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[bill cobbett]

You people continue to reveal your green with envy traits, the TRNC has and will continue to develop no matter how much you cry and impose embargoes.....because we will fight you every inch of the way. Thank god Turkey is on our side or the GCs would have us just where they want us, a minority in a GC state.

CopperLine

You see what I mean mate? Attack the regime and their notion of embargoes and isolation and what do you get?... some just can't see beyond "trnc" this and "trnc" that and over-generalised "embargoes" and "Turkey" and "minorities" and evil "gcs". Guess it's just madness.

How's the little hole in the wall going your side mate?

[Viewpoint]

bill without Turkey those embargoes you are so proud would have had the desired effect, what do you expect us to do? sit about and wait for GCs to decide how they will treat us in a GC state?

[bill cobbett]

bill without Turkey those embargoes you are so proud would have had the desired effect, what do you expect us to do? sit about and wait for GCs to decide how they will treat us in a GC state?

Can just say, do like your posts, they bring a smile to my face.

What can say in reply? Of course the economic isolations were going to be very, very leaky, with Turkey being 40 mile away, and for obvious reasons of course we can't take Turkey out of the equation vis-a-vis economic embargoes. Suffice it to say again the economic isolations are very, very limited unless you and others are going to tell us that you can't say buy cars, export your goods, educate your children, travel abroad etc etc.

Very, very limited economic isolations in practise in ways that effect ordinary tissies... but very Powerful Isolations and Political Embargoes on the Regime.

[Acikgoz]

So this was the challenge, disprove the lies that isolation, embargoes don’t exist. The evidence collated earlier was donated by Bill a.k.a. J Goebbels.
Let’s define an Embargo:
em•bar•go
–noun
1. an order of a government prohibiting the movement of merchant ships into or out of its ports.
2. an injunction from a government commerce agency to refuse freight for shipment, as in case of congestion or insufficient facilities.
3. any restriction imposed upon commerce by edict.
4. a restraint or hindrance; prohibition.
–verb (used with object)
5. to impose an embargo on.
________________________________________
Origin:
1595–1605; < Sp, deriv. of embargar to hinder, embarrass <—Synonyms
4. ban, restriction, interdiction, postscription.

Let’s start here,

At a press conference on 2 April 2001, the Greek Cypriot leader, Mr. Glafcos Clerides admitted that they imposed an embargo on all TRNC ports, including airports and that the embargo wouldn’t be lifted until the Cyprus question was solved.

Trade: On 5 July 1994, the European Court of Justice (ECJ) gave judgement in proceedings initiated by the Greek Cypriots (Case C-432/92) in the English courts. The Court held that member states of the EU could only import fruits and vegetables carrying certificates of origin from the Republic of Cyprus. Other countries then came under Greek Cypriot pressure to stop their imports of North Cyprus citrus and other agricultural products.
Shipping Ports: The Greek Cypriot authorities have sought to obstruct travel and trade through North Cyprus by imposing penalties on foreign ships that call at these ports and then visit Greek Cypriot ones. Penalties can be financial or, in some cases, have resulted in the arrest of ship captains. Moreover, the Greek Cypriot authorities have put pressure on foreign countries not to allow North Cyprus registered ships to dock at their seaports.

Airports: The position of the International Civil Aviation Organisation (ICAO) is that Ercan (Tymbou) airport is not included in the list of international airports and that according to the Regional Air Navigation Plan (European region), the Nicosia Air Traffic Control Centre is responsible for the entire Nicosia Flight Information Region (FIR). The ICAO is a specialised agency of the UN, created with the signing of the Chicago Convention in 1944.
Turkish Cypriot ports & airports have been closed to direct international trade and travel since 1974. Travel to North Cyprus can only take place via Turkey. The requirement of a stopover in Turkey increases the time & cost of travel, discouraging both visitors and potential businesspeople from entering North Cyprus.
The RoC will not include Ercan as an airport on the island of Cyprus, Taiwan a non-recognised country by the UN has its airport acknowledged by China and freedom of travel and use of ports goes unhindered.

