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[Piratis]

And of course the 90% ethnic Albanian majority already populated Kosovo, the ethnic cleansing of the indigenous population did not create the state. Strange, how 90% are "allowed" majority rule these days but in Cyprus 82% failed the legal "test”.

In the 1950s, as the vast majority of the population, we had every right to determine the destiny of our island and unite with Greece like every other Greek island which was liberated. We didn't fail any legal test, as there was no legal test for us. The Turks and the British just blackmailed us and forced us to accept their terms.

Today it is again the same. Turkey refuses to take the case to the ICJ, and they instead keep our land which they illegally occupy as hostage, and try in this way to blackmail us to accept their unfair terms.

You obviously do not understand why "test" was so expressed.

I was just making it more clear

[runaway]

What kind of a logic is that? Unbeliavable how much you are stuck in 1570. Grow up. Aren't you the one living in Australia? Following your logic, you are an invader in that country and Australians have every right to kick you out of their country.

Now the crucial question: Are kikapu and denizaksulu invaders in "Cyprus"?

[Piratis]

So how is Cyprus related with Kosovo???

Serbs killed Albanians.
south cypriots killed TCs.

As simple as that.

Those who you refer as "south Cypriots" are the native Cypriot people. The only reason that the native Cypriot people currently live on the south of the island is because they have been ethnically cleansed by the invading Turks in 1974. Until that time the native Cypriot people have been the majority of the whole island for 1000s of years.

It is not the Cypriot people who invaded Turkey, it is the Turks who invaded our island, multiple times. It is the Turks who started all wars and conflicts in Cyprus with the aim to take our lands and impose their rule on our island, starting from their first invasion in 1570, the oppression and the massacres of the Cypriot people that followed for the next 3+ centuries, the intercommunal conflict which the Turks again started just 80 years after their oppressive rule ended, and finally with their second invasion in 1974, the ethnic cleansing of the local population and the illegal occupation of our lands which continues until today.

If the Turks had not been invading our island then nobody would be killed in such conflicts and wars, since such wars and conflicts would have never been created. 10s of thousands of Cypriots were massacred during the wars and conflicts initiated by the Turks. In comparison the Turkish loses in the wars they initiated against us where far less.

What kind of a logic is that? Unbeliavable how much you are stuck in 1570. Grow up. Aren't you the one living in Australia? Following your logic, you are an invader in that country and Australians have every right to kick you out of their country.

Now the crucial question: Are kikapu and denizaksulu invaders in "Cyprus"? [/quote]

I am not stuck in 1570 at all. The Turks continue the same kind of crimes today. 1570 was just the beginning of their crimes against us. They never stopped since then.

I am living in Cyprus not in Australia. Those Cypriots that went to Australia did so legally by following the immigration laws of that country. They didn't invade that country. Obviously it is your logic which has a flaw.

Regarding kikapu and denizaksulu you have to ask them if they support the invasion and occupation of Cyprus by Turkey. I am sure that Kikapu does not support this, and maybe denizaksulu does not either.

The invader of Cyprus is the Nazi Turkish state, which has the support of the majority of the Turks (like you, but unlike Kikapu).

[Malapapa]

http://www.cyprus-mail.com/cyprus/orams ... d/20100716

vaughanwilliams next?

[wyoming cowboy]

So how is Cyprus related with Kosovo???

Serbs killed Albanians.
south cypriots killed TCs.

As simple as that.[/quote]

Turkey illegally invaded and still occuppies Cyprus, the parallel to Kosovo would be to carve up Turkey and give Western Turkey to
Greece.

[Nikitas]

And eastern Turkey to the Kurds and southeastern Turkey back to Syria.

[vaughanwilliams]

And eastern Turkey to the Kurds and southeastern Turkey back to Syria.

Probably not a bad idea.

[bill cobbett]

Would the wet-dreaming Partitionists get their feet back on the ground please.

Leaving aside such small matters as UN Resolutions, Public Policy of every single UN member state bar one, Invasion, Occupation, Other Peoples' Lands, etc...

...and ask why Turkey didn't submit an opinion?

Piratis answers that... and Tr has never ratified ICJ Judgments as binding, if it did, as P reminds us on a number of occasions over the years, it'll come up against the long overdue Cyprus v Turkey matter at the ICJ.

[insan]

Would the wet-dreaming Partitionists get their feet back on the ground please.

Leaving aside such small matters as UN Resolutions, Public Policy of every single UN member state bar one, Invasion, Occupation, Other Peoples' Lands, etc...

...and ask why Turkey didn't submit an opinion?

Piratis answers that... and Tr has never ratified ICJ Judgments as binding, if it did, as P reminds us on a number of occasions over the years, it'll come up against the long overdue Cyprus v Turkey matter at the ICJ.

Thursday, July 22, 2010
The International Court of Injustice
After much hemming and hawing, the International Court of Justice finally declared today that the "declaration of independence" by the Albanian provisional government in the occupied Serbian province of Kosovo did not violate international law, or UNSCR 1244.

