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[Malapapa]

Sure, we know that. But why did they want that, do you think? Rather than, say, an independent island? What drove them in that direction, do you think?

WHy dont you tell us all Im sure you have something very original and revealing to contribute.

Hardly original or revealing. Fairly obvious, really, when you think about it. Think about it.

Enosis was the cause of all this mess,

What caused the cause of enosis, though?

[Viewpoint]

Sure, we know that. But why did they want that, do you think? Rather than, say, an independent island? What drove them in that direction, do you think?

WHy dont you tell us all Im sure you have something very original and revealing to contribute.

Hardly original or revealing. Fairly obvious, really, when you think about it. Think about it.

Enosis was the cause of all this mess,

What caused the cause of enosis, though?

Stupid GCs.

[Malapapa]

Sure, we know that. But why did they want that, do you think? Rather than, say, an independent island? What drove them in that direction, do you think?

WHy dont you tell us all Im sure you have something very original and revealing to contribute.

Hardly original or revealing. Fairly obvious, really, when you think about it. Think about it.

Enosis was the cause of all this mess,

What caused the cause of enosis, though?

Stupid GCs.

You're being unfair. What made them want to be part of a bigger, stronger grouping do you think?

[Viewpoint]

Sure, we know that. But why did they want that, do you think? Rather than, say, an independent island? What drove them in that direction, do you think?

WHy dont you tell us all Im sure you have something very original and revealing to contribute.

Hardly original or revealing. Fairly obvious, really, when you think about it. Think about it.

Enosis was the cause of all this mess,

What caused the cause of enosis, though?

Stupid GCs.

You're being unfair. What made them want to be part of a bigger, stronger grouping do you think?

As i said stupidity.

[Gasman]

The world never owed Cyprus anything.

Blimey - I never thought I'd read anything like that on here!

[insan]

Sure, we know that. But why did they want that, do you think? Rather than, say, an independent island? What drove them in that direction, do you think?

WHy dont you tell us all Im sure you have something very original and revealing to contribute.

Hardly original or revealing. Fairly obvious, really, when you think about it. Think about it.

Enosis was the cause of all this mess, you decided to give away our country and sign our death warrant, well we werent going to just sit about and accept it, we fought for survival.

Dam right!

You are forgeting that TCs had Enosis with Ottoman empire before the British rule... with a little bit of empathy you could feel the same as how GCs felt themselves under foreign rulers... Had they succeded materializing Enosis in the 50s; the Greek-GC duo would have become the primary actor from Balkans to middle east for the western world...

This is only one side of the medalion... the fate of TCs would have been no different than the Turks living on Greek territories maybe worse because Greek-GC duo(i mean ruling elites) would have become the spoilt child of the Western World by abusing it's advantegous position...

What about the Aegean problem and ex-Greek territories in Turkey? Now it's "your" turn to show some empathy if you have of course...

[miltiades]

taksim

Which came first enosis or taksim?...one was in reaction to the other.

What was enosis in reaction to, do you think?

Enlighten us all Mala we need a good laugh.

I bet you do, following the disastrous J-Lo debacle. But I asked you the question, as you blame enosis. So what do you blame enosis on?

The greed of Gcs to gift Cyprus to Greece and realize their dream that Cyprus is a Greek island.

VP , in all honesty can you tell us what your feelings would be if 82% of the Cypriot people wanted ENOSIS with Turkey.

[wyoming cowboy]

So, who is to blame?

Is it the diaspora that elects the most stupid third world tin pot leaders year after year, from Makarios, to Kyprianou, to Vasileiou, to Clerides, to Papadopoulos and now Christofias?

Is it the diaspora that tried to play the Eastern Block up against NATO and allies during the Cold War?

Is the diaspora to blame for raving lunatics such as Sampson et al.

Did the diaspora have grand delusions of Soviet Intervention thinking that they will somehow risk a nuclear holocaust to save our sorry and pathetic arses?

If anyone has the audacity to speak about US/UK, NATO imperialism, then do so by remembering that during the Cold War, Soviet 'imperialism' was just as bad, and even far worse. Two titans were engaged in a massive war of nerves, which thankfully did not result in guaranteed mutual destruction and the destruction of mankind as we know it today.

Just like Newton's Law, for every reaction, there is an equal and opposite reaction. After independence in 1960, Makarios became a little too big for his miserable boots and thought that it was OK to mess with those 'imperialist forces' by parlaying with other 'imperialist forces' which did not have a strong foothold within NATO's sphere of influence within the Mediterranean Sea. What a fuckwit!!!!

Yes people! Makarios was a pathetic stupid imbecile, who is responsible for the calamity Cyprus now faces, just like many people after the dimwit. His actions, were responsible for these 'imperialist' forces to formulate their plan for the destruction of Cyprus and its people, and the Junta in Greece were the pawns that set in motion a chain of events in order to achieve partition and double union with Greece and Turkey, 2 NATO allies which were already under the "imperialist's" control. What did you fucking dimwits expect????