Education: There are 6 universities in northern Cyprus. The exclusion of these universities from the Bologna process, and therefore from pan-European programmes such as Erasmus, is making them uncompetitive in the higher education market.

Travel between North and South: People are not embargoed from crossing between the North and South. Turkish immigrants that have TRNC citizenship are not allowed to work in the south and therefore that freedom is diminished.

Passports:
Definition: An official government document that certifies one's identity and citizenship and permits a citizen to travel abroad.
The GC passport is a means of convenience for Turkish Cypriots whose TRNC Passports have limited recognition. The RoC passport represents an “official government” in which TCs are not involved in the constitutional body given it was usurped in the 60s. It is denied for those individuals of TC citizenship that have immigrated from other countries and their children even if they were born in Cyprus. Therefore the RoC passport is ineffective for TCs, and makes a mockery of a passport representing one’s citizenship given the real division of the island.

We haven't covered sports, social events, policing, medicine etc. However I think that's enough of my time spent on this subject for now...

[Get Real!]

Thank god Turkey is on our side or the GCs would have us just where they want us, a minority in a GC state.

What for? I would just send you express courier back to wherever the hell you came from and belong…

[Get Real!]

Let’s define an Embargo:

Who cares? The occupied territory belongs to the RoC and as such the RoC can do whatever it wants with it.

Open, closed, dead, gassed, fucked, wanked… you name it!

[bill cobbett]

So this was the challenge, disprove the lies that isolation, embargoes don’t exist. The evidence collated earlier was donated by Bill a.k.a. J Goebbels.
Let’s define an Embargo:
em•bar•go
–noun
1. an order of a government prohibiting the movement of merchant ships into or out of its ports.
2. an injunction from a government commerce agency to refuse freight for shipment, as in case of congestion or insufficient facilities.
3. any restriction imposed upon commerce by edict.
4. a restraint or hindrance; prohibition.
–verb (used with object)
5. to impose an embargo on.
________________________________________
Origin:
1595–1605; < Sp, deriv. of embargar to hinder, embarrass <—Synonyms
4. ban, restriction, interdiction, postscription.

Let’s start here,

At a press conference on 2 April 2001, the Greek Cypriot leader, Mr. Glafcos Clerides admitted that they imposed an embargo on all TRNC ports, including airports and that the embargo wouldn’t be lifted until the Cyprus question was solved.

Trade: On 5 July 1994, the European Court of Justice (ECJ) gave judgement in proceedings initiated by the Greek Cypriots (Case C-432/92) in the English courts. The Court held that member states of the EU could only import fruits and vegetables carrying certificates of origin from the Republic of Cyprus. Other countries then came under Greek Cypriot pressure to stop their imports of North Cyprus citrus and other agricultural products.
Shipping Ports: The Greek Cypriot authorities have sought to obstruct travel and trade through North Cyprus by imposing penalties on foreign ships that call at these ports and then visit Greek Cypriot ones. Penalties can be financial or, in some cases, have resulted in the arrest of ship captains. Moreover, the Greek Cypriot authorities have put pressure on foreign countries not to allow North Cyprus registered ships to dock at their seaports.

Airports: The position of the International Civil Aviation Organisation (ICAO) is that Ercan (Tymbou) airport is not included in the list of international airports and that according to the Regional Air Navigation Plan (European region), the Nicosia Air Traffic Control Centre is responsible for the entire Nicosia Flight Information Region (FIR). The ICAO is a specialised agency of the UN, created with the signing of the Chicago Convention in 1944.
Turkish Cypriot ports & airports have been closed to direct international trade and travel since 1974. Travel to North Cyprus can only take place via Turkey. The requirement of a stopover in Turkey increases the time & cost of travel, discouraging both visitors and potential businesspeople from entering North Cyprus.
The RoC will not include Ercan as an airport on the island of Cyprus, Taiwan a non-recognised country by the UN has its airport acknowledged by China and freedom of travel and use of ports goes unhindered.

