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CANA to organize protest against Turkish invasion of Cyprus

July 12, 2010

PanARMENIAN.Net - On July 20, 2010, the Cyprus Action Network of America (CANA) will be demonstrating in front of the Turkish Embassy in Washington DC, to demand justice for Turkish invasion of Cyprus that began on July 20, 1974.

“For 36 years Greek-Cypriots suffer an ongoing Holocaust of our culture, heritage and people. Turkey's crimes include the rape of 800 Greek-Cypriot women, the murder of thousands of Greek-Cypriots, the theft of half of the Greek-Cypriot peoples homeland, the forcible displacement of hundreds of thousands, and the ongoing illegal occupation of a culture, a sovereign territory a homeland,” the CANA said.

“Our protest sends the strong message around the world that, no matter how hard the Turkish murderers, rapists, thieves, invaders, occupiers and their allies try to sell us their Turkish racist bizonal, bicommunal plans: we will never forgive, we will never forget the perpetrators of the Holocaust of the Greek-Cypriot people.”

Hysterical is a word that springs to mind, and I don't mean funny.

I dont know where you come from but no one likes to have their homeland invaded and be subjected to ethnic cleansing. GC's dont like it nor do the TC's.

Where I come from we haven't been invaded since 1066.
I'm sure no one likes being invaded and to describe the events of 36 years ago in emotive language is understandable. However, to blame and describe todays Turks in the same language can be compared to me describing modern Germans as Jew murdering, Nazi scum.

I don't think the original article is as generic as you proclaim. However, the salient difference between Germany today and Turkey today is that Germany no longer occupies foreign lands and the government has sought to rectify the political damage. Turkey and its murderers, rapists etc still occupy our country and conduct apartheid and maintain the state of Greek-specific ethnic cleansing, every second of our lives!

I don't dispute that Turkey still occupies some of your country but please demonstrate that this is currently being done by murderers and rapists etc. There may have been murder and rape 36 years ago but the same can't be said about today, except by you it seems.

"Some" of my country under occupation is all of my country under Turkish-administered apartheid and sustained Greek-specific ethnic cleansing!

The Turkish occupation army is led by some of the 1974 "war heroes" (aka rapists/murderers) ...

"all" of your country? Even the so-called RoC?

Name a few TA leaders who are 1974 veterans that are in TRNC now please.

Easy, find the nicest biggest pieces of GC land in the occupied territories and chances are they belong to the families of Turkish senior officers that led the invasion and most probably took part in the atrocities.

You're guessing, you don't know.

No worries, ask iceman and halil who DO know.

the only thing I'm unsure off is where exactly this land is. The fact that you do not know common knowledge stuff like Denktash giving out the best GC land to the officers shows how much time someone should give you while debating the cyprus problem. Learn some basics.

Of course I know that, everyone does. "To the victor, the spoils".
That does not change anything. To use your phrasing, "chances are" the land has been sold on or is "probably" owned by the families of the 1974 vets. That does not mean the1974 vets are either here or are leading the TA here.

To the victor, the spoils.. well done. From someone who has self proclaimed he knows nothing about invasions your time in the occupied areas has given you a good grounding for your new found ethics.

[Oracle]

Here's one ...

