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[vaughanwilliams]

So having to use a Greek Cypriot Passport to travel around the world is not an example of isolation, run the reasons past me again, kinda got fragmented, I'd love to respond.
Roll up, roll up....

Come on, lost your argument, let's do a detailed analysis if you want. Let me not waste my time if all you want to do is clip and paste with quickie 1 liners which show we exist yet ignore the lack of freedoms we have. Give me your best reason in depth that the isolation/embargo does not exist.
Else they'll say Bill lost his bottle or his reasons were weak.
Step up to the plate, minnie mouse, mighty mouse, or the Goebbels upon whom he fashions his raison d'etre let's find out....

Seriously, whats a Greek Cypriot passport?

Would it be a passport issued by the Greek Cypriot Government (there are no TCs in it)?
I believe you apply at the Greek Cypriot Ministry (No TCs their either).

idiot. If its the Cypriot Interior ministry you're talking about I know of 2 tc's employed there.

One making coffee and one sweeping up?

You're doing a bang up job for your mates the tc's. Your arguments are based on no knowledge of facts to an unbelivable extent.

Question. Have you asked some of the TC's that probably cringe everytime you open your mouth to speak on their behalf that they want some carpetbagger doing all the talking for them?

You're right. They're my mates - certainly not yours.
If they want me to shut up, I'm sure they'll tell me.

[bill cobbett]

So having to use a Greek Cypriot Passport to travel around the world is not an example of isolation, run the reasons past me again, kinda got fragmented, I'd love to respond.
Roll up, roll up....

Come on, lost your argument, let's do a detailed analysis if you want. Let me not waste my time if all you want to do is clip and paste with quickie 1 liners which show we exist yet ignore the lack of freedoms we have. Give me your best reason in depth that the isolation/embargo does not exist.
Else they'll say Bill lost his bottle or his reasons were weak.
Step up to the plate, minnie mouse, mighty mouse, or the Goebbels upon whom he fashions his raison d'etre let's find out....

You have SEVEN PAGES of examples of why the claimed Embargoes and alleged Isolations are a myth...

... and the best defense Acikgos has come up with are references to "greek cypriot passports" .... which we are still waiting for more on.

So do one of two things mate, ....

Either...

Go through each of the examples in the seven pages of this thread and tell us for each of them why you disagree that they show embargoes and isolations to be myths.

OR

Show the world that you have no counter to the examples, other than your dodgy ref to " greek cypriot passports' and... Clear Off!

[Me Ed]

TCs get RoC EU passports because they are entitled to them and because they are, in the eyes of the world, RoC and EU citizens.

They prefer RoC EU passports over Turkish passports because Turkish passports are not as welcome in the places they want to escape to.

[Acikgoz]

Hey Goebbels,
Shall I then summarise your arguments for you?
Just tell me now if you agree or disagree that I have captured them correctly, if I have then I can begin?

"Well as we all know there are no isolations, there are no embargoes" Bill says and this is his evidence

Tnucland has always been free to export/import unlimited amounts of goods and services to Turkey though the airport at Tymbou or the port at Famagusta.

crossing at the top end of Ledras Strasse

tourists and visitors to Tnucland

ROC passports and work and use all of the ROC public health facilities

"free" Port of Famagusta, the gateway for imports and exports, east and west, north and south...

This one is of a Uni in Occupied Kyrenia in Tnucland which some claim has the highest concentration of graduates in Europe...

Did I cover your all your arguments Joseph? Please add in any more if you feel it may be insufficient (hint - are you f'ing kidding me what a joke)

[bill cobbett]

Hey Goebbels,
Shall I then summarise your arguments for you?
Just tell me now if you agree or disagree that I have captured them correctly, if I have then I can begin?

"Well as we all know there are no isolations, there are no embargoes" Bill says and this is his evidence

Tnucland has always been free to export/import unlimited amounts of goods and services to Turkey though the airport at Tymbou or the port at Famagusta.

crossing at the top end of Ledras Strasse

tourists and visitors to Tnucland

ROC passports and work and use all of the ROC public health facilities

"free" Port of Famagusta, the gateway for imports and exports, east and west, north and south...

This one is of a Uni in Occupied Kyrenia in Tnucland which some claim has the highest concentration of graduates in Europe...

