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[Nikitas]

The tactics employed by the Turkish army in emptying the north of GCs are well documented and show that there was a deliberate policy of intimidation and brutality employed by the Turkish forces.

The deliberate bombing of civilian targets- including the mental hospital of Nicosia, residences and hotels in Famagusta, the encouragement of rape and looting, was not haphazard. These were acts intended to terrorise the civilians and force them to flee. After the second Attila offensive on August 14 1974 the GC resistance was effecively neutralised and there were no GC troops left in the northern part of the island.Yet it was AFTER this date that the advancing Turkish forces displayed their greatest ferocity.

IF you look up the investigative reports of the time, especially the Sunday Times Insight team's reports you will see a pattern of this deliberate terror. Most rapes and lootings occurred in the safely captured Karpasia area of the island.

Having terrorised the civilians to flee south, the Turks and the British then agreed, we could say conspired, to move the TCs from the south to the northern occupied part of the island. In effect it was a multinational ethnic cleansing operation organized by the Turks, the British and arguably the Americans.

The events of Cyprus have no similarity to the agreed and negotiated population exchanges that occurred in the 1920s between Greece and Turkey.

[Get Real!]

Well, it does say there was an agreement that those that wished to would be allowed. The same for the TCs.

What was the argument about? besides both sides breaking the agreement?

It was a UN led program to mostly assist families that were broken up and people that were missing.

Here you can read about what a real “Population Exchange” is all about:

Population exchange between Greece and Turkey

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Population ... and_Turkey

[denizaksulu]

The tactics employed by the Turkish army in emptying the north of GCs are well documented and show that there was a deliberate policy of intimidation and brutality employed by the Turkish forces.

The deliberate bombing of civilian targets- including the mental hospital of Nicosia, residences and hotels in Famagusta, the encouragement of rape and looting, was not haphazard. These were acts intended to terrorise the civilians and force them to flee. After the second Attila offensive on August 14 1974 the GC resistance was effecively neutralised and there were no GC troops left in the northern part of the island.Yet it was AFTER this date that the advancing Turkish forces displayed their greatest ferocity.

IF you look up the investigative reports of the time, especially the Sunday Times Insight team's reports you will see a pattern of this deliberate terror. Most rapes and lootings occurred in the safely captured Karpasia area of the island.

Having terrorised the civilians to flee south, the Turks and the British then agreed, we could say conspired, to move the TCs from the south to the northern occupied part of the island. In effect it was a multinational ethnic cleansing operation organized by the Turks, the British and arguably the Americans.

The events of Cyprus have no similarity to the agreed and negotiated population exchanges that occurred in the 1920s between Greece and Turkey.

I am not in support of anything after the summer of 1974.

I have read all I could get my hands on and have witnessed a lot I dont subscribe to.

Thank you

[DTA]

Cheers for those links bill and gr will look later, does it talk about th migration whether forced or not?

[Get Real!]

I would welcome a population exchange between Cyprus and Turkey because that would mean that Turkey takes all her people HOME where they belong, and any Cypriots somehow stuck in Turkey return! (ie: Captured civilians or soldiers from 1974)

But a population exchange between two portions of the same country?

An interesting concept, but one that defies international law as population exchanges can only take place between two separate countries!

[denizaksulu]

Well, it does say there was an agreement that those that wished to would be allowed. The same for the TCs.

What was the argument about? besides both sides breaking the agreement?

It was a UN led program to mostly assist families that were broken up and people that were missing.

Here you can read about what a real “Population Exchange” is all about:

Population exchange between Greece and Turkey

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Population ... and_Turkey

Thanks but no thanks to the Turkey v Greece pe. Regarding Greece my understanding is that Greece treated the refugees from Turkey miserably.

But the issue in Cyprus, the agreement is regarded as a 'population exchange' between North and South by the populace whether we liked it or not. At the time people were conccerned about their safety. I wish it never took place. It caused more trouble than ever(apart from the intimidations and other nastiness that was occuring)

[DTA]

The tactics employed by the Turkish army in emptying the north of GCs are well documented and show that there was a deliberate policy of intimidation and brutality employed by the Turkish forces.

The deliberate bombing of civilian targets- including the mental hospital of Nicosia, residences and hotels in Famagusta, the encouragement of rape and looting, was not haphazard. These were acts intended to terrorise the civilians and force them to flee. After the second Attila offensive on August 14 1974 the GC resistance was effecively neutralised and there were no GC troops left in the northern part of the island.Yet it was AFTER this date that the advancing Turkish forces displayed their greatest ferocity.

IF you look up the investigative reports of the time, especially the Sunday Times Insight team's reports you will see a pattern of this deliberate terror. Most rapes and lootings occurred in the safely captured Karpasia area of the island.

Having terrorised the civilians to flee south, the Turks and the British then agreed, we could say conspired, to move the TCs from the south to the northern occupied part of the island. In effect it was a multinational ethnic cleansing operation organized by the Turks, the British and arguably the Americans.