Education: There are 6 universities in northern Cyprus. The exclusion of these universities from the Bologna process, and therefore from pan-European programmes such as Erasmus, is making them uncompetitive in the higher education market.

Travel between North and South: People are not embargoed from crossing between the North and South. Turkish immigrants that have TRNC citizenship are not allowed to work in the south and therefore that freedom is diminished.

Passports:
Definition: An official government document that certifies one's identity and citizenship and permits a citizen to travel abroad.
The GC passport is a means of convenience for Turkish Cypriots whose TRNC Passports have limited recognition. The RoC passport represents an “official government” in which TCs are not involved in the constitutional body given it was usurped in the 60s. It is denied for those individuals of TC citizenship that have immigrated from other countries and their children even if they were born in Cyprus. Therefore the RoC passport is ineffective for TCs, and makes a mockery of a passport representing one’s citizenship given the real division of the island.

We haven't covered sports, social events, policing, medicine etc. However I think that's enough of my time spent on this subject for now...

Now go away again and think about the distinction between Economic Isolations and Political Embargoes, that have tried to highlight in the last page or so.

Do try and keep up.

... and try and bring things up to date, 1994, 2001!!!!! with selective c&p... and please no one gives a brass monkey about the Settlers and their passport problems. Bringing that in shows only the desperation and shallowness of your argument.

So again one more time for Acingoz.... Distinction > Economic Isolations as they effect day to day lives nowadays and > Political Embargoes > as they effect the Regime and will spell it out for you > RECOGNITION

[Malapapa]

You people continue to reveal your green with envy traits,

What, in God's name, would people free from Turkey's iron grip, possibly be green with envy about when it comes to TCs livin in the north? You are being delusional again. I've been over and, believe me, you've nothing to brag about.

the TRNC has and will continue to develop no matter how much you cry and impose embargoes.....

Really? So stop bitching about embargoes then and get on with it. Make free Cypriots even more 'jealous' of how well you're all doing!

because we will fight you every inch of the way. Thank god Turkey is on our side

Go find an abandoned, desecrated church, converted into a stable on 'your side' and thank Him then. See if God will accept your gratitude.

[Acikgoz]

Bill your protests sound like glug glug glug as they sink in a sea of truth. Now you want to twist your direction, hah I gave you 3 chances to define your argument before I responded. I will smash you up again if you so care. I hate scum like you that warp reality and in so doing perpetuate the reasons to keep so many GC and TC people from moving forward.

1990s 2000s, with steps taken by GCs to place another nail in the coffin of TC freedoms. Nails that are near impossible to remove (though not impossible). I can go back to the 80s, 70s and 60s too if you so care.

Scamper back to your evil extremist regime Goebbels, lick your wounds and come up with a new dastardly plan to spread your vile teachings of hate and lies, never caring of the destruction and wasted lives you leave in your wake.

Embargoes - Reality not a Myth.

[Malapapa]

Bill your protests sound like glug glug glug as they sink in a sea of truth. Now you want to twist your direction, hah I gave you 3 chances to define your argument before I responded. I will smash you up again if you so care. I hate scum like you that warp reality and in so doing perpetuate the reasons to keep so many GC and TC people from moving forward.

1990s 2000s, with steps taken by GCs to place another nail in the coffin of TC freedoms. Nails that are near impossible to remove (though not impossible). I can go back to the 80s, 70s and 60s too if you so care.

Scamper back to your evil extremist regime Goebbels, lick your wounds and come up with a new dastardly plan to spread your vile teachings of hate and lies, never caring of the destruction and wasted lives you leave in your wake.

Embargoes - Reality not a Myth.

Likewise, "TRNC" - myth not a reality, which is why the embargoes are real for those who choose to live in it.