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[apc2010]

I bow to your greater knowledge but I think G/Cs out number mainland greeks in S/c , I am not sure of the figures of T/Cs V settlers ,,,, please can you enlighten me .....or are you including the n/c Brits

[Acikgoz]

Re-read your comment and realised I misunderstood it. So my comment not valid for your point.

Anyhoo, as far as I am aware, last census, TCs still outnumbered Turkish settlers. I keep hearing high proportions quoted on here, and a TRNC population size that does not feel justified as I don't feel we have grown in population much over the last few years. Sorry to be vague but it has me confused.

[apc2010]

Re-read your comment and realised I misunderstood it. So my comment not valid for your point.

Anyhoo, as far as I am aware, last census, TCs still outnumbered Turkish settlers. I keep hearing high proportions quoted on here, and a TRNC population size that does not feel justified as I don't feel we have grown in population much over the last few years. Sorry to be vague but it has me confused.

Sorry do you live there..?

[Acikgoz]

Yes.

[Kikapu]

Re-read your comment and realised I misunderstood it. So my comment not valid for your point.

Anyhoo, as far as I am aware, last census, TCs still outnumbered Turkish settlers. I keep hearing high proportions quoted on here, and a TRNC population size that does not feel justified as I don't feel we have grown in population much over the last few years. Sorry to be vague but it has me confused.

Really.???

It all depends what your definition of a "TC" is, because twice the number of so called "TCs" today are in fact settlers, are they not.?

Before you start with your silly notion that "trnc" is the "country" for TCs, therefore any "citizenship" given to non TCs makes them TC also, re-read what the "trnc" stands for (Turkish Republic of North Cyprus). I do not see anywhere which says "Turkish Cypriot Republic of North Cyprus", therefore, if we were to go by the true definition of what the "trnc" is, it is nothing more than a "Turkish State" which in true definition means, that what ever the number of TCs were in Cyprus who now ONLY give their allegiance to the "trnc", have stopped being Turkish Cypriots, but instead become "Turkish or settlers" instead, which means that what ever the population is in the "trnc", they are not TCs after all, but Turkish = Settlers and other foreigners. Those TCs who hold RoC citizenship are still citizens of Cyprus and are still Turkish Cypriots. My belief is, vast majority of those living in the north do not hold citizenship of Cyprus (RoC), therefore, they can only be Turkish = Settlers or other illegal foreigners, given the fact, that the territory in the north is legally the territory of the RoC.!

Don't blame me for interpreting what the definition of what the "trnc" means, because it was intended to be interpreted that way by those who created the "trnc" in the first place, namely Denktash and Turkey. Too many "TCs" misuse the term calling themselves a "TC", when they do not even understand what it means to be a TC. If you have any complaints, take it up with Denktash and Turkey, and not me.!

[Me Ed]

Re-read your comment and realised I misunderstood it. So my comment not valid for your point.

Anyhoo, as far as I am aware, last census, TCs still outnumbered Turkish settlers. I keep hearing high proportions quoted on here, and a TRNC population size that does not feel justified as I don't feel we have grown in population much over the last few years. Sorry to be vague but it has me confused.

Oh dear your second paragraph shows that you are the only TC that believes this Turkish lie.

On top of that, you other posts show that you are also suckered in by other Turkish lies.

[Acikgoz]

The census differentiated between immigrants from Turkey obtaining TRNC citizenship and legacy TCs.
I understand why you believe there could be a mix-up but that point was well noted.

What's in a name -
are Brits from Great Britain default are great - lovely guys don't get me wrong but regular people all the same
do the Catalans of Spain say "we are Spaniards first"
you know where I am going.

That was some serious chat you gave with what could be described as a hang-up about immigrants. The ones that are TRNC citizens are now TCs and that's that. Those that are not citizens yet face difficult challenges to get their citizenship.

On this point I have no issues with Denktas. I am sure if we were called the "We declare the all Greeks are great Cypriot Republic of Turkish ethnicity" we still wouldn't be allowed to post our avatar on this site and we would still be persecuted.

[Acikgoz]

Heeeey idiot Ed, how you doin'? All cool with you? Talking of avatars I love yours, I imagine that is how you look.

What's that Ed, are you saying:
the TCs started the ethnic cleansing and apartheid of OUR CYPRUS? Now that's a lie.
you believe we can right now live in a full democracy in peace? Now that's a lie.
idiot Ed can think outside his propaganda machine soundbites? Well no evidence so far.

You are the best, you always put a smile on my face. Please don't ever change or then I might have to consider your words may have value and where would the fun be in that.

[Me Ed]

Things may have been said by respective leaders and incident perpetrated by both sides, but there is no evidence that either side actually did anything on a scale that could be described as ethnic cleansing up to 1974.

Aparthied, well one could argue that Turkey and the British engineered the conditions for this.

However from 1974, what Turkey has done in its own interests has been an unmitigated disaster for the TCs and their plight and in a couple of generations there will be no such thing as a TC.

Along with the expulsion of 200,000 Cypriots and the eventual assimilation of the Cypriots in the occupied areas, that would most certainly qualify as ethnic cleansing.

[Kikapu]

The census differentiated between immigrants from Turkey obtaining TRNC citizenship and legacy TCs.
I understand why you believe there could be a mix-up but that point was well noted.

Forget what's in the so called census. Ever hear the term, "garbage in, garbage out" when compiling and dispensing information.??

What's in a name -
are Brits from Great Britain default are great - lovely guys don't get me wrong but regular people all the same
do the Catalans of Spain say "we are Spaniards first"

Words do have meanings.!

No other country or state, legal or illegal, as far as I know makes direct claim as to who they are as people in the formation of the countries name, except the illegal " trnc state", who has claimed to be "Turkish state" and not "Turkish Cypriot state", but isn't what your leaders in the north has also claimed recently, that you are in fact "Turks of Cyprus" and not Turkish Cypriots at all. Are you not at least a bit embarrassed in what your leaders have classed you as and you show no objections at all, but in fact, you still praise Denktash and I'm sure now, your new leader, Eroglu.??

you know where I am going.

Yeah, nowhere to be exact. Stop trying to make excuses and trying to squirm your way out. Accept that TCs are a minority in the north and the settlers along with all the other illegal foreigners are the majority. Stop trying to be a "smart aleck" by coming up with excuses. You are not as "Açikgöz" as you think you are.!

That was some serious chat you gave with what could be described as a hang-up about immigrants. The ones that are TRNC citizens are now TCs and that's that. Those that are not citizens yet face difficult challenges to get their citizenship.

You are further making a fool of yourself. If what you say is true that all "citizens" of the "trnc" are now TCs, then why can't they cross into the RoC and claim their EU passports as any other Turkish Cypriots who are citizens by birth rights of the RoC can. The only TCs who are eligible to claim their EU passports from the RoC but refuse to do so, are people like VP who have British citizenship, that's all. Unless you want to tell me that the "settler TCs" are happy with the passports issues by the "trnc" and that those passports are equal to the RoC issued passports.??

On this point I have no issues with Denktas.

Well, you should, but how can you, when you have been blinded by the likes of Denktash for the last 36 years.! You are just one more victim inflicted on to you by your leaders fascist ideology. It really isn't your fault.!

I am sure if we were called the "We declare the all Greeks are great Cypriot Republic of Turkish ethnicity" we still wouldn't be allowed to post our avatar on this site and we would still be persecuted.

Pointless argument that has no meaning, hence deserves no meaningful response.