The events of Cyprus have no similarity to the agreed and negotiated population exchanges that occurred in the 1920s between Greece and Turkey.

have you any links to this? As in how it was preplanned and pemeditated in order to force people to the south. Obviously horrible things happened I am not denying that, what I am asking about is: what was the population exchange? What really happened? Those that stayed or wanted to stay what happen to them? What were the numbers that just wanted to be away from the tcs and the TA?

[denizaksulu]

The tactics employed by the Turkish army in emptying the north of GCs are well documented and show that there was a deliberate policy of intimidation and brutality employed by the Turkish forces.

The deliberate bombing of civilian targets- including the mental hospital of Nicosia, residences and hotels in Famagusta, the encouragement of rape and looting, was not haphazard. These were acts intended to terrorise the civilians and force them to flee. After the second Attila offensive on August 14 1974 the GC resistance was effecively neutralised and there were no GC troops left in the northern part of the island.Yet it was AFTER this date that the advancing Turkish forces displayed their greatest ferocity.

IF you look up the investigative reports of the time, especially the Sunday Times Insight team's reports you will see a pattern of this deliberate terror. Most rapes and lootings occurred in the safely captured Karpasia area of the island.

Having terrorised the civilians to flee south, the Turks and the British then agreed, we could say conspired, to move the TCs from the south to the northern occupied part of the island. In effect it was a multinational ethnic cleansing operation organized by the Turks, the British and arguably the Americans.

The events of Cyprus have no similarity to the agreed and negotiated population exchanges that occurred in the 1920s between Greece and Turkey.

have you any links to this? As in how it was preplanned and pemeditated in order to force people to the south. Obviously horrible things happened I am not denying that, what I am asking about is: what was the population exchange? What really happened? Those that stayed or wanted to stay what happen to them? What were the numbers that just wanted to be away from the tcs and the TA?

Start with freedom of movement and anything else which can be construed as 'intimidation'. It happened North and south, except that in the north there was the TA presence. In the south we all know or should know.

[bill cobbett]

Cheers for those links bill and gr will look later, does it talk about th migration whether forced or not?

ECHR Cyprus V Turkey 1976

The simple specific word "forced" is not used, its derivative "forcibly" is used, also very similar language is used to paint a picture that goes far beyond force, a picture that seems to me to based on actions to implement a pre-planned ethnic cleansing master plan. One that starts with the violence and fear that comes with invasion, that develops through a range of measures ending in negotiated population exchanges.

This is the language the Judges used to describe the TA and the situation...

Fled , Flight, Panic, Eviction from their homes, Expulsion, Deportation to Turkey, negotiated transfers, constrained with their own homes, people ordered to assembly points, threatened to be killed if they didn't leave homes, forcibly removed, people evicted and taken to fields, people told to gather, expelled after days of confinement, people taken to detention centres (such as) Pavlides Garage, many people mainly women, children and old men taken to detention centres, expulsions between 74 and 75, people loaded in to buses and taken to Pergamos and told to walk in to the SBA, negotiated transfers, TA preventing the flight of some. etc etc

Here's a sentence about Karmi (discussed in another thread)..
Another woman in the same camp, Refugee C from Karmi, described the eviction of the population of her village: when Turkish troops arrived in July 1974 they drove about 200 villagers in vehicles to a place on the Kyrenia-Nicosia road. The UN intervened and they were taken back to their villages. Then the men (among them C's son) were separated and deported to Turkey. The remaining people were confined to their houses for several days. Finally, on 2 August 1974 they were taken in trucks to Nicosia where they were set free near the green line at the Ledra Palace Hotel.

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Faced with a very, very aggressive army, some fled to safe refuge with friends and relis in what remain the Free Areas;

Some sought safety in UN Safe Havens such as the Dome Hotel, where given the increasing numbers of people there not being allowed to leave by the TA outside, conditions became very poor indeed;

Some were evicted from their homes and sent to fields.

Others were taken from their homes and placed in concentration camps and kept there even though in some instance their homes were close-by

Some deported to Turkey.

Some were detained in their homes.

Many, many were enclaved in the Karpas, under increasing deprivations.

You will find a range of experiences there... but all fitting, with the help of the final negotiated population transfer within the end game of total ethnic cleansing of the Occupied Areas.

[Jerry]

DTA, many TCs took refuge in the British bases. They were flown to Turkey and then taken to the north. As I understand it many GC civilians.just ran for their lives when they heard the Turkish soldiers were approaching. Thousands were trapped in Karpas in 1974 by 1976 only a few hundred remained. I happen to know that the GCs in Komi Kebir were told they had 24 hours to pack and leave or else they would be forcibly removed two years after the invasion.

Christpher Hitchens, in his book "Cyprus" describes in detail the broken promises made by Denktash that was suposed to allow the GCs to remain in the north.

cheers I will look at the book, would you say that it is a balanced account?

I would say it is balanced, others may disagree. It is certainly not propaganda but Hitchens is known to be an outspoken writer, the most recent version is called "Hostage to History" ISBN1-85984-189-9.

Hitchens also wrote "The trial of Henry Kissinger"