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[Kikapu]

If Turkey can also bring down the cost of living as well theres no problem and its about time the public sector was revised and made to function properly they have gotten away with to much for to long.

Have you been to Turkey lately. Your average Turk is having a hard time getting by because most things are expensive in Turkey, and you are expecting for Turkey to bring down the cost of living in the north. I don't think so. You can expect the costs to go up even more, but not less.!

Yes I was there last week, food, clothing and other essentials are very cheap in comparison to the TRNC thats why wages are noteably higher, purchasing power is much higher in Turkey.

I said the cost of living to the average Turk living in Turkey and not to a tourist like you with money in his pocket to spend, money coming largely from Turkey itself. Have you compared your income to the average Turk's in Turkey to make the statement that things are cheaper in Turkey.?? Sure fresh food and domestically produced clothing are manageable for many Turks, but what about all the slightly fancier products and imports, including petrol, which has to be worlds most expensive petrol, specially when the average Turk makes about $6,000 US Dollars a year.! Not many Turks have very much disposable income left to even come to the "trnc" for a holiday.

You claim you have lived in Turkey so stop playing silly buggers, the cost of living in Turkey is much lower therefore the buying power of their lower wages is greater, its called economics. So when you compare the equivalent person in the TRNC who get s a higher wage you have to allow for these very important differencies to appreciate why our wages are noticably higher.

It's all relative. That's what I'm taking about. Relatively speaking, the Turk's cost of living is much higher than compared to other European countries or the "trnc" when you compare the income levels from each places. Most decent hotels in Turkey costs are similar to what you are expected to pay in the west, but the west's average income is 5-10 times higher than those in Turkey, for example. Sure everything seems cheap for the foreigners visiting Turkey, even for you going from the north, but it is not so cheap for those Turks living in Turkey. If it were, they would have disposable income left to come to the "trnc" for a holiday.. They can't even afford that.!

But you have a even bigger problem than the Turks and their cost of living in Turkey. The cost of living in the north will go up more, relatively speaking to the Turks, once Turkey cuts the income the north has been enjoying at the expense of the Turks. The reason being, you have the GCs with money in their pockets coming to the north, the north's businesses are going to charge everyone the costs relative to the income based on the highest earners community on the island and the tourists coming from the west. basically speaking, the average TCs and settlers living in the north will be far worse off that those Turks in Turkey once the incomes in the north are reduced. if you think it is expensive in the north now, wait until it become even more expensive on the reasons I gave above.!

[Kikapu]

Maraş should be reopened allowing previous owners to return but it should be done under the control of the TRNC otherwise if the reins are placed in the hands ofthe gcs we will be pushed to one side yet again.

Sure, VP, let the GCs rebuild Verosa while it's under the "trnc" rule, so that when it's all brand new again, you can kick the GCs out once again so that you can sell their brand new buildings to the morally corrupted.!

Noway that wouldnt happen in the EU, arent you the one who claims that such risks would never come about in the EU...tut tut, your falling into your own traps.

"trnc" is not in the EU and never will be. That's the whole point.!

Make up your mind you change like the wind as it suits you, would Maraş be in the EU or not?

Not if it's under the present rule of the "trnc" and under occupation by Turkey. Have you not heard about "Protocol 10". If the "trnc" was in the EU, why are there check points with the RoC and why are the Cypriots not allowed to exercise their 3 F's in the north afforded to all EU citizens withing the EU under the EU Principles.?

So the EU norms are suspended for the north which is called the TRNC, why not use this opportunity to impose areas of EU law that would eleviate the concerns of returning GCs and investors to Maraş which in turn would allow us and the world to witness if TCs and GCs can actually live work and prosper together, if successful it could work as a catalyst for the rest of the island.

Because you can't be trusted, since you still have your Taksim Dreams, which your leaders are not hiding it. Only areas under EU norms can be trusted that it will remain that way. Only a fool would pour billions of Dollars into rebuild a city to be claimed by an illegal authority who only answers to the occupying power from Turkey.!

[humanist]

VP

Handed back to the GCs dont you think they can if they want work together in order to keep TC companies out? this is a possibility we know all to well and if desired can be manipulated to leave the TCs out in the cold once again. I think it would be better for all concerned if firstly the GC refugees were allowed back to their home to rebuild the city but it should be done under the control of the TRNC.

We are not saying hand it back to GC's we are clearly saying hand it back to the UN. I seriously don't think any GC would give a shit if TC companies entered into the rebuilding of the city. If TC companies are strong enough to put in a tender then they will participate in the process. If you don't think that the TC companies are strong enough to compete then I suggest they do something to lift themselves up to the game.

the 'trnc' for us is nothing but a Turkish military operation and therefore any control of the 'trnc' will not be accepted. And this is my opinion I by no means represent the whole GC community. Put it to a vote and see what you get.

