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[Nikitas]

Wimpey were the consulting engineers, I did not say they were they were bigger than all others.

By the way, J&P figure prominently in many public works in Greece.

[humanist]

vaughn

Your suspicions are unfounded.
I'd love to see a deal struck between the two sides that would put both GCs and TCs on an equal footing and allowed both sides to progress. My suspicion is that within 5 to 10 years the GCs would have gained the upper hand, overtly and covertly, to the TCs disadvantage.
One major stumbling block would be the amount of public sector money that would need to be spent in TRNC to bring it, as quickly as possible, up to the same standard as RoC. Turkey can't and won't spend that money and it will fall to RoC and the EU to fund it. This will more than likely be seen by many GCs as "rewarding" the TCs for "deliberately" allowing their country to fall into disrepair, only to be bailed out by RoC taxpayers.

I take your point about my suspicion, best to check things out.

Equal footing is a strange term I think. The issue with the Cypro is that Cypriots make the distinction between Turkish and / or Greek because if they truly unite under Cypriot banner then no one would have the uperhand. Because a Cyriot president will represent all Cypriots. This concept must be goten first before they resolve it.

I do not believe that in 2010 the average GC actually gives a hoot about language etc they are only interested in either making more money or making ends meet, they are used to multiculturalism, due to Indian and Shri Lankan migration. I think TC's will be accepted in the mainstream in-fact I think they may even be seen as a step higher class to a Sri Lanka worker for example, social structure all that sociological stuff.

Power is always a struggle I know unfortunately that's numbers .... what do you do , other than develop policies and laws to ensure the protection of minority groups in any society. Bearing in mind that here is unity in spirit as well as in a solution.

You are correct about the money to bring 'trnc' in line with the RoC, and yes there will be those who will say just as you described. However, Britain fortunately owes a lot of rent that can fund it. Then again that's half the problem because of al that rent Britain does not want a solution catch 22.

I also believe that this is the time to resolve it, whilst Christofias is in power because I genuinely believe he loves this Country and truly wants to see it unified. I believe he has the capability to calm the masses and that provides more safety for the TC community, that by far outnumbered by everyone, no doubt about that. And also because as you rightly pointed out Turkey does not have the resources to fix the 'trnc' but in a way its a good thing. I visited the occupied area for the first time in 2007 and drove to my birth village and Apostolos Andreas, where I was baptised and not remembered. I loved how natural it looked and more earthy (I digress sorry). Turkey is also in a bind in that it wants something desperately (reffering to EU membership) but can't have it based on a commitments made 35 years ago. But not much is changing in any direction. I do believe unification and integration to one society is the the only positive way up. Which is inevitably going to happen with one Europe with no borders someone's dream.... another time someone elses reality.

[Viewpoint]

So what people are saying is that contracts and shipping matters can be manipulated to a degree where TCs will be left out in the cold now with our past experiencies on how revenge seeking the gcs really are who in their right mind would expose themselves to that degree without having concrete benefits such as direct flights prior to agreeing the handing over of maras?

[Nikitas]

"contracts and shipping matters can be manipulated to a degree where TCs will be left out in the cold "

to do that VP, would add a pile of money to the cost rebuilding homes in Famagusta. Do you think the average GC, (you know, the ones that forget patriotism and play at the casinos in the north), will give a damn to the extent that they will be willing to pay more inorder to manipulate the situation? Sometimes you come across as a total stranger to Cypriot ways of doing things.

You know, you can provide guarantees for some things, but for the most part life is a series of risks. No risk, no gain.

[Viewpoint]

İd rather not risk it its because i know the gc mindset so well eg cancelling a few hours concert that they would probably subsidize events so as to have as little benefit to the north as possible. İf there is a loophole the gcs will exploit it to our detrement.

[humanist]

VP with all do respect you sound extremely paranoid lol ... to reiterate again the Lopez thing was individuals in diaspora and Cyprus that rallied behind the petition and it worked. The issue there was to raise awareness that in 2010 there are violations to human Rights. Perpetrated upon GC's by the Turkish military regime and the TC's who support them.

If you want fair then you need to allow for other minorities to have equal representation as the TC community.

[Viewpoint]

VP with all do respect you sound extremely paranoid lol ... to reiterate again the Lopez thing was individuals in diaspora and Cyprus that rallied behind the petition and it worked. The issue there was to raise awareness that in 2010 there are violations to human Rights. Perpetrated upon GC's by the Turkish military regime and the TC's who support them.

If you want fair then you need to allow for other minorities to have equal representation as the TC community.

i used that example to reiterate the gc fanatical mentality that will even oppose a few hours of singing in the north let alone anything major that will benefit the economy of the north.

[humanist]

But that's just it you will not allow us our homes we dnot allow you other things.... its is time for unification because everyone will benefit.

[B25]

VP with all do respect you sound extremely paranoid lol ... to reiterate again the Lopez thing was individuals in diaspora and Cyprus that rallied behind the petition and it worked. The issue there was to raise awareness that in 2010 there are violations to human Rights. Perpetrated upon GC's by the Turkish military regime and the TC's who support them.

If you want fair then you need to allow for other minorities to have equal representation as the TC community.

i used that example to reiterate the gc fanatical mentality that will even oppose a few hours of singing in the north let alone anything major that will benefit the economy of the north.

You know and we all know its not a few hours of singing at all. It is what it would have represented what you were after. You were trying to get the spot light from the world on the pseudo state and being legitimate and thats the point.

Why not put on a friggin CD is you just wanted singing.

You must think we were born yesterday.

[Viewpoint]

We are not against unification but we need to know exactly the structure and risks involved before deciding to commit, it these guidelines we are unable to agree because ghe chasm is just to wide we want to share you guys want to dominate.