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[runaway]

SC didn't ask for an opinion from the ICJ .

Who cares what south cyprus thinks.

and who cares what turks thinks? no on cares about either south or north cyprus.. if you think some one does your fooling yourself..

North Cyprus is Türkiye.

But Türk is rum since 1 November 1928. And what's more rums never even stole it. Your Father gave your language away.

Runaway does not know who his "father" is, because he thinks Kemal was the first name of his "father".!

kakapuros um exile ist heimatlos und vaterlos.

[Jerry]

Copperline, I'm curious, are members of the EU obliged to adhere to decisions made by the ICJ or ECJ?

And since you, as far as I recall, did not express a view on the Jennifer Lopez saga, is her contract enforceable?
(apologies for going a bit off topic)

[Kikapu]

SC didn't ask for an opinion from the ICJ .

Who cares what south cyprus thinks.

and who cares what turks thinks? no on cares about either south or north cyprus.. if you think some one does your fooling yourself..

North Cyprus is Türkiye.

But Türk is rum since 1 November 1928. And what's more rums never even stole it. Your Father gave your language away.

Runaway does not know who his "father" is, because he thinks Kemal was the first name of his "father".!

kakapuros um exile ist heimatlos und vaterlos.

Eric Dayi would also try to write in German also from time to time, and not very well I may add, as the case is above also. Thanks for the confirmation that Runaway aka Eric Dayi are the same person.!

Give an idiot enough rope and he will hang himself for sure.!.

[Piratis]

Piratis wrote :

Cyprus has challenged Turkey to take the case to the ICJ.

The ICJ is not a "challenge" it is a court.

When was this so-called "challenge" issued by Cyprus ? When was this so-called "challenge" declined by Turkey ? In the words of another Forumer, give us some credible evidence with credible links.

(And your conclusion that Turkey didn't take up the challenge because it would "loose" [sic] has the same logical status as concluding that it forsook the challenge because it would win. In exactly the same way, and without a jot of evidence that logic allows us to say that the reason Cyprus has not forced the issue at the ICJ is because it knows that it would win/lose). If it is so effing obvious Piratis why on earth do parties ask for court opinions at all ? Why don't they just come to you for the answer to everything ?

Here you go:

“Our view is well known that the presence of the Turkish occupation troops, as well as the Turkish invasion, cannot be legally based on the Treaty of Guarantee and their stay in Cyprus is, in any case, illegal. This is in reply to the allegations that the occupation is legal. We said that if Turkey believes this, then it can appeal or agree to appeal to the International Court of Justice in The Hague”. The President of the Republic Mr Tassos Papadopoulos stated the above, replying to a question on the Government’s position that Turkey must appeal to the International Court of Justice in The Hague, in relation to the legality of the presence of Turkish occupation troops in the occupied areas.

President Papadopoulos, who was speaking at Larnaca airport on Friday prior to his departure for New York, where he will address the UN General Assembly, said that his statement was primarily in response to the statement of the Turkish Cypriot side and to the statement of the representative of the Turkish Armed Forces that the occupation forces are in Cyprus legally, based on the Treaty of Guarantee. “As it is also known,” he added, “Turkey has not recognized the jurisdiction of the International Court of Justice, therefore to make an appeal, a prior agreement should be made to note down the differences between the two countries and the issue to be referred to The Hague. Consequently, we cannot appeal before this agreement is reached.” “I repeat that for us this is not a legal question, it is a political issue. If we also have legal protection, we must abandon it?” President Papadopoulos wondered.

http://www.cyprus.gov.cy/moi/pio/pio.ns ... endocument

Turkey does not recognize the jurisdictional of the ICJ as compulsory (Cyprus does) and therefore Cyprus is not able to take turkey to the ICJ without the prior agreement of Turkey.

This is why Papadopoulos openly and publicly challenged Turkey to agree to take the case to the ICJ. Turkey did not respond to the challenge. We all know why but you can continue to pretend that you don't

[runaway]

SC didn't ask for an opinion from the ICJ .

Who cares what south cyprus thinks.

and who cares what turks thinks? no on cares about either south or north cyprus.. if you think some one does your fooling yourself..

North Cyprus is Türkiye.

But Türk is rum since 1 November 1928. And what's more rums never even stole it. Your Father gave your language away.

Runaway does not know who his "father" is, because he thinks Kemal was the first name of his "father".!

kakapuros um exile ist heimatlos und vaterlos.

Eric Dayi would also try to write in German also from time to time, and not very well I may add, as the case is above also. Thanks for the confirmation that Runaway aka Eric Dayi are the same person.!

Give an idiot enough rope and he will hang himself for sure.!.

Y hablaba castellano y frances tambien tu tio Erik? No se cuantos anyos tienes pero lo que estoy seguro de que es eres un tonto. Un tonto sin pais. Estas en exilio y siempre lo estaras.

[CopperLine]

Copperline, I'm curious, are members of the EU obliged to adhere to decisions made by the ICJ or ECJ?

And since you, as far as I recall, did not express a view on the Jennifer Lopez saga, is her contract enforceable?
(apologies for going a bit off topic)

Jerry,
To be honest the JLo thing bored me. Same old, same old.

