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[bill cobbett]

CopperLine

You wrote about the relatively low amounts of goods by value crossing through the GLR, and must agree but pre-EU it was about zero and it is increasing.

Let me throw back a hypothetical question at you, one based on your argument above.

If there were no economic restrictions, none of the economic reliance on Turkey, are you saying to me that all my tissy friends would jump out of Turkey's bed and in to bed with the RoC?

[Viewpoint]

İt would give them the ability to decide on their own.

[CopperLine]

CopperLine

You wrote about the relatively low amounts of goods by value crossing through the GLR, and must agree but pre-EU it was about zero and it is increasing.

Let me throw back a hypothetical question at you, one based on your argument above.

If there were no economic restrictions, none of the economic reliance on Turkey, are you saying to me that all my tissy friends would jump out of Turkey's bed and in to bed with the RoC?

Politics, in my view, is governed mostly by interests. I think therefore that, on the whole, people tend not to bite the hand that feeds and, conversely, when caught between "principle" and living for another day, they'll do the latter. Following those ideas I think one can get along way in explaining both GC and TC behaviour to the Cyprus problem. In the TCs' case, broadly speaking, what supports them is Turkey and what has been hostile to their interests has been the RoC. (You and I might come to the fanciest arguments as to why TCs should not be so fearful of RoC or so in hock to Turkey, but that is not the point. The point is that TCs have strong reasons and much historical evidence to think that their interests are served by T and not RoC). You could try and change TC perceptions or you could change the structure of interests. Again broadly speaking, the structure of interests for TCs is firmly in favour of Turkey. As far as I can see the RoC strategy is reducible to waiting for Turkey to tire of supporting TRNC. Maybe it will work, but past record of 36 years is that it hasn't.

[Kikapu]

CopperLine

You wrote about the relatively low amounts of goods by value crossing through the GLR, and must agree but pre-EU it was about zero and it is increasing.

Let me throw back a hypothetical question at you, one based on your argument above.

If there were no economic restrictions, none of the economic reliance on Turkey, are you saying to me that all my tissy friends would jump out of Turkey's bed and in to bed with the RoC?

Politics, in my view, is governed mostly by interests. I think therefore that, on the whole, people tend not to bite the hand that feeds and, conversely, when caught between "principle" and living for another day, they'll do the latter. Following those ideas I think one can get along way in explaining both GC and TC behaviour to the Cyprus problem. In the TCs' case, broadly speaking, what supports them is Turkey and what has been hostile to their interests has been the RoC. (You and I might come to the fanciest arguments as to why TCs should not be so fearful of RoC or so in hock to Turkey, but that is not the point. The point is that TCs have strong reasons and much historical evidence to think that their interests are served by T and not RoC). You could try and change TC perceptions or you could change the structure of interests. Again broadly speaking, the structure of interests for TCs is firmly in favour of Turkey. As far as I can see the RoC strategy is reducible to waiting for Turkey to tire of supporting TRNC. Maybe it will work, but past record of 36 years is that it hasn't.

How can the RoC side step the embargoes imposed by the International community for the establishment of the illegal state called the "trnc". Surely if the "trnc" was disbanded and the north was called something else for the time being, like northern Cyprus territories while looking to find a solution. Isn't the "trnc" asking too much for the world to cave in to their demands while maintaining the illegal state of "trnc". But the bigger question is, despite of the International embargo on the "trnc", what is it that one cannot find in the "trnc" despite the International embargo. The "trnc" is embargoed without being embargoed.! How can it get any better for the "trnc" when Turkey has no intentions of ever leaving Cyprus nor would the NeoPartitionist TCs or the settlers would want them to leave, regardless what the RoC does with the embargoes.!

[Get Real!]

An illegally occupied territory is automatically embargoed by its very (illegal) nature!

[Acikgoz]

Kikapu, tomorrow TRNC is renamed "we love Greek Cypriots" WELGRECY, What would that change?
If we disband TRNC, what do the 100s of thousands of people do that have established their social structure?
Do we sit and wait? What for?

Think you got out of bed on the stick up my arrogant GC butt side today. Please consider what you are saying next time first.

[Get Real!]

If we disband TRNC, what do the 100s of thousands of people do that have established their social structure?

They climb on the Marmara boat and return home where they can setup a state next to the Kurds and call it Ottomanistan for all we care!

[Acikgoz]

That's all you want to do, continue with your ethnic cleansing. Then you complain why the army is there.

[Get Real!]

That's all you want to do, continue with your ethnic cleansing. Then you complain why the army is there.

We’ve been stockpiling for 30 years for a very good reason… your time to return home is fast approaching.

[insan]

An illegally occupied territory is automatically embargoed by its very (illegal) nature!

Oddly enough the Hellenic Lobby exerts a lot to keep this "nature" intact whenever an attempt is made to change it... Isn't it weird we hear the cryings of only the Hellenic Lobby and their Hellenic supporters in such situations?