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VW,

For us old hands the name of the town can also mean the name of the district. YOu need to spend more time on the island to get to know local habits and customs. A little research on how the mountain got its name will help too.

I know that Kyrenia is a district as well as a town, but most of the people living in that district live on the North side of the Beshparmaks in and around Kyrenia town. The drive on the dual-carriageway between Nicosia and Kyrenia takes you through green forestry and the first view of Kyrenia town with the sea behind it cannot really be compared to Arizona.
I am aware of some of the mythology surrounding the Beshparmaks and how they got their name, but I'm sure you have a GC version where the Gods said they would always belong to the Greeks, or something similar, no doubt.

Where there is a mythology, then there is an accompanying history. One cannot erase history. Not even with bloodshed and ethnic cleansing as we have seen in Cyprus. North and south. My home will always be in the south and there will always be those that believe Kyrenia and Famagusta are their homes..full of people that do not belong there.

Please enlighten us as to the how the mythology is tied into the history, or vice-versa if you find that easier. Mythology is something which never actually took place which, by definition, means it cannot have anything to do with history.

King Arthur and the knights of the round table ... ?

[denizaksulu]

VW,

For us old hands the name of the town can also mean the name of the district. YOu need to spend more time on the island to get to know local habits and customs. A little research on how the mountain got its name will help too.

I know that Kyrenia is a district as well as a town, but most of the people living in that district live on the North side of the Beshparmaks in and around Kyrenia town. The drive on the dual-carriageway between Nicosia and Kyrenia takes you through green forestry and the first view of Kyrenia town with the sea behind it cannot really be compared to Arizona.
I am aware of some of the mythology surrounding the Beshparmaks and how they got their name, but I'm sure you have a GC version where the Gods said they would always belong to the Greeks, or something similar, no doubt.

Where there is a mythology, then there is an accompanying history. One cannot erase history. Not even with bloodshed and ethnic cleansing as we have seen in Cyprus. North and south. My home will always be in the south and there will always be those that believe Kyrenia and Famagusta are their homes..full of people that do not belong there.

Please enlighten us as to the how the mythology is tied into the history, or vice-versa if you find that easier. Mythology is something which never actually took place which, by definition, means it cannot have anything to do with history.

King Arthur and the knights of the round table ... ?

Are you kidding. According to VW, England has NO history (apart from 1066).

[Oracle]

VW,

For us old hands the name of the town can also mean the name of the district. YOu need to spend more time on the island to get to know local habits and customs. A little research on how the mountain got its name will help too.

I know that Kyrenia is a district as well as a town, but most of the people living in that district live on the North side of the Beshparmaks in and around Kyrenia town. The drive on the dual-carriageway between Nicosia and Kyrenia takes you through green forestry and the first view of Kyrenia town with the sea behind it cannot really be compared to Arizona.
I am aware of some of the mythology surrounding the Beshparmaks and how they got their name, but I'm sure you have a GC version where the Gods said they would always belong to the Greeks, or something similar, no doubt.

Where there is a mythology, then there is an accompanying history. One cannot erase history. Not even with bloodshed and ethnic cleansing as we have seen in Cyprus. North and south. My home will always be in the south and there will always be those that believe Kyrenia and Famagusta are their homes..full of people that do not belong there.

Please enlighten us as to the how the mythology is tied into the history, or vice-versa if you find that easier. Mythology is something which never actually took place which, by definition, means it cannot have anything to do with history.

King Arthur and the knights of the round table ... ?

Are you kidding. According to VW, England has NO history (apart from 1066).

Nor Scotland. Robert the Bruce and the spider?

[Nikitas]

For as far back as I can remember TCs called Pendadaktylos by that name. This besh business is one of the inventions of the regime, part of the name change policy which often sinks into the realm of tragicomedy. I like the name Lisi, to distinguish it from Lysi! They apparently do not want any French tourists to see it and spell it with an "y Grec".

And the name was not from mythology, it is from legend which came about in historic times.

[denizaksulu]

For as far back as I can remember TCs called Pendadaktylos by that name. This besh business is one of the inventions of the regime, part of the name change policy which often sinks into the realm of tragicomedy. I like the name Lisi, to distinguish it from Lysi! They apparently do not want any French tourists to see it and spell it with an "y Grec".

And the name was not from mythology, it is from legend which came about in historic times.

Which regime is that?

In Turkish we always called it Beşparmak (Five Fingers)

Beş = five=bende/penta?

Parmak = fingers.

Please dont ask when the Turkish name was first used but it was well before 1954 and that I am sure of. I will check Any maps I can get my hands on.

[denizaksulu]

Has the RoC ever prosecuted anyone for the murders and massacres of TCs committed from 63 to the division in 74? and if not why not? Cyprus is a small island and everyone knows everyone, it was smaller back then, so I can only assume that the state or the community feel that no crime was committed. As an EU member state this lack of action should be unacceptable, especially to a people and state that demand the rule of law with regard the events of 74 and afterwards. Or is this the usual hypocrisy that the law does not apply when it suits.

There were probably more TCs/TMTs who were murderers in that time period and so how many of them were found and punished?

I would suggest that there have been no prosecutions of TMT members in the TRNC but as the RoC is in the EU it should meet that standard of Justice - can you imagin Germany, Austria, Poland of the Balts NOT prosecuting an individual if it came out they were a member of an Einsatzgruppen?

Unlike TMT which continued (continues) to receive government (Turkish) funding and support, there was no such organisation, extant in the years you mention, supporting the RoC. In fact, TMT was set-up to specifically target GCs and any means to destroy the RoC and as such, if it was within the capability of a war-torn RoC, one would expect to see some arrests. Any murders of TCs were done by fanatical GC individuals and not any organisation -- unlike TMT. Perhaps, if 1974 had not happened, the evidence wouldn't have been destroyed and 43,000 Turkish troops preventing island-wide investigations and justice (for how can you restrict searches to half an island -- did murders only occur in the southern parts of Cyprus? )

When TMT was set up, there was NO RoC. Please make note.

It was set up to specifically target GCs and whatever they aimed for, past, present and future.

....and TCs too

I'm glad you said that.

Now, would you kindly scan and post that leaflet so that we may evaluate the context of the refugee figures.

Below are the scans of the document. Luckily my wife photographed it in the church of St. Andrews,. The church could be in Hastings where they went for their outing.




I will PM the document itself for reasons explained.

[Oracle]

I will PM the document itself for reasons explained.

Thanks Deniz ... I will respect your request not to make a fool of you on the forum for reading the refugee numbers wrong; not that it would have been a "credible source" by GR! standards.

[denizaksulu]

I will PM the document itself for reasons explained.

Thanks Deniz ... I will respect your request not to make a fool of you on the forum for reading the refugee numbers wrong; not that it would have been a "credible source" by GR! standards.

Why you...you..

Never can trust a Greek.






Here it is then. Still a far cry from the 200.000 refugees you band about. And this from a Greek Orthodox Church in Hastings.

I have admitted numbers are exagerated but this?

[Oracle]

I will PM the document itself for reasons explained.

Thanks Deniz ... I will respect your request not to make a fool of you on the forum for reading the refugee numbers wrong; not that it would have been a "credible source" by GR! standards.

Why you...you..

Never can trust a Greek.






Here it is then. Still a far cry from the 200.000 refugees you band about. And this from a Greek Orthodox Church in Hastings.

I have admitted numbers are exagerated but this?

You needn't have bothered yourself about it, Deniz. I've already said it wasn't a "credible source".

[Nikitas]

The source aside, 142000 is more than the total population of TCs, volently expelled.