Did I cover your all your arguments Joseph? Please add in any more if you feel it may be insufficient (hint - are you f'ing kidding me what a joke)

Best you could do Dimwit? Still waiting for the "greek cypriot passport" bit.

[Acikgoz]

Not my response JG obviously.

As you mentioned "Go through each of the examples in the seven pages of this thread and tell us for each of them why you disagree that they show embargoes and isolations to be myths."

Just checking if that was sufficient to cover your argument.

[bill cobbett]

Not my response JG obviously.

As you mentioned "Go through each of the examples in the seven pages of this thread and tell us for each of them why you disagree that they show embargoes and isolations to be myths."

Just checking if that was sufficient to cover your argument.

Well after you've gone through the examples, .... here's a little personal favour from me to you, a little gift, you might want to join them over at...

www.partitionistcyclowns.com

[CopperLine]

Well as we all know there are no isolations, there are no embargoes. Tnucland has for instance, and others will think of other examples, always been free to export/import unlimited amounts of goods and services to Turkey though the airport at Tymbou or the port at Famagusta.

...and then there is this...

The Super Duper Cratos Hotel in Occupied Agios Epiktitos , Kyrenia...




If this is an example of "Isolation" or of "Embargo", then want a bit of it, a bit of the 200 Million Dollars it is claimed to have cost.

Bill Cobbett,
What's the point of this thread 'the myth of isolation and embargo' ? Are you saying that there has been isolation and embargo is a myth ? Or that the effects of isolation and embargo are a myth ?

If the former then the government of RoC would probably like to know. After all it has spent the decades since 74 insisting that TRNC be isolated and embargoed and has gone to substantial international efforts to secure that isolation and embargo. Moreover it claims that this policy has been successful (notwithstanding its own opening of the green line, notwithstanding its disingenuous claims when negotiating EU accession).

If the latter - that the isolation and embargo is not having the intended effect, because inter alia investments still come in to the north, tourists still come in through Ercan, carpetbaggers still buy property, - then the policy ain't working and hasn't worked.

Surely if your hitting you head against a wall the answer is not to hit longer (or harder) but to try walking around the wall ?

[bill cobbett]

Well as we all know there are no isolations, there are no embargoes. Tnucland has for instance, and others will think of other examples, always been free to export/import unlimited amounts of goods and services to Turkey though the airport at Tymbou or the port at Famagusta.

...and then there is this...

The Super Duper Cratos Hotel in Occupied Agios Epiktitos , Kyrenia...




If this is an example of "Isolation" or of "Embargo", then want a bit of it, a bit of the 200 Million Dollars it is claimed to have cost.

Bill Cobbett,
What's the point of this thread 'the myth of isolation and embargo' ? Are you saying that there has been isolation and embargo is a myth ? Or that the effects of isolation and embargo are a myth ?

If the former then the government of RoC would probably like to know. After all it has spent the decades since 74 insisting that TRNC be isolated and embargoed and has gone to substantial international efforts to secure that isolation and embargo. Moreover it claims that this policy has been successful (notwithstanding its own opening of the green line, notwithstanding its disingenuous claims when negotiating EU accession).

If the latter - that the isolation and embargo is not having the intended effect, because inter alia investments still come in to the north, tourists still come in through Ercan, carpetbaggers still buy property, - then the policy ain't working and hasn't worked.

Surely if your hitting you head against a wall the answer is not to hit longer (or harder) but to try walking around the wall ?

CopperLine,

There is sometimes purpose in my madness mate.

Aim is to demonstrate that some supporters of the regime deliberately for their own simplistic political ends make no distinction between Political Actions aimed at the Illegal Regime, and which are as much a natural consequence of such things as the UN Resolutions followed up of course by the government of the Republic and indeed still supported by govs elsewhere; and the Economic Isolation, day to day "isolations" as they effect our tissy brothers and sisters and their guests.

As to walls, no mate, there is another approach, and that's to open a tiny crack somewhere in the middle of that wall and let nature split it for you.

Hope that helps.

[Viewpoint]

You people continue to reveal your green with envy traits, the TRNC has and will continue to develop no matter how much you cry and impose embargoes.....because we will fight you every inch of the way. Thank god Turkey is on our side or the GCs would have us just where they want us, a minority in a GC state.