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[Get Real!]

Miltiades, when a thug tries to take over your house by forcing you to leave, then the police comes and gets rid of the thug, but the police then stays in your house instead of the thug.!

So what is the difference between the thug and the police in this situation.??

The thug was alone, the police are many?

[Kikapu]

Miltiades, when a thug tries to take over your house by forcing you to leave, then the police comes and gets rid of the thug, but the police then stays in your house instead of the thug.!

So what is the difference between the thug and the police in this situation.??

The thug was alone, the police are many?

It was not a trick question, GR.!:lol:

The answer is, no difference between the two, since the end result is still the same as far as the home owner is concerned.!

[Bananiot]

In 1964 and again in 1967, the USA saved our skin at the last instance when the Turkish fleet were at our doorstep. Those forumers who are quick to put the blame on "others" for our shortcomings, perhaps can enlighten us for the role played by the detested Americans then? As for the role of the junta, it is worth remembering that the colonels could achieve nothing without the assistance and active help of Cypriot nationalists. Over the years I have heard many of these people call the coup an "afron praxikopima" meaning senseless coup and fascists, brandishing sub machineguns back then, are now respected citizens of the Republic ... who perhaps get on the internet and in a forum to condemn with words the greek junta.

[humanist]

Nikitas

Cyprus has three guarantor powers. One overturned the government, the other invaded and caused a bloodbath, the third actively encouraged the other two with their plans.

And we are talking about including ALL THREE of them in the new settlement! We must admit, we Cypriots are a special type of people! We never learn!

Unfortunately once again the TC regime are adamant they want Turkey involved. Wasn't there a suggestion by Papadopoulos to keeps her out as well as Greece.

That is important to move to one Country, one citizenship, International and domestic identity, demilitarisation of the Island and no friggin two faced guarantors.

[Viewpoint]

Nikitas

Cyprus has three guarantor powers. One overturned the government, the other invaded and caused a bloodbath, the third actively encouraged the other two with their plans.

And we are talking about including ALL THREE of them in the new settlement! We must admit, we Cypriots are a special type of people! We never learn!

Unfortunately once again the TC regime are adamant they want Turkey involved. Wasn't there a suggestion by Papadopoulos to keeps her out as well as Greece.

That is important to move to one Country, one citizenship, International and domestic identity, demilitarisation of the Island and no friggin two faced guarantors.

Convince us that we do not need Turkey in the equation, to date all the GCs have done is reconfirm what an important role Turkey plays in keeping GCs inline.

[miltiades]

No this is the 36th Anniversary that the US/UK and Turkey Fucked up Cyprus, with the result that you scum are still here.

Wrong !
The bloody Greeks fucked it up mate by gicing Turkey the green light to invade.
The culprits were the Greeks .

Surely one MUST consider the events PRIOR to the actual invasion in order to establish just who was responsible for it ?, again surely, it is now common knowledge that the whole historical event was a carefully worked out plan by both the US and the UK (with full knowledge of the Turks) precisely what the outcome was to be.

The groundwork for the invasion has been discussed on this forum for so long now, I am greatly surprised that the matter of responsibility is still being argued about, even more surprising is the fact that people generally are still willing to accept that the politicians are concerned about WHAT they think.

Quite laughable really.

I was around then , were you ?
The bastards responsible for giving Turkey the green light to invade were NONE other than the extremists led by the Greek offices stationed in Cyprus ( whom Makarios had demanded their withdrawal from Cyprus) , receiving orders from the wankers leading the junta . The Americans WERE not the party responsible. Kissinger stood by with his famous statement that stability is preferred to justice sometimes.
The extremists who were hell bent on ENOSIS were ultimately responsible egged on by the Junta.

Your stand on the issues PRIOR to the invasion and your readiness to leap to the defence of any criticism of the US/UKs involvement of it's preparation, would appear to denote that you have some kind of sick affinity with the persecution and subjugation of lesser forces.

One would wonder what your attitude to the slaughter of innocents in other conflicts (instigated by those powers) would be, were you NOT so enamoured by their perceived (from your standpoint) might.

I have concluded (having read many of your contributions) that you are certainly an O.A.P. and I can assure you that my judgement is usually 'Spot On'.

I also lay traps.

Not quite an OAP but rather senior and wiser at 64 years old.
You have judged precisely nothing , you are just as many youngsters are rather naive of what superpowers stand for and what others before them stood for. I will tell you mate , every super power throughout history had as its pivotal interest the preservation and continuation of its power even if it meant having to coerce lesser powers in towing the line , this is and always has been of fundamental importance in protecting their interests .
The USA and Britain have done precisely what one would expect from superpowers , Greece just had to lick their arse , remember that Britain offered Cyprus to Greece and it was rejected .
I repeat again , Turkey invaded because the Junta idiots gave her the go ahead , not the USA nor Britain but Greece or rather the Junta which was admittedly supported by the USA but you can not blame America for the stupidity of the Greek army chiefs.

This OAP will be in Cyprus tomorrow , the real paradise on earth , the land of sunshine , katsosika , pattiches , karaolous , zivania , ameletita and last but not least Stroumbi the Great !!
This island would indeed be the perfect paradise on earth if we just simply stuck our chests out , got rid of the foreign motherlands and proudly embrace the NATION of Cyprus ....