Işık Koşaner

From Wikipedia

General Işık Koşaner, the current commander of the Turkish Army and former commander of the Turkish Gendarmerie, was born in the city of İzmir, Turkey, in 1945.
Koşaner graduated from the Turkish Army Academy in 1965 and the Infantry School in 1966. Until 1976 he served in several contingents of the Turkish Army as a Platoon and Company Commander, as an instructor at the Mountain Commando School & Training Center Command in Eğirdir, and as a Platoon Commander within the Turkish Commando Brigade during Operation Atilla in 1974 which aimed to protect the Turkish Cypriots from the attacks of the EOKA-B paramilitary organization and to prevent the annexation of Cyprus by Greece under the Enosis plan. He was later appointed as the Commander of the Special Operations Forces at the Turkish General Staff Headquarters in Ankara. Koşaner graduated from the Turkish Army Staff College in 1978 and served as a command officer at the Special Warfare Department Command of the Turkish General Staff Headquarters in Ankara. After graduating from the NATO Defence College, he served as a command officer at NATO's Allied Forces Southern Europe (AFSOUTH) Headquarters in Naples, Italy. Koşaner later served at the Planning and Coordination Department of the Logistics Command within the Turkish 3rd Army. After graduating from the Royal College of Defence Studies (RCDS) in London, United Kingdom, Koşaner served as the head of the Strategy Division within the Strategy and Forces Planning Department of the Turkish General Staff Headquarters in Ankara. As a Colonel he commanded the 131st Infantry Regiment at the 8th Infantry Division of the Turkish Army before being appointed as the Commander of the Special Operations Command at the Turkish General Staff Headquarters in Ankara. In 1992 Koşaner was promoted to the rank of Brigadier General and was appointed with the command of the Logistic Planning Department and later the 1st Commando Brigade of the Turkish Army. Koşaner was promoted to the rank of Major General in 1996 and was appointed with the command of the Turkish Army Academy. In 2000 Koşaner was promoted to the rank of Lieutenant General and served as the Undersecretary of the Turkish Ministry of Defense and later as the Commander of the Turkish Peacekeeping Forces in Northern Cyprus. Koşaner was promoted to the rank of General in 2004 and served as the Commander of the Turkish Aegean Army and later as the Deputy Chief of the Turkish General Staff.
On August 4, 2006, General Koşaner was appointed as the Commander of the Turkish Gendarmerie. He was followed by General Avni Atila Işık as the Gendarmerie commander, when he took over the command of Turkish Army on 30 August, 2008.
General Koşaner is decorated with the "Turkish Armed Forces Medal of Bravery and Valour", "Turkish Armed Forces Medal of Distinguished Service", "Turkish Armed Forces Medal of Bravery and Valour in Cyprus" and the "Republic of Korea National Security Medal of Honour".
General Işık Koşaner is married to Nurdan Koşaner and has two children.

Here's one what?
He was a 1974 vet and he was in TRNC before 2004. He's not here now.

How do you know he's not here now? Besides, that's irrelevant.

He is still in command in the Turkish Army and whether living in the "trnc" or Ankara or wherever they command their army/gendarmerie from, makes no difference -- the north is still administered and occupied by these rapist/murderers! "Occupied" meaning illegal armed occupation, not in the sense of residing in one's home!

[vaughanwilliams]

The village of Karmi is mostly populated by Turkish armed forces personnel. Some of those who live in Karmi were pilots in 1974, and one or two were the pilots who bombed the Turkish ships and sank the destroyer Kocatepe. One of them told author Paul Theroux that Turkish pilots are the best in NATO, adding that "the Greeks are useless and the Italians are worse". Probably because neither the Greeks nor the Italians sink their own navies.

Sorry old lad, but Karmi/Karaman is mostly populated by Brits. Even the street names are duplicated in English.

[vaughanwilliams]

CANA to organize protest against Turkish invasion of Cyprus

July 12, 2010

PanARMENIAN.Net - On July 20, 2010, the Cyprus Action Network of America (CANA) will be demonstrating in front of the Turkish Embassy in Washington DC, to demand justice for Turkish invasion of Cyprus that began on July 20, 1974.

“For 36 years Greek-Cypriots suffer an ongoing Holocaust of our culture, heritage and people. Turkey's crimes include the rape of 800 Greek-Cypriot women, the murder of thousands of Greek-Cypriots, the theft of half of the Greek-Cypriot peoples homeland, the forcible displacement of hundreds of thousands, and the ongoing illegal occupation of a culture, a sovereign territory a homeland,” the CANA said.

“Our protest sends the strong message around the world that, no matter how hard the Turkish murderers, rapists, thieves, invaders, occupiers and their allies try to sell us their Turkish racist bizonal, bicommunal plans: we will never forgive, we will never forget the perpetrators of the Holocaust of the Greek-Cypriot people.”

Hysterical is a word that springs to mind, and I don't mean funny.

I dont know where you come from but no one likes to have their homeland invaded and be subjected to ethnic cleansing. GC's dont like it nor do the TC's.

Where I come from we haven't been invaded since 1066.
I'm sure no one likes being invaded and to describe the events of 36 years ago in emotive language is understandable. However, to blame and describe todays Turks in the same language can be compared to me describing modern Germans as Jew murdering, Nazi scum.