Return Famagusta under UN control and supervision or rebuild under control of 'trnc' ..... which by the way the city isn't under trnc control now.[/quote]

[cymart]

Varosha is not under the control of the T.C's and even the Turkish Cypriot mayor admitted this to me!If it was,then it would not have been allowed to deteriorate into is present condition and would probably have been back in operation years ago with the G.C's running it in co-operation with the T.C's! or maybe even handed back to them under U.N. control etc...

[Viewpoint]

We have gathered with Kikapu that my offer is no go and would be rejected funny that a so called TC deciding for GCs. As for TC companies stepping upto the plate which is not a problem, the problem would be your adminisration applying pressure on GCs not to employ TC companies. Please dont say it would never happen for us theres a risk we would never take.

[vaughanwilliams]

We have gathered with Kikapu that my offer is no go and would be rejected funny that a so called TC deciding for GCs. As for TC companies stepping upto the plate which is not a problem, the problem would be your adminisration applying pressure on GCs not to employ TC companies. Please dont say it would never happen for us theres a risk we would never take.

It's my understanding that TC companies can't even advertise in GC newspapers at the moment, so what chance would they get of promoting themselves in the future?

[Nikitas]

VP has told us hundreds of times that there is no way the TCs will accept to live under GC control, not even in partnership without outside guarantees. But note how the same VP is proposing the 45000 Famagustians should put doubts aside and live uner TC control in their own city. The GCs are not allowed by VP to even ask for UN guarantees. Naturally these 45000 people will presumably not be able to vote for the TC mayor and local council. This is how VP perceives democracy and freedom. From this we can see the true person.

As for TC companies not being able to advertise in GC newspapers, can we have some proof of that? Are there any TC websites, the establishment of which is totally free of any GC influence, advertising to GCs? I have not seen any, and probably this shows that the remnants of the "Turk to Turk" policy started by Denktash in the 50s are still at work.

Of course there is the possibility that advertising for casinos was rejected, which is natural when casinos are illegal in the south.

[Viewpoint]

Nikitas

VP has told us hundreds of times that there is no way the TCs will accept to live under GC control, not even in partnership without outside guarantees. But note how the same VP is proposing the 45000 Famagustians should put doubts aside and live uner TC control in their own city. The GCs are not allowed by VP to even ask for UN guarantees. Naturally these 45000 people will presumably not be able to vote for the TC mayor and local council. This is how VP perceives democracy and freedom. From this we can see the true person.

Yet this is what you are trying to force on me, this shows clearly your double standards and devious motives, its fine if under GC control but not TC, can you please explain why?

As for TC companies not being able to advertise in GC newspapers, can we have some proof of that? Are there any TC websites, the establishment of which is totally free of any GC influence, advertising to GCs? I have not seen any, and probably this shows that the remnants of the "Turk to Turk" policy started by Denktash in the 50s are still at work.

Of course there is the possibility that advertising for casinos was rejected, which is natural when casinos are illegal in the south.

TCs companies are not allowed ot advertise in the south in fact trade over the green line is manipulated so that GC consumers are not aware the products are from the TRNC and trade is minimal as business fear repraisals from their own adminstartion in the form of tax pressure and threats.

[Nikitas]

VP you are in dreamland. What tax pressure is put on those that cross over and gamble? None at all.

There are dozens of references to shopping in the north in every edition of GC newspapers. Only last Sunday Mikellides was writing praising his shopping experience in the north. No one threatened him. He goes there he says even to have his hair cut by an Instanbul Turk. No one pays attention.

ANd like I told you before Athens supermarkets are right now selling CYprus potatoes, which are in part from the north. They somehow find their way here via Limassol and Larnaca, obviously, and no one has tax reprisals or threats.

Wake up.

[Viewpoint]

VP you are in dreamland. What tax pressure is put on those that cross over and gamble? None at all.

There are dozens of references to shopping in the north in every edition of GC newspapers. Only last Sunday Mikellides was writing praising his shopping experience in the north. No one threatened him. He goes there he says even to have his hair cut by an Instanbul Turk. No one pays attention.

ANd like I told you before Athens supermarkets are right now selling CYprus potatoes, which are in part from the north. They somehow find their way here via Limassol and Larnaca, obviously, and no one has tax reprisals or threats.

Wake up.

Do you know any GC businessmen who have been threatened by your tax office for doing buisness with the North?

Do you know we spend more in the south than you do in the North?

Do you know that the majority of casinos are owned by Turkish Businessmen and that there is no direct benefit to the North?