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Postby CopperLine » Mon Jul 19, 2010 6:38 pm

Nikitas wrote:So the port is open. The GC side would like a package deal where a third party takes over the administration of the port, and hence opens it to legalised international traffic, and at the same time the closed city is open to its inhabitants.

Regardless of the acceptability of this proposal, the opening of the city would give the economy of the WHOLE island a boost of historic proportions. The surprising thing is not that the Turkish army will not let go the city, but the silence of TCs, the potential major beneficiaries of the rebuild.

It takes a special mindset to prefer the continued decay of an unused asset rather than the riches its use would bring. And we are not mentioning the tremendous gain of goodwill that such a move would bring about.

Now I am trying to think of the last time the economy of the island received a direct 10 billion dollar boost. Economist friends say that each dollar injected directly into an economy has a tenfold diffusion effect. The calculation is intriguing at a time when both sides are holding emergency economic policy meetings.



Look, with all these things one can either settle matters case by case or one can insist on a comprehensive settlement. Broadly speaking the ultrasand extremists on both sides either are simple rejectionists or pretend to want a comprehensive settlement. Those who really want a settlement are typically more prepared to consider piece by piece, step by step, negotiations. Equally typically, those who suggest that, for example, Varosha be negotiated for, say, international opening of northern air/ports are immediately denounced by ultras/extremists from their 'own' side.
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Postby Acikgoz » Mon Jul 19, 2010 6:55 pm

Unfortunately the position of the GC policy in such an event is far from progressive:

“For this reason, Turkey can have a motive to cooperate for the implementation of those proposals and thus give a strong impetus to its EU accession course and to the achievement of a solution in Cyprus”, he pointed out.

Stephanou added that this proposal can give Turkish Cypriots the possibility to enhance their relations with the EU and give the Union a motive to act to the benefit of the Turkish Cypriot community.

Asked about the EU proposed direct trade regulation of the EU countries with the Turkish Cypriot community, Stephanou stressed that the regulation is not based on a correct legal or political basis.


The EU issue is effectively closed given EU's 2 main countries are not keen on the idea. Without direct trade for the north there is no chance the French will remove their objection to opening their list of chapters.
Direct trade which also implies the opening of Ercan is a no go.

What enhanced relations between TCs and EU that have any significance? Look at the EU contact group, and its lack of effect or commitment to the plight of TCs supposedly EU members. What benefit could be forthcoming from the EU within this context? We listened to the EU before, they promised direct trade but came back with nothing.

I am looking for an opening for a win win but really didn't see one in the press statement, did you?
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Postby Viewpoint » Mon Jul 19, 2010 7:58 pm

Nikitas wrote:Original ideas are those worked out by Cypriots for themselves. Rebuilding Famagusta is an original idea which would go a long way towards making the TC community financially independent of Turkey. Instead of seeing this side of the particular case, we are talking bazaar stuff, like "what will you give me for Famagusta". If that is the way to do it, then it would be fair to say have X thing for Famagusta and no more. All civil engineering contracts and construction then go to GC and Greek companies and partition is given another major boost.

Cypriot thinking at its best.


Why arent GCs promoting this idea and clarifying exactly how handing Maraş back would benefit everyone. How can you hand it back to the GCs then beg that they share the work that will go into rebuilding it?
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Postby bill cobbett » Mon Jul 19, 2010 8:19 pm

Viewpoint wrote:
Nikitas wrote:Original ideas are those worked out by Cypriots for themselves. Rebuilding Famagusta is an original idea which would go a long way towards making the TC community financially independent of Turkey. Instead of seeing this side of the particular case, we are talking bazaar stuff, like "what will you give me for Famagusta". If that is the way to do it, then it would be fair to say have X thing for Famagusta and no more. All civil engineering contracts and construction then go to GC and Greek companies and partition is given another major boost.

Cypriot thinking at its best.


Why arent GCs promoting this idea and clarifying exactly how handing Maraş back would benefit everyone. How can you hand it back to the GCs then beg that they share the work that will go into rebuilding it?


Really VP!... While we await N to come back on that...

