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[kurupetos]

Respect to all those who were slaughtered by the advancing Islamic Turkish terrorist forces.
Commemorating Cyprus's 9/11.

7/20

It was meant figuratively Kuru.

I can't see the relation.

[Acikgoz]

I think it might seem more like 19 August 1944, the liberating of Paris from the Nazi Germans.

[kurupetos]

I think it might seem more like 19 August 1944, the liberating of Paris from the Nazi Germans.

Maybe in reverse.

[Oracle]

The mindless blame game only serves the enemies of Cyprus and the Cypriots.

You are the biggest purveyor of blame (of the GCs) of anyone here!

[Acikgoz]

I think it might seem more like 19 August 1944, the liberating of Paris from the Nazi Germans.

Maybe in reverse.

Liberation of an oppressed people, fits quite well actually.

[kurupetos]

I think it might seem more like 19 August 1944, the liberating of Paris from the Nazi Germans.

Maybe in reverse.

Liberation of an oppressed people, fits quite well actually.

Only in your silly imagination.

[Oracle]

I think it might seem more like 19 August 1944, the liberating of Paris from the Nazi Germans.

Maybe in reverse.

Liberation of an oppressed people, fits quite well actually.

Yes, dear retard! Liberation from the British oppressors in the 50's and now liberation from the Turkish oppressors!

The Greeks will be free ...

[Natty]

a reminder for the erstwhile experts on Cyprus, the original constitution which was rammed down Cypriots throat in 1960 provided that the GCs voted for the president, and TCs for the vice president. It was natural then that Makarios addressed the Greek Cypriots as they were the only ones who could vote for him.


The Greeks who carried out the coup were US approved officers of the Greek army, people who had proven their anticommunist esprit de corps in the Greek civil war of 1946-1949. All of them had close ties with the Americans, and were trained by them. You people obviously do not have a clue of American control over Greece between 1945 and 1974. It was a mistake publicly accepted and an apology made for it by President Clinton in his official visit to Greece. You guys know more than Clinton apparently, so enlighten us.

I'm glad you pointed that out. I find it amusing that some feel Makarios has supposedly been caught out by his admission that he was the elected leader of only the Greek Cypriots. As you say (according to the constitution) he was mealy stating a fact. IMO This in itself highlights the ridiculousness of the 1960 constitution and just how ingrained the division of the two communities was within it. How could it claim to be democratic and representative of a unified state when the Turkish Cypriots were not even allowed to vote for their own president, and instead voted in the vice president as the supposed sole representative of their community?

[Bananiot]

The 1960 constitution was a direct result and a consequence of our actions. I am surprised people cannot see this. In 1950 and right up to 1953, Makarios pushed hard (even organised massive rallies in Athens and other Greek cities) successive Greek governments, to take the Cyprus issue to the United Nations. He was advised by various Greek politicians that this action would turn against us because internationalising the Cyprus issue would inevitably make indifferent at the time Turkey, a key player. Makarios would not listen and he used the all familiar term of "traitors" (the last resort of all scoundrels) to describe successive Greek governments. He even threatened to ask a third country to take the Cyprus issue (enosis) to the UN. Eventually, the government of Sophoulis (if I remember correctly) succumbed and took the Cyprus issue to the UN. At the same time. a handful of GC students in Athens were discussing the setting up of EOKA and an armed struggle to force enosis. This was the beginning of the end for Cyprus.

The 1960 constitution was the best, under the circumstances, we could get. Even hard liner Papadopoulos who initially advised Makarios to reject the London - Zurich agreements, admitted towards the end of his life (2006) that the Constitution was a blessing in disguise.

Regarding the arguments made about Makarios getting voted in by the GC community only, as stipulated by the constitution, they remind me of a President or Prime Minister who is voted in by his party members and then, talking to the whole nation says that he will be the President of his loyal party members only. Does anyone know of any such incidence ever occurring anywhere in the world? Wouldn't a sane person address the rest of the country, pre and post election, to assure them that if elected he would be the President of the whole country?

[DT.]

Regarding the arguments made about Makarios getting voted in by the GC community only, as stipulated by the constitution, they remind me of a President or Prime Minister who is voted in by his party members and then, talking to the whole nation says that he will be the President of his loyal party members only. Does anyone know of any such incidence ever occurring anywhere in the world? Wouldn't a sane person address the rest of the country, pre and post election, to assure them that if elected he would be the President of the whole country?

Not the same Bananiot. An elected politician is accountable to his constituency. Since tc's "COULD NOT" (not "chose not to") vote for him they are the same to him as a community in Ankara. This was the 1960 constitution, a consitution so perverted that it forced the Head of state to only be accountable to one part of the population. Should he commit grave mistakes the other community had no right to vote with their feet.

As for the voting system of the Annan plan with the council of ministers presiding on a rotating 6 month period....... If you thougt the first one was a mess then the AP would have been a suicidal disaster that couldn't run a boy scouts group let alone a country.