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[humanist]

VP

I am average TC so you can work out the rest, but why do you say paranoia when we are the ones at risk not yourselves and all I am trying to do is ensure we are not manipulated exploited and discriminated against.

VP I somewhat understand what your saying but we all have different experiences. I think those details will be signed upon by the relevant parties namely the GC & TC leaders. Further to that there will be individual business persons contract with an export company or whatever.

BUT first we gotta agree to unify .... once that's done then we can work on those other issues you raised.

[Viewpoint]

VP

I am average TC so you can work out the rest, but why do you say paranoia when we are the ones at risk not yourselves and all I am trying to do is ensure we are not manipulated exploited and discriminated against.

VP I somewhat understand what your saying but we all have different experiences. I think those details will be signed upon by the relevant parties namely the GC & TC leaders. Further to that there will be individual business persons contract with an export company or whatever.

BUT first we gotta agree to unify .... once that's done then we can work on those other issues you raised.

lets take it for granted everyone wants to the dangers are in the small print and how it can be manipulated to the detrement of either side.

[Viewpoint]

I would like to congratulate VIEWPOINT for not lowering himself to retaliate in the same fashion as the person who brought SODOMY into a political discussion...If Cyprus Problem is worth discussing it is worth discussing with dignity and civility...Thank you,Viewpoint,for reminding us all that "turning the other cheek" can indeed be the best policy!

Thankyou Bir for noticing you are a gentleman pity no GCs did.

[Viewpoint]

Thank you VaughanWilliams for stating what can really happen.

[cymart]

Cameron discussed Christophais latest proposals with Erdogan today in confidence so maybe with some quiet diplomacy,things will start to move forward at last?If Turkey are sincere in saying that they want a solution by December 2010 so it would be very hard for them to turn them down completely,especially as the Varosha issue is linked with opening the port for T.C. direct trade,something which has been demanded by Turkey since 2004?It is also inevitable that the G.C's cannot discuss the properties issue in detail without clarifying how much territory each side will control at the same time......

[Nikitas]

VW wrote:

"As an ex-Merchant seaman who worked for some years on containerships, I can tell you that containers regularly don't get loaded on the right ship and or can't be found in big container terminals. This is usually the case in inefficient/disorganised ports and not usually the case in "old" EU countries. I can't say that it would happen in Limassol or Famagusta but I can say that it could."

And I can tell you from personal experience that a port that does not have the proper software to sort out container traffic is doomed. Software nowdays not only sorts out containers but also tracks the weight of each one and the schedule of unloading and reloading to help trim the ship.

It really is sad to see the one step ahead to imagine what dirty tricks the other side might get up to, inorder to rationalise the continued closure of a city that can house 45000 people.

And I am still waiting to hear how those TC produced potatoes make it to Athens. I buy them regularly. They are obviously NOT exported via Famagusta and obviously no bomb hoaxes or other mishaps prevent their profitable export. Some GCs and some TCs are obviously doing business and exporting TC products, right now.

[Nikitas]

Re the how to respond question. If we fall into that trap the forum turns into a zoo. Ignore it.

[Viewpoint]

Cameron discussed Christophais latest proposals with Erdogan today in confidence so maybe with some quiet diplomacy,things will start to move forward at last?If Turkey are sincere in saying that they want a solution by December 2010 so it would be very hard for them to turn them down completely,especially as the Varosha issue is linked with opening the port for T.C. direct trade,something which has been demanded by Turkey since 2004?It is also inevitable that the G.C's cannot discuss the properties issue in detail without clarifying how much territory each side will control at the same time......

1 Supervised Port for Maraş is no go.

[cymart]

Because the Turkish Military use part of it?That is obvious to anyone who goes there!(Including the fomer Nautical Club!)
And if that's the reason it shows they have no sincere intention about anything!

[Nikitas]

Cymart,

The issue is one of leaderhips, which Turkey says it wants to exercise in the area. Leaderhips means ability to see the big picture, think ahead and behave in such manner that inspires trust in others.

The Famagusta issue is one where Turkey has displayed the total opposite of the above qualities. Pettiness, the lowest bazaar mentality and vindictiveness that daily tarnish the image of the would be leading country of the area.

Giving back Famagusta would pull the rug from under the more chauvinist GC politicians and move the negotiations on a different plane altogether. But given the mindset displayed over the last 36 years it would be too much to expect even with Cameron's help.