Seriously?

Certainly there is no law against declaring independence. But that doesn't mean "Kosovo" had the right to do so. Under UNSCR 1244, it had to remain a part of Serbia - even if under temporary UN control - pending the outcome of status talks. But there were never any talks - there was just NATO messenger Martti Ahtisaari, declaring that Kosovo ought to become an independent, Albanian state. And Serbia was told to take it or leave it.

Technical details, you'll say. After all, the Albanians are such an overwhelming majority. But you never wonder how they got to be such a majority over the past century. Could it be because they sided with the Austrians, the Nazis, the Communists, and NATO - every time at the expense of the Serbs? Between the murder and expulsion of non-Albanians, and the highest birthrates in Europe (much higher than in the neighboring Albania, and unrelated to the level of education), no wonder the Albanians are a majority today. Yet they claim they have historically been the victims of oppression....

But weren't there Serb atrocities? Genocide, mass ethnic cleansing, tens of thousands killed? In short, no. Lies your friendly NATO spokesman fed you to go along with the program. The KLA was romanticized by the media as this idealistic, young, progressive freedom-fighting movement. KLA hats are New York chic. Surely these people have nothing to do with jihadism, and all the church-burning and throat-slitting and bus-bombing - if you've ever heard of them, to begin with - are just righteous revenge for whatever evils the Serbs must have committed to merit such treatment. But then, what of the Albanian behavior in the 1980s, before any of the alleged Serb atrocities had taken place?

This isn't about democracy. It isn't about liberty. There is no such thing as a "Kosovar" ; it is just a matter of time and convenience before the "independent" Kosovo merges into Greater Albania (or "ethnic Albania," as its advocates claim). Meanwhile, Kosovo still buys most of its power, even most of its bread, from the rest of Serbia. Its "government" is a collection of murderous mobsters; between them, they've killed more Albanians than the Serbs were ever accused of.

Oh sure, the U.S. government, much of the EU and many of their client states elsewhere recognize the "Republic of Kosovo." And I suppose more will jump on the bandwagon now, as the propaganda mill spins the ICJ verdict as "justice". But saying something exists doesn't make it so.

No, dear reader, it really isn't as simple as the mainstream media, the State Department, NATO, and now even the ICJ would have you believe.

I know many of you out there can't be bothered to care about this. What's it to you that some country out there got robbed of a piece of land, along with its dignity? But if fabricating and exaggerating atrocities to attack and occupy a country on behalf of a separatist, terrorist movement, isn't illegal... then what, pray tell, is?

You may not care about it now, because the people being bullied are the Serbs, a people you've been told was OK - nay, necessary even - to hate and despise. But tomorrow, it may happen to you. And then it will be too late.

http://grayfalcon.blogspot.com/2010/07/ ... stice.html


... and Turkey didn't go to ICj ust for the sake of Uncle Sam who exerts much to keep NATO stable especially when it comes to solve the problems between Greece and Turkey...

[bill cobbett]

Germany's Foreign Minister, Westerwelle... says it doesn't apply to CY...

Athens/Nicosia - Germany's foreign minister said Friday that a UN court ruling affirming Kosovo's declaration of independence as legal from Serbia does not apply to the divided Mediterranean island of Cyprus or any other country.
Guido Westerwelle said the ruling by the International Court of Justice on Thursday "has nothing to do with any other cases in the world."
"This is a very specific case and it is a unique decision concerning a specific historic situation," he said.
Cyprus has been been divided since 1974 into an internationally recognised Greek Cypriot south and a breakaway Turkish Cypriot north, after Turkey invaded the northern third of the island in response to a Greek-inspired coup.
The Turkish Cypriot north declared itself an independent state in 1983, but is only recognised by Turkey.
The UN's highest court ruled that Kosovo's declaration of independence from Serbia in February 2008 did not violate international law, rejecting Belgrade's argument that the declaration had no legal basis.
Pristina hopes the outcome will lead to more nations recognising its independence.
Sixty-nine countries have so far recognised Kosovo as independent, including Germany and the United States. Five of the 27 EU member states, including the internationally recognised Greek-Cypriot government and Greece do not.
After nearly two years of UN-led peace talks Greek and Turkish Cypriot leaders have made little progress in finding a solution to reunite the divided island.
Westerwelle said the "German people feel a great understanding towards Cypriots because they too were part of a divided country for many years.
"We will never forget the feeling when the wall came down and we hope that the same will happen to you."
Greek Cypriot voters overwhelmingly rejected a 2004 UN reunification blueprint in a referendum, despite a Turkish referendum approving the plan.
European Union officials have said that progress at the Cyprus reunification talks is essential to helping Turkey's slow-moving EU accession process move forward.
Although the peace talks and Turkey's EU membership negotiations are separate processes, a breakthrough on one is likely to have a positive impact on the other.

The Patitionists and The CarpetShaggers can carry on dreaming.