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[Acikgoz]

malice and hatred - if it is political, then malice and hatred for getting a performer to not show and entertain us in Cyprus - or was that not political?

How many have shown remorse for the lands which some farmer in the south is using of ours?! Call your politicians worms before you throw those stones at me. You are beyond contempt!

Papadopulous wanted us dead from decades ago. GCs voted him in to represent them - show me where the love and "Cypriotness" was eh!

Represent the whole island - like hell you do - jumped up arrogant hypocrite.

[Acikgoz]

You work on name calling cowboy - leave the details to those that know.

[wyoming cowboy]

Shame how if the GCs hadn't voted for domination of all Cyprus in 2004 this city would have been reinhabited.

Thank Papadopulous for his fascist ideals. What a waste.

What a shame the Turkish army keeps you isolated and embargoed and fills your tiny little brains with propaganda that suits its interest and not yours....You have managed to exterminate yourself with the help of Turkey of course.

[wyoming cowboy]

You work on name calling cowboy - leave the details to those that know.

You choose not to know that is the problem

[Acikgoz]

Better tell Bill, he doesn't believe we are isolated and embargoed.
We are not exterminated, those not massacred before 1974 have by the graces of the Turkish army been given the basic right of survival. Remember what Sampson would have done to us but for the saving grace of the Turkish army.
Here's an idea cowboy - get some facts under your belt before you try shooting from the hip.

[Viewpoint]

VP,

Twleve thousand TCs do trust the GCs for their livelihood EVERY SINGLE DAY when they come to work in the south.

Your argument holds no water. Can you provide any evidence that Limassol port personnel have deliberately held back cargo, or delayed ships? Modern shipping works like air traffic with exact loading and departure times. There is no room for bullshit moves like you describe.

Even more important. Right now Cypriot shops are selling fruit and vegetable products produced in the north, and there is no attempt by anyone to sabotage that trade, something the could do more easily than by delaying shipping.

Those workers (your figures are debateable) only cross to get work they cannot find in the TRNC due to embargoes, none of them do this because they want to, they have to do it in order to earn a living as cheap labour just like any other imported foreign workers.

My arguements do hold a lot of water and you know it, you are the the one addressing our genuine concerns from the wrong angle, the ships may come and go like clock work the problem is surrendering your goods which could be your whole livelihood to GC authorities to process, no same businessman in the north will risk it, they do not want to exposed to such a scenerio, would you surrender your whole invest to Turkish authorities which could thawt your whole business, the risk isjust to high to take.

You say there is trade from north to south and you right but its at a minimum and the few brave GC business men who have the balls to do so do with great fear of being caught, nothing cna have an indication it is from the north and we also know of GC businessmen who have been found out and are being investigated by the tax department. You are very naive if you think your administration supports trade between the 2 sides if they did the figues shoudl have sky rocketed over the years.

[Viewpoint]

A point to add to the above. If, hypothetically, Famagusta port is open, will the TC merchants have a choice which port to use? Or will they be blackmailed into using only Famagusta even when other ports are cheaper and faster?

Thats why we wish to have Famagusta recognized so that we are not subjected to the risk of GC ports, only then will there be fair opportunity and not forced as you suggest.

[Viewpoint]

Nikitas, in a TC village in Kofunye, a relative had sizeable vineyards. I can't remember who they sold the produce to but it was a GC firm. The GC firm deliberately delayed the picking up of the harvest despite agreements, as perishables this was incredibly costly to my relative. This happened a couple of harvests in a row, my relative left Cyprus because he could no longer provide for his family.

No you cannot trust when there is no trust. If GCs are willing to spoil the enjoyment of TCs for a political purpose, then what trust when the politics to this day has such mal purpose. If you have ever lived in Cyprus, you will know the system is worked for those running it. To deny that is to be a fool or a liar.

If this happened or not can you state the year, im assuming early 60's if you people still hold these exagerated grudges from 40-50 years ago then you cannot be serious about any sort of a solution...The facts are The ROC is a member of the European Union, all rights are guaranteed, by the rule of law. If you Tc's cant accept that then i suggest you pack a couple of cruise liners back to Turkey and be done with Cyprus

Typical GC response if only I had money for each time this was said I would be a millionaire....address the problem for a change, how will you ensure it does not happen in 2010 and what recourse will we have? who will decide who was exploited or discriminated against?

[Viewpoint]

Heres a thought why dont the TCs open up and inhabit Maraş, allowing all foreign investors who had investments to return?

[humanist]

Nikitas

It is obviouis that citrus from the Morphou area can be moved more cheaply via Limassol than Famagusta. The insistence on Famagusta is for obvious reasons.

Yes I am very aware of this.