Had I wished to make reference to your entitlement to a state pension, I would have referred to you as a 'Senior Citizen' since THAT is how the elder folk are addressed these days (as far as I am aware).

My actual wording was :-

I have concluded (having read many of your contributions) that you are certainly an O.A.P. and I can assure you that my judgement is usually 'Spot On'. .

For your information, the letters O.A.P. in THIS instance, are an abbreviation for the words 'Onanistic Addicted Proclivist' and I believe them to be admirably suitable in your case.

Incidentally, I DID warn you that I set traps , looks like I snared a rabbit !.

What was your name in previous forum life ?
A plonker I think !

[Piratis]

Hey Pratis, go and smell the coffee. Ethnic cleansing was initiated by GCs in OUR CYPRUS. You earlier justified that if Enosis was what the GCs wanted as a majority then they should have been allowed to have it.

Makarios was the destroyer of OUR CYPRUS, as were the scum like Papad and Grivas. Blame the rest of the world if you like, you will never be able to justify GCs did not destroy the potential for a fruitful and compasionate union of our two communities.

Acikgoz, I don't know when Cyprus became yours and what exactly you mean by "OUR CYPRUS", but for us Cyprus has been OUR CYPRUS for 1000s of years.

It is about time you stopped blaming the Cypriot people. The first ethnic cleansing was committed during the first Turkish invasion when the Turks killed 20.000 people in Nicosia alone (more than 10% of the population at that time). The second ethnic cleansing was committed during the second Turkish invasion in 1974.

We don't blame the "rest of the world" We blame those who keep invading our island and causing harm to OUR CYPRUS.

Our island can belong wherever we Cypriots democratically choose. You think that the Turks have the right to invade our island and force it to belong to their empire for centuries, but the Cypriot people themselves have no right to democratically choose where their own island should belong? Of course we have this right. It is a right that has been denied to us by the invaders. Not just now but for centuries:

During the Greek War of Independence in 1821, the Ottoman authorities feared that Greek Cypriots would rebel again. Archbishop Kyprianos, a powerful leader who worked to improve the education of Greek Cypriot children, was accused of plotting against the government. Kyprianos, his bishops, and hundreds of priests and important laymen were arrested and summarily hanged or decapitated on July 9, 1821.

[Acikgoz]

Cyprus became a land to be governed by the Cypriots in 1960.
Prior to that it had always been a colony of one nation/empire or another.

You talk about ethnic cleansing yet ignore the actions of GCs which was simply that. You do blame the rest of the world, how much cause have you given to the partition thanks to the actions of EOKA? The partition was not just 1974. The enclaves that were mentioned and how GCs suffered when Turkey intervened... That was what had happened to TCs.

Had there not been wholesale demands for union with Greece do you think the issue would ever have been so distraught? The whole argument of "Cypriots first" or "Cypriot democracy" is rubbish in the context of the overwhelming demand for Enosis.

The TCs really in early 1960s did not know what they wanted, all they did know was they did not want Enosis.

[BOF]

from todays Cyprus Mail.....
the comments section makes interesting reading.


Our view: Our simplistic view of the coup does us no favours

http://www.cyprus-mail.com/cyprus-probl ... s/20100716

THE SIRENS sounded all over Cyprus yesterday morning to mark the 36th anniversary of the coup aimed at overthrowing President Makarios. The ‘black anniversary’, as it has come to be known, is marked by the familiar announcements by political parties and organised groups, memorial services, a special session of the legislature, special television shows and public gatherings addressed by politicians. The high point was last night’s gathering at the presidential palace which was addressed by President Christofias who, with his party have tried to make maximum mileage out of the coup, which is the par excellence AKEL anniversary. It is an opportunity for the communist party to remind everyone that it was a defender of democracy, despite supporting all the ruthless totalitarian regimes of Eastern Europe during the Cold War. It also supported its warped ideology of a world divided into an evil, capitalist West and virtuous socialist East. The traitors of the Greek junta and their local agents had the backing of the West which also gave the green light to Turkey to invade on July 20 of the same year. It is this simplistic analysis of events we are served by the AKEL leadership, which has been perched on the moral high-ground for 36 years now, issuing certificates of democratic citizenship. It has also proved a good method of rallying its supporters and maintaining the feelings of hatred for the right-wing DISY which offered political shelter to the so-called traitors. This simplistic view is to a large extent taken by all the political parties, happy to blame the Greek junta which engineered the coup, with the backing of the US, for the disaster that followed. It is a convenient way of avoiding to confront the big mistakes committed by Makarios in the preceding years when he thought he could play games with the US, at the height of the Cold War, and win. Makarios’ bad judgment and poor choices, caused by a ridiculous over-estimation of his powers created the grounds for the coup and the invasion but nobody dares mention this. It is much easier to pretend that the coup came out of the blue and that none of the events and decisions taken in Cyprus had anything to do with it. Twice before 1974, the US had thwarted Turkish plans to invade Cyprus, but Makarios learnt nothing from these narrow escapes and believed the country’s interests would be served by making diplomatic openings to the Soviet Union in an era of Cold War paranoia. This is no justification of the coup, which was a terrible act and offered Turkey a pretext to invade, but we cannot carry on taking the traditional simplistic view of events. We need to see the broader context and admit that we also made mistakes, if only to avoid repeating them.