Enforceability of the contract ? Depends on where (jursidiction) that the contract was signed. I doubt that it was signed in TRNC (though it is possible) so international private commercial law applies. In the absence of information about the contract all else is speculation.

The ICJ and ECJ while both international courts operate differently. Effectively the ECJ deals now not with international law but with European Union law in all its diversity which is a now distinct family of law. The answer to your question then is yes EU state are obliged to comply with and enforce ECJ judgments, failure to so can lead to hefty financial penalties.

The ICJ on the other hand is a strictly international court adjudicating only between state parties and UN organisations, and of giving opinions to the same. The question of 'adherence' or compliance is quite complicated - it depends on how the case was referred, what role the ICJ is playing, issues of jurisidiction and justiciability, and what kind of decision it makes. States have also refused the jurisdiction of the ICJ, most (in)famously in the case of Nicaragua v. United States of America. Ironically Libya - a supposedly rogue state - is one of the most respectful of states vis the ICJ.

The truth is that the ICJ has been far less used than might be imagined. Many critics say that whatever its decisions, it doesn't have the teeth for enforcement.

[CopperLine]

Piratis,
I'd hoped against hope that you weren't going to take around this sterile circle yet again.

All you've given us again is a statement by a politician with a well-known view about Turkey, when actually I asked for evidence and a credible link to RoC submitting a case to the ICJ. And for evidence and a credible link that Turkey rejected the ICJ's hearing of a Cyprus-Turkey case.

If RoC had actually submiited a case to the ICJ you'd think the ICJ would have a record of it, yes ? And if a state party had refused to participate in an ICJ hearing, you'd think the ICJ would have a record of it, yes ?

And once more, for the record, most state parties as a matter of public policy do not recognise as a matter of principle the compulsory character of ICJ judgments, for example, France, Russia, USA, and China. This is not peculiar to Turkey. Even the UK only acceded to this in 2004 not much after Cyprus in 2002. In fact less than one third of state parties recognize the compulsory jurisdiction of the ICJ.

[paliometoxo]

SC didn't ask for an opinion from the ICJ .

Who cares what south cyprus thinks.

and who cares what turks thinks? no on cares about either south or north cyprus.. if you think some one does your fooling yourself..

North Cyprus is Türkiye.

i see... and all of cyprus is greece? sounds to me you would be happier in turkey not cyprus.. and you condem the hardliner gcs.. your just as bad as they are, its people like you that made the cyprus problem exist today.. keep up the cleaver cyprus is turkish thinking

[Jerry]

Copperline, I'm curious, are members of the EU obliged to adhere to decisions made by the ICJ or ECJ?

And since you, as far as I recall, did not express a view on the Jennifer Lopez saga, is her contract enforceable?
(apologies for going a bit off topic)

Jerry,
To be honest the JLo thing bored me. Same old, same old.

Enforceability of the contract ? Depends on where (jursidiction) that the contract was signed. I doubt that it was signed in TRNC (though it is possible) so international private commercial law applies. In the absence of information about the contract all else is speculation.

The ICJ and ECJ while both international courts operate differently. Effectively the ECJ deals now not with international law but with European Union law in all its diversity which is a now distinct family of law. The answer to your question then is yes EU state are obliged to comply with and enforce ECJ judgments, failure to so can lead to hefty financial penalties.

The ICJ on the other hand is a strictly international court adjudicating only between state parties and UN organisations, and of giving opinions to the same. The question of 'adherence' or compliance is quite complicated - it depends on how the case was referred, what role the ICJ is playing, issues of jurisidiction and justiciability, and what kind of decision it makes. States have also refused the jurisdiction of the ICJ, most (in)famously in the case of Nicaragua v. United States of America. Ironically Libya - a supposedly rogue state - is one of the most respectful of states vis the ICJ.

The truth is that the ICJ has been far less used than might be imagined. Many critics say that whatever its decisions, it doesn't have the teeth for enforcement.

Thanks for that. So, who instigates proceedings in the ECJ, is it the EU for non compliance of its laws or can one member request the ECJ to take action against another member state? Should Turkey worry about the authority of the ECJ if it ever joins the EU?

[Kikapu]

SC didn't ask for an opinion from the ICJ .

Who cares what south cyprus thinks.

and who cares what turks thinks? no on cares about either south or north cyprus.. if you think some one does your fooling yourself..

North Cyprus is Türkiye.

But Türk is rum since 1 November 1928. And what's more rums never even stole it. Your Father gave your language away.

Runaway does not know who his "father" is, because he thinks Kemal was the first name of his "father".!

kakapuros um exile ist heimatlos und vaterlos.

Eric Dayi would also try to write in German also from time to time, and not very well I may add, as the case is above also. Thanks for the confirmation that Runaway aka Eric Dayi are the same person.!

Give an idiot enough rope and he will hang himself for sure.!.

Y hablaba castellano y frances tambien tu tio Erik? No se cuantos anyos tienes pero lo que estoy seguro de que es eres un tonto. Un tonto sin pais. Estas en exilio y siempre lo estaras.

What ever you say, Eric Dayi.!