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[Viewpoint]

B25 so its that easy a singer sings a few songs and hey presto recognition whos paranoid now?

[humanist]

VP

We are not against unification but we need to know exactly the structure and risks involved before deciding to commit, it these guidelines we are unable to agree because ghe chasm is just to wide we want to share you guys want to dominate.

Well from where we sit your leadership is very clear abut what it wants. Your leader has repeatedly stated that he wants a confederation because there are two distinct people on the Island who share different religions and languages. When you agree to unification you will see that the structure will be there to support the safety of any minority group similar to that of any other EU country. Unification by definition means just that. Unify in exports, imports, sports and entertainment to name a few domains. Here we have a case of a suggestion put forth about giving legal status to the Port and you knock it on the head. As Turkey is finding it difficult to continue to support the 'trnc' so will the RoC one day say no more crossing over for work not when we are giving you opportunities to actually make a buck through rebuilding of a whole City.

VP

B25 so its that easy a singer sings a few songs and hey presto recognition whos paranoid now?

VP that is it we are essentially two opposing sides. We will ensure that no recognition and no rewards are given to a regime that violates human rights. As a collective and individuals we will do what you do. As long as you deny us the right of access to our Country we will do what we can to ensure that consequences are dealt with appropriately. The world needs to know that people in Cyprus are denied their homes and have been for 35 years. If your community wants concerts and to play football then you need to accept that you will have to go through normal channels afforded to this Country by being a member of the international community obeying International law.

[vaughanwilliams]

vaughn

Your suspicions are unfounded.
I'd love to see a deal struck between the two sides that would put both GCs and TCs on an equal footing and allowed both sides to progress. My suspicion is that within 5 to 10 years the GCs would have gained the upper hand, overtly and covertly, to the TCs disadvantage.
One major stumbling block would be the amount of public sector money that would need to be spent in TRNC to bring it, as quickly as possible, up to the same standard as RoC. Turkey can't and won't spend that money and it will fall to RoC and the EU to fund it. This will more than likely be seen by many GCs as "rewarding" the TCs for "deliberately" allowing their country to fall into disrepair, only to be bailed out by RoC taxpayers.

I take your point about my suspicion, best to check things out.

Equal footing is a strange term I think. The issue with the Cypro is that Cypriots make the distinction between Turkish and / or Greek because if they truly unite under Cypriot banner then no one would have the uperhand. Because a Cyriot president will represent all Cypriots. This concept must be goten first before they resolve it.

I do not believe that in 2010 the average GC actually gives a hoot about language etc they are only interested in either making more money or making ends meet, they are used to multiculturalism, due to Indian and Shri Lankan migration. I think TC's will be accepted in the mainstream in-fact I think they may even be seen as a step higher class to a Sri Lanka worker for example, social structure all that sociological stuff.

Power is always a struggle I know unfortunately that's numbers .... what do you do , other than develop policies and laws to ensure the protection of minority groups in any society. Bearing in mind that here is unity in spirit as well as in a solution.

You are correct about the money to bring 'trnc' in line with the RoC, and yes there will be those who will say just as you described. However, Britain fortunately owes a lot of rent that can fund it. Then again that's half the problem because of al that rent Britain does not want a solution catch 22.

I also believe that this is the time to resolve it, whilst Christofias is in power because I genuinely believe he loves this Country and truly wants to see it unified. I believe he has the capability to calm the masses and that provides more safety for the TC community, that by far outnumbered by everyone, no doubt about that. And also because as you rightly pointed out Turkey does not have the resources to fix the 'trnc' but in a way its a good thing. I visited the occupied area for the first time in 2007 and drove to my birth village and Apostolos Andreas, where I was baptised and not remembered. I loved how natural it looked and more earthy (I digress sorry). Turkey is also in a bind in that it wants something desperately (reffering to EU membership) but can't have it based on a commitments made 35 years ago. But not much is changing in any direction. I do believe unification and integration to one society is the the only positive way up. Which is inevitably going to happen with one Europe with no borders someone's dream.... another time someone elses reality.

...but not as high a class as a GC?
Whoops!

Bit of a "Freudian" slip there?

[humanist]

I think in all multicultural societies there are some people who emphasize on class systems of a kind, Cyprus is no different to that.

[vaughanwilliams]

I think in all multicultural societies there are some people who emphasize on class systems of a kind, Cyprus is no different to that.

Riiiight!
So making TCs, at best, 2nd class citizens is OK then?

[humanist]

that is not what I am saying, I think the discussion needs to finsih because I do not want to be misinterpreted thank you

[vaughanwilliams]

that is not what I am saying, I think the discussion needs to finsih because I do not want to be misinterpreted thank you

That's a pity because I thought we were starting to get somewhere.
The last thing I would want to do is misinterpret what you write.
Maybe it's the use of the word "class" which means a lot more perhaps to Brits than it may to others.
However, I don't think TCs would thank you for thinking of them on a par with 3rd world immigrant labourers.

[Acikgoz]

No one is more superior, so no issue of being on a par with an immigrant worker from a 1st, 2nd or 3rd world.

The insulting thing is looking through the eyes of humanist and observing his class filing system and its relevance as to people's acceptance.

[Viewpoint]

that is not what I am saying, I think the discussion needs to finsih because I do not want to be misinterpreted thank you

That's a pity because I thought we were starting to get somewhere.
The last thing I would want to do is misinterpret what you write.
Maybe it's the use of the word "class" which means a lot more perhaps to Brits than it may to others.
However, I don't think TCs would thank you for thinking of them on a par with 3rd world immigrant labourers.

Typical GC move when they are cornered they run away, humanist just revealed how the majority of Gcs really think but they prefer to hide their true feelings, which are the most dangerous type of unionists.

[Nikitas]

"So making TCs, at best, 2nd class citizens is OK then?"

is this not the idea behind BBF? That the "other" community will be second class citizens as soon as they cross the line? GCs will not have the same rights as TCs or even third country nationals in the north, and vice versa.

The behavior of the two sides so far, on this point, burdens the TC side more than the GCs. ALL OTHER communities of Cyprus have been placed under a blanket exclusion from the north. What argument did the TCs have with the Latin community, the Maronites or the Armenians" None, yet they are all excluded from the north. Obviously the GC hostility was a good excuse to establish a Turks only area with a few tourists for financial reasons.

The first community in CYprus to suffer mass ethnic expulsion were the Armenians of Nicosia who were expelled at gunpoint from their homes in February 1964. The only community that has imposed a racist rule were the TCs with their 'From Turk to Turk" campaign and the tactic is still valid and in daily use.

Sure the TCs have legitimate grievances, but no one is entirely innocent in this story.