So who is to blame? Is it the Diaspora?

Or is it every single dimwit Cypriot in Cyprus who elected a fucking priest as President, who then became known as the Mediterranean's Fidel Gastro, or the 'Red Priest' or was it the other fucking traitors such as Sampson and co who conspired against the Government? You must be deluded to believe that one party is exclusively at fault when in reality ALL parties share the blame for fucking Cyprus up!

And those that want to take little cheap shots against those 'imperialist' nations, only provide the masses with hysterical laughter and amusement. Those very 'imperialist' nations have not fucked up their own country, and will confront any adversity as a United country which will pull together to overcome their darkest hour, just like they have done in the past. Cypriots don't have the intelligence, the vision, the nerve, or the discipline.

So let's talk about International Law! It is not fair what happened to Cyprus in 1974. Of course it's not fair. It was down right cruel. And yes, those "imperialist' nations are responsible because they had a Cold War to fight against another 'imperialist' and even nastier and more vindictive world power, the Soviet Union.

So whilst these 2 opposing 'imperialist' forces were programming their ICBMs to target cities around the world, and whilst their nuclear Submarine Fleets were navigating the world's oceans waiting for their orders to kill millions of civilians and possible destroying mankind for good, Cyprus thought it was fit to mess with this Balance of Power in the Mediterranean! Well done dick heads. Very smart move!!!!

But of course its not fair what happened to us. It is also not fair when an ICBM is launched against New York, Chicago, Los Angeles, Washington or Sydney. And neither is it fair on the millions of men, women and children if an ICBM was launched against Moscow.

But we, a nation of 600,000 thought that the Soviet Union will send in its naval fleet. We are still waiting 36 years later.

You can blame whoever you like, and cry foul by quoting any International Law in the book. But at least recognise the fact that OUR leaders were the biggest fuckwits to grace the island of Cyprus, and the islanders voted the imbeciles in and support them to this day. WHY? Because you are FUCKWITS!

The world is not a fair place. Life does not always treat us fair. But the way Cypriots and their elected leaders behaved in the last 50 years has led us to where we are today. And every Cypriot shares this responsibility and has a duty to correct past wrongs and finally get a good grip of reality. The world never owed Cyprus anything. International Law is followed and ignored as it best suits the powerful, and so it is important to play our bad hand of cards the best way we can and not chuck spastic immature tantrums against those that want to control the world and its resources. Yes, the West is selfish. Mankind is also selfish. The Iraq war may not be right. The ulterior motive is to ensure that the OIL flows freely to feed our insatiable appetite for the stuff and keep our economies ticking over. Should the 'imperialist' economies fall over, then you can say good bye to Greece for starters.

So Get Real! Get a grip sunshine!

You are the biggest wanker that ever graced this forum!

Amen Amen ...How many times did the Americans give us a way out, first in 67, then in 71 then in early 74, we could never get it through our heads that we arent the center of the universe but rather a mole on the ass of Jesus(Mohammed) whoever you believe in......Makarios' response to Kissinger requesting a meeting at Dhekelia Air Base, was that he had no time tht was in the beginning of 74....Kennedy asked Makarios for American Bases and to join Nato, Makarios insisted on the nonaligned, because the AKEL party chief Papaioannou had Makarios by the archidia....In 73 Denktash agreed to the 13 points only if Makarios reiterated that he would not seek Enosis, Makarios declined.. No wonder they buried him on the hight=est point of Cyprus, who ever wanted to go shit on his grave would be too lazy to climb up there........

[Malapapa]

Sure, we know that. But why did they want that, do you think? Rather than, say, an independent island? What drove them in that direction, do you think?

WHy dont you tell us all Im sure you have something very original and revealing to contribute.

Hardly original or revealing. Fairly obvious, really, when you think about it. Think about it.

Enosis was the cause of all this mess,

What caused the cause of enosis, though?

Stupid GCs.

You're being unfair. What made them want to be part of a bigger, stronger grouping do you think?

As i said stupidity.

Hardly. But I forgot. You think all Cypriots are just stupid; including yourself. And you'd certainly be right there.

[Viewpoint]

Sure, we know that. But why did they want that, do you think? Rather than, say, an independent island? What drove them in that direction, do you think?

WHy dont you tell us all Im sure you have something very original and revealing to contribute.

Hardly original or revealing. Fairly obvious, really, when you think about it. Think about it.

Enosis was the cause of all this mess,

What caused the cause of enosis, though?

Stupid GCs.

You're being unfair. What made them want to be part of a bigger, stronger grouping do you think?

As i said stupidity.

Hardly. But I forgot. You think all Cypriots are just stupid; including yourself. And you'd certainly be right there.

The GC enosis stupidity was the cause of all stupidity.