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[Malapapa]

The world witnessed that we said yes and you people said no, so they are now saying you people are wrong and they will not stand aside and wait for you any longer, so the pressure will be on to help you gcs understand exactly how wrong you are.

TC's can't even speak on behalf of themselves without Turkey's permission. What makes you think you can speak on behalf of the world?

Read what the world is saying, the lastest isthe EU bill for direct trade, which is translated as fuck you GC you will never find a solution we need to move on and keep our promise to ease the isolation of the TCs.

Not sure I would trust the translation abilities of someone who thinks "J-Lo no-show" means "huge PR victory".

[Kikapu]

The world witnessed that we said yes and you people said no, so they are now saying you people are wrong and they will not stand aside and wait for you any longer, so the pressure will be on to help you gcs understand exactly how wrong you are.

TC's can't even speak on behalf of themselves without Turkey's permission. What makes you think you can speak on behalf of the world?

Read what the world is saying, the lastest isthe EU bill for direct trade, which is translated as fuck you GC you will never find a solution we need to move on and keep our promise to ease the isolation of the TCs.

Actually, it translate to "we will open up "free trade" with the "trnc" under EU supervision if Verosa is given back to the GCs and Turkey opens her ports to the RoC", which by itself would mean Turkey recognising the RoC officially (officially no longer recognising the "trnc") before any further chapters can be opened on Turkey's EU talks. The ports in the north need to be under EU supervision for several reasons, one being to maintain control who and what comes and goes, but more importantly, the EU wants to make sure that Turkey does not close her ports to the RoC few weeks after "free trade" opens with the north in thinking, now that "free trade" is now operational that they can once again not recognise the "RoC. Don't think that the EU is just going to accept Turkey's word that she won't close her ports after the fact. With the north's ports under EU's supervision and if Turkey closes her ports again to the RoC, then the whole package deal would become non & void and that everything will be back to what they are today.

What I want to know is, just how will the north benefit from "free trade", since anything the north wants, the north can get through Turkey if not directly from some other countries.? If "free trade" is established under the terms described above, the RoC stands to gain far more than the "trnc", considering the fact that they do not have too much to offer to the EU then as they do now. Can someone explain to me what is it that the "trnc" will gain by "direct trade" under EU's supervision.??

[Me Ed]

It's myth of opening up free trade to open up free trade in the north will ease the isolation of TCs.

Turkey hardly views the TCs as "equal partners" as all of the big multi-million projects annouced in the north, Cratos, the water and electricity piplines are not done in partnership with TCs and will only line the pockets of Turkish nationals by exploiting Cypriot owned assets (both TC and GC).

The resultant Turkish exploitation of the north will make no difference to the TCs percieved isolation.

However, we are not all fooled by the myth of the effect of the embargoes and isolation and its is merely a Turkish ploy to get recognition of the north hoping that if they say it enough times, someone might actualy start believing this BS.

[B25]

Its just another turkish propoganda ploy. Psychologically, in their tiny minds, frre trade would amount to being recognised.

Its all about recognition and once they have they we have rea hed the point of no return.

This is unacceptable, to give them recognition for Varosha. She can bloody well wait their with the rest of the 37%.

[CopperLine]

Look at this map and regret.

Had the vote for the AP been positive then much of what everyone on this forum is haggling over would have been resolved. The whole island would be within the EU, GCs and TCs woiuld have had property-losses addressed, Turkish settlement would have come to an end, the Turkish military would have left, and the territorial 'division' would have been completed (i.e, as of today, Varosha would have been returned over two and a half years ago).

No, the AP was by no means perfect and was open to all sorts of criticism, but better to be vaguely right than precisely wrong.

Any other solution is going to be a variety of AP (or worse). If only we had made the Cyprus problem history.

[B25]

Look at this map and regret.

Had the vote for the AP been positive then much of what everyone on this forum is haggling over would have been resolved. The whole island would be within the EU, GCs and TCs woiuld have had property-losses addressed, Turkish settlement would have come to an end, the Turkish military would have left, and the territorial 'division' would have been completed (i.e, as of today, Varosha would have been returned over two and a half years ago).

No, the AP was by no means perfect and was open to all sorts of criticism, but better to be vaguely right than precisely wrong.

Any other solution is going to be a variety of AP (or worse). If only we had made the Cyprus problem history.

Copper, looks very nice, Turkey has a reputation of not honouring any agreements. Whos to say these things would have happened. No thank you sir, Turkey is not to be trusted one iota.

The teritory was only one aspect of the Ankara Plan, the other bits were not acceptable.

The Ankara Plan was just that, to suit Turkey and the British, well they can stick it, it is dead and buried so why people keep raising it I never know.

Bye Bye AP, may you and the people that wrote you all go and burn in hell.