Just one thing immediately springs to mind. Tell us please, where is the nearest deep-water port to Varosi? ... and who would benefit from the huge, huge amount of building and other materials shipped in and out of it to rebuild Varosi????

Here's a LINK for you by way of a clue... http://www.cypnet.co.uk/ncyprus/city/fa ... index.html

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Postby Viewpoint » Mon Jul 19, 2010 8:21 pm

bill cobbett wrote:
Viewpoint wrote:
Nikitas wrote:Original ideas are those worked out by Cypriots for themselves. Rebuilding Famagusta is an original idea which would go a long way towards making the TC community financially independent of Turkey. Instead of seeing this side of the particular case, we are talking bazaar stuff, like "what will you give me for Famagusta". If that is the way to do it, then it would be fair to say have X thing for Famagusta and no more. All civil engineering contracts and construction then go to GC and Greek companies and partition is given another major boost.

Cypriot thinking at its best.


Why arent GCs promoting this idea and clarifying exactly how handing Maraş back would benefit everyone. How can you hand it back to the GCs then beg that they share the work that will go into rebuilding it?


Really VP!... While we await N to come back on that...

Just one thing immediately springs to mind. Tell us please, where is the nearest deep-water port to Varosi? ... and who would benefit from the huge, huge amount of building and other materials shipped in and out of it to rebuild Varosi????

Here's a LINK for you by way of a clue... http://www.cypnet.co.uk/ncyprus/city/fa ... index.html

(Sorry N all yours.)


The deal is shared port...you conveniently forget that part..how will you guarantee what is proposed? words are cheap definate proposals are necessary. You GCs well know your leaders would never dare suggest such a solution unless placed under great pressure or fear of loss eg direct trade coming up real soon.
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Postby humanist » Mon Jul 19, 2010 10:42 pm

okay VP keep on pressuring and see what happens you been holding onto that for a long time 6 years have gone past since EU membership and it hasn't come yet .... hold out a few more years because you can't trust whilst you can trust crossing over each day to work with hardly incidence. people are busy with their lives to think harming a TC.

I would think that what Nikitas is proposing the RoC will sign such proposal. Ask your leadership if you like Nikitas proposal to request it in writing and if Christofias refuses then you can say what you will.
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Postby humanist » Mon Jul 19, 2010 10:44 pm

vaughnwilliams: I have the suspicion you don't want a deal struck between the two sides because you are happy exploiting the situation for the quaint and quiet of the occupied areas. Personal gains of a different kind.
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Postby Viewpoint » Mon Jul 19, 2010 10:53 pm

humanist wrote:okay VP keep on pressuring and see what happens you been holding onto that for a long time 6 years have gone past since EU membership and it hasn't come yet .... hold out a few more years because you can't trust whilst you can trust crossing over each day to work with hardly incidence. people are busy with their lives to think harming a TC.

I would think that what Nikitas is proposing the RoC will sign such proposal. Ask your leadership if you like Nikitas proposal to request it in writing and if Christofias refuses then you can say what you will.


If the GCs think that way then why arent they trying to sell this to the UN, or the world? Ill tell you why its because they are fooling the refugees who still think they will return, why risk it for a few thousand GCs who are stupid enough to swallow everything your leaders tell them. When all they want is to stay in power they have everything else they want, all they have to do is give the GC some hope that one day they will return.

Inn the meantime why dont you explain to us the mechanics of how such a step would benfit everyone, what guarantees do we have that once we hand back Maraş to the GCs they dont tell us to fuck off?
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Postby humanist » Mon Jul 19, 2010 11:41 pm

VP are you for real..... this would be an agreement like any other it will signed by all parties. The UN will auspice the city development and that's your guarantee lol. Like I said am not the one doing the signing take it to your leaders they can look at it and propose to Christofias. I don't have the mechanics ask Nikitas to explain further.

Am not sure what you are suggesting in terms of refugees not returning.

Furthrmore your leader is pushing for confederation which is also outside all parametres thus far signed so may be Christofias can't be fucked proposing something that your leader is moving the other direction. Blame him not the GC's our stance has been clear.

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Postby Acikgoz » Mon Jul 19, 2010 11:46 pm

Still trying to sell PapaD's old useless flea bitten donkey I see.
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