I don't think the original article is as generic as you proclaim. However, the salient difference between Germany today and Turkey today is that Germany no longer occupies foreign lands and the government has sought to rectify the political damage. Turkey and its murderers, rapists etc still occupy our country and conduct apartheid and maintain the state of Greek-specific ethnic cleansing, every second of our lives!

I don't dispute that Turkey still occupies some of your country but please demonstrate that this is currently being done by murderers and rapists etc. There may have been murder and rape 36 years ago but the same can't be said about today, except by you it seems.

"Some" of my country under occupation is all of my country under Turkish-administered apartheid and sustained Greek-specific ethnic cleansing!

The Turkish occupation army is led by some of the 1974 "war heroes" (aka rapists/murderers) ...

"all" of your country? Even the so-called RoC?

Name a few TA leaders who are 1974 veterans that are in TRNC now please.

Easy, find the nicest biggest pieces of GC land in the occupied territories and chances are they belong to the families of Turkish senior officers that led the invasion and most probably took part in the atrocities.

You're guessing, you don't know.

No worries, ask iceman and halil who DO know.

the only thing I'm unsure off is where exactly this land is. The fact that you do not know common knowledge stuff like Denktash giving out the best GC land to the officers shows how much time someone should give you while debating the cyprus problem. Learn some basics.

Of course I know that, everyone does. "To the victor, the spoils".
That does not change anything. To use your phrasing, "chances are" the land has been sold on or is "probably" owned by the families of the 1974 vets. That does not mean the1974 vets are either here or are leading the TA here.

To the victor, the spoils.. well done. From someone who has self proclaimed he knows nothing about invasions your time in the occupied areas has given you a good grounding for your new found ethics.

It's a hard fact of life/war. Didn't say I approved of it but I do recognise it.
It's something you need to take into account and it ranks with "Don't start what you can't finish" Something GCs should have thought of pre-74?

[Nikitas]

"Sorry old lad, but Karmi/Karaman is mostly populated by Brits. Even the street names are duplicated in English. "

I have my sources and they are very reliable.

[vaughanwilliams]

"Sorry old lad, but Karmi/Karaman is mostly populated by Brits. Even the street names are duplicated in English. "

I have my sources and they are very reliable.

Sounds like your sources are Heinz and HP, then. Last time I was in Karmi you'd be hard pressed to find a Turk or TC.

[Nikitas]

My sources are mainland Turkish, some of them heirs to officers who got land. If they sold their land is another story, but many of the houses in Karmi, including that of my friend E. were given to officers.

You might have come to this story late, the rest of us have lived it for a long time. It is also interesting to see how the apportioning of land goes by a strange class system. Choice pieces go to those who can boast bloody action while the lesser folk from Polis and Paphos get second grade villages, and the settlers are relegated to inland hamlets. The system tells a lot.

[vaughanwilliams]

My sources are mainland Turkish, some of them heirs to officers who got land. If they sold their land is another story, but many of the houses in Karmi, including that of my friend E. were given to officers.

You might have come to this story late, the rest of us have lived it for a long time. It is also interesting to see how the apportioning of land goes by a strange class system. Choice pieces go to those who can boast bloody action while the lesser folk from Polis and Paphos get second grade villages, and the settlers are relegated to inland hamlets. The system tells a lot.

Many "old" Karmi village houses were ruins and these were sold by the Ministry of Tourism on long leases with the proviso that they were renovated in the appropriate style by their new owners, many of whom are Brits, with some Germans. The "New" Karmi houses, below "old" Karmi tend to have been built post-74 and are occupied by "locals", not ex-Pats.

"The system tells a lot." It would have been stranger if it were any other way round, surely?

[Oracle]

Karmi was populated by Greek Cypriots who were made refugees (4 killed/missing) by the Turkish invasion and occupation.

The houses were not in ruins pre-1974.

http://www.kypros.org/Occupied_Cyprus/karmi/

[vaughanwilliams]

Karmi was populated by Greek Cypriots who were made refugees (4 killed/missing) by the Turkish invasion and occupation.

The houses were not in ruins pre-1974.

http://www.kypros.org/Occupied_Cyprus/karmi/

To be accurate the photos are all dated as "Photo taken before July 1974." Doesn't say how long a time before 1974 - 1970? 1965?

I don't doubt it took a bit of shell-fire during the war, but my info is many houses were dilapidated dating back some time.