting a case to the ICJ. And for evidence and a credible link that Turkey rejected the ICJ's hearing of a Cyprus-Turkey case.

If RoC had actually submiited a case to the ICJ you'd think the ICJ would have a record of it, yes ? And if a state party had refused to participate in an ICJ hearing, you'd think the ICJ would have a record of it, yes ?

And once more, for the record, most state parties as a matter of public policy do not recognise as a matter of principle the compulsory character of ICJ judgments, for example, France, Russia, USA, and China. This is not peculiar to Turkey. Even the UK only acceded to this in 2004 not much after Cyprus in 2002. In fact less than one third of state parties recognize the compulsory jurisdiction of the ICJ.

The one who made the statement challenging Turkey to take the case to the ICJ was not just some politician, but the president of Cyprus.

The RoC could not have forced Turkey to the ICJ because Turkey does not recognize the jurisdiction of the ICJ as compulsory.

Each State which has recognized the compulsory jurisdiction of the Court has in principle the right to bring any one or more other State which has accepted the same obligation before the Court by filing an application instituting proceedings with the Court, and, conversely, it has undertaken to appear before the Court should proceedings be instituted against it by one or more such other States.

http://www.icj-cij.org/jurisdiction/ind ... &p2=1&p3=3

Since Turkey does not recognize the jurisdiction of the court as compulsory the only way that the case could be examined by the ICJ is if Turkey agreed for this.

This is why the president of Cyprus publicly and in the most direct way challenged Turkey to agree to take the case to ICJ. Turkey didn't take up the challenge for obvious to all reasons.

[Kikapu]

Not according to VP. It's a huge PR victory for the (pseudo) Cratos. I tried to explain otherwise, but there was no convincing him.

I hear the hotel has booked super-star magician David Copperfield next. Of course, he'll be doing the usual disappearing act. VP will claim it's all part of the amazing show... (or, should I say no-show).

Thank you for proving my point you are still talking about the Cratos Premium,

Yes and we're still cracking jokes about the not-so-premium England World Cup team. There's still mileage in these major international humiliations.

have you been there yet Mala?

They've offered me $3 million to do stand-up in place of Robin Williams, who's just pulled out. I've taken the money in advance, but I don't think I'll turn up either.

Youll never forget the Cratos Premium Hotel.

Well, at least we know where to find you if needed. You'll be at the Kratos.!

[paliometoxo]

SC didn't ask for an opinion from the ICJ .

Who cares what south cyprus thinks.

and who cares what turks thinks? no on cares about either south or north cyprus.. if you think some one does your fooling yourself..

North Cyprus is Türkiye.

i see... and all of cyprus is greece? sounds to me you would be happier in turkey not cyprus.. and you condem the hardliner gcs.. your just as bad as they are, its people like you that made the cyprus problem exist today.. keep up the cleaver cyprus is turkish thinking

Why do you not speak up when GCs claim the whole island to be Greek?

i have done in the past, just not so much lately as i have stayed off the cy problem section until recent days.

but also when i say just as bad as they are i mean they are both just as bad as each other and it is not just the tcs but the gcs who also have this attitude and made us end up where we are today with a problem that wont go away

[Get Real!]

Youll never forget the Cratos Premium Hotel.

The Cratos wanted to make a boom but it ended up making a pop!

[CopperLine]

Piratis,
I'd hoped against hope that you weren't going to take around this sterile circle yet again.

All you've given us again is a statement by a politician with a well-known view about Turkey, when actually I asked for evidence and a credible link to RoC submitting a case to the ICJ. And for evidence and a credible link that Turkey rejected the ICJ's hearing of a Cyprus-Turkey case.

If RoC had actually submiited a case to the ICJ you'd think the ICJ would have a record of it, yes ? And if a state party had refused to participate in an ICJ hearing, you'd think the ICJ would have a record of it, yes ?

And once more, for the record, most state parties as a matter of public policy do not recognise as a matter of principle the compulsory character of ICJ judgments, for example, France, Russia, USA, and China. This is not peculiar to Turkey. Even the UK only acceded to this in 2004 not much after Cyprus in 2002. In fact less than one third of state parties recognize the compulsory jurisdiction of the ICJ.

The one who made the statement challenging Turkey to take the case to the ICJ was not just some politician, but the president of Cyprus.

The RoC could not have forced Turkey to the ICJ because Turkey does not recognize the jurisdiction of the ICJ as compulsory.

Each State which has recognized the compulsory jurisdiction of the Court has in principle the right to bring any one or more other State which has accepted the same obligation before the Court by filing an application instituting proceedings with the Court, and, conversely, it has undertaken to appear before the Court should proceedings be instituted against it by one or more such other States.

http://www.icj-cij.org/jurisdiction/ind ... &p2=1&p3=3

Since Turkey does not recognize the jurisdiction of the court as compulsory the only way that the case could be examined by the ICJ is if Turkey agreed for this.

This is why the president of Cyprus publicly and in the most direct way challenged Turkey to agree to take the case to ICJ. Turkey didn't take up the challenge for obvious to all reasons.

Your response Piratis is mind-bogglingly evasive and perverse. Rather than RoC use the GA to request an opinion of the ICJ, rather than use the UNSC to request an opinion of the ICJ, rather than even declare and publicise RoC intention to register a case with the ICJ (attracting an equally public possible rejection from RoT) your argument is that Papadopolous dared Turkey to take a case to the ICJ and Turkey refused the dare. Now that is politically and legally idiotic. (To use your own daft logic Piratis, why didn't Papadopolous take one or all of the first three options ? Was he afraid that he'd "loose" ?)

[Nikitas]

They find villages with centuries old Greek names and change them, then they build brand new hotels and give them Greek names.

Is this some kind of fashion or just plain paranoia? Cratos, Artemis, Salamis etc and now they are turning biblical and calling one Noah's Ark. What is the story?

[humanist]

it's called lost in space and dunno what to do lol