[CopperLine]

Look at this map and regret.

Had the vote for the AP been positive then much of what everyone on this forum is haggling over would have been resolved. The whole island would be within the EU, GCs and TCs woiuld have had property-losses addressed, Turkish settlement would have come to an end, the Turkish military would have left, and the territorial 'division' would have been completed (i.e, as of today, Varosha would have been returned over two and a half years ago).

No, the AP was by no means perfect and was open to all sorts of criticism, but better to be vaguely right than precisely wrong.

Any other solution is going to be a variety of AP (or worse). If only we had made the Cyprus problem history.

Copper, looks very nice, Turkey has a reputation of not honouring any agreements. Whos to say these things would have happened. No thank you sir, Turkey is not to be trusted one iota.

The teritory was only one aspect of the Ankara Plan, the other bits were not acceptable.

The Ankara Plan was just that, to suit Turkey and the British, well they can stick it, it is dead and buried so why people keep raising it I never know.

Bye Bye AP, may you and the people that wrote you all go and burn in hell.

Seems like you B25 prefer continuing division and promoting more hatred. Pityful, really pityful.

[Viewpoint]

Look at this map and regret.

Had the vote for the AP been positive then much of what everyone on this forum is haggling over would have been resolved. The whole island would be within the EU, GCs and TCs woiuld have had property-losses addressed, Turkish settlement would have come to an end, the Turkish military would have left, and the territorial 'division' would have been completed (i.e, as of today, Varosha would have been returned over two and a half years ago).

No, the AP was by no means perfect and was open to all sorts of criticism, but better to be vaguely right than precisely wrong.

Any other solution is going to be a variety of AP (or worse). If only we had made the Cyprus problem history.

Copper, looks very nice, Turkey has a reputation of not honouring any agreements. Whos to say these things would have happened. No thank you sir, Turkey is not to be trusted one iota.

The teritory was only one aspect of the Ankara Plan, the other bits were not acceptable.

The Ankara Plan was just that, to suit Turkey and the British, well they can stick it, it is dead and buried so why people keep raising it I never know.

Bye Bye AP, may you and the people that wrote you all go and burn in hell.

Do you know that many GCs also conrtibuted to AP5 as it was a revised version of previous plans and new plan with still be a revision call it what you want closing your ryrs to facts and reality will not make them go away.

One day many years from now you will be kicking yourselves having rejected the AP because every time a plan is revised it appears to go against GCs, what will change now. The EU can see first hand your antics and unwillingness to compromise do you think its wins them over? NO. So your continued policies in time will backfire and any new plan will be even tougher especially on the GCs as that is what will be necessary to guarantees TCs are not pushed to one side every again.

[Bananiot]

If Turkey is what B25 claims to be then we are up against it, finished, capout! However, it is very amusing to read that the reason we did not vote for solution back in 2004 was because Turkey would not honour her signature. This means of course that we are wasting our time having talks with them and that we should just accept our fate. This trainee magician is of the bash patriotic type too!

[Viewpoint]

Kikapu

Actually, it translate to "we will open up "free trade" with the "trnc" under EU supervision if Verosa is given back to the GCs and Turkey opens her ports to the RoC", which by itself would mean Turkey recognising the RoC officially (officially no longer recognising the "trnc") before any further chapters can be opened on Turkey's EU talks.

Kindly provide independent evidence to this effect, even if Turkey opened up her ports it will be conditionally.

The ports in the north need to be under EU supervision for several reasons, one being to maintain control who and what comes and goes, but more importantly, the EU wants to make sure that Turkey does not close her ports to the RoC few weeks after "free trade" opens with the north in thinking, now that "free trade" is now operational that they can once again not recognise the "RoC. Don't think that the EU is just going to accept Turkey's word that she won't close her ports after the fact. With the north's ports under EU's supervision and if Turkey closes her ports again to the RoC, then the whole package deal would become non & void and that everything will be back to what they are today.

Why do you need EU supervision to reverse the recognizing of Famagusta port? If Turkey backs out Famagusta can be "closed" by the "RoC". The supervision crap is just a round about way of allowing the GCs to take control, sorry aint gonna happen. Plus if Ercan is not open to direct flights then forget Maraş no deal noway they are one package.

What I want to know is, just how will the north benefit from "free trade", since anything the north wants, the north can get through Turkey if not directly from some other countries.? If "free trade" is established under the terms described above, the RoC stands to gain far more than the "trnc", considering the fact that they do not have too much to offer to the EU then as they do now. Can someone explain to me what is it that the "trnc" will gain by "direct trade" under EU's supervision.??

This is one of the dumbest questions you have ever asked, what does the south benefit from having recognized sea and air ports? Why do other countries have recognized sea and airports?