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[AWE]

Has the RoC ever prosecuted anyone for the murders and massacres of TCs committed from 63 to the division in 74? and if not why not? Cyprus is a small island and everyone knows everyone, it was smaller back then, so I can only assume that the state or the community feel that no crime was committed. As an EU member state this lack of action should be unacceptable, especially to a people and state that demand the rule of law with regard the events of 74 and afterwards. Or is this the usual hypocrisy that the law does not apply when it suits.

[vaughanwilliams]

CANA to organize protest against Turkish invasion of Cyprus

July 12, 2010

PanARMENIAN.Net - On July 20, 2010, the Cyprus Action Network of America (CANA) will be demonstrating in front of the Turkish Embassy in Washington DC, to demand justice for Turkish invasion of Cyprus that began on July 20, 1974.

“For 36 years Greek-Cypriots suffer an ongoing Holocaust of our culture, heritage and people. Turkey's crimes include the rape of 800 Greek-Cypriot women, the murder of thousands of Greek-Cypriots, the theft of half of the Greek-Cypriot peoples homeland, the forcible displacement of hundreds of thousands, and the ongoing illegal occupation of a culture, a sovereign territory a homeland,” the CANA said.

“Our protest sends the strong message around the world that, no matter how hard the Turkish murderers, rapists, thieves, invaders, occupiers and their allies try to sell us their Turkish racist bizonal, bicommunal plans: we will never forgive, we will never forget the perpetrators of the Holocaust of the Greek-Cypriot people.”

Hysterical is a word that springs to mind, and I don't mean funny.

I dont know where you come from but no one likes to have their homeland invaded and be subjected to ethnic cleansing. GC's dont like it nor do the TC's.

Where I come from we haven't been invaded since 1066.
I'm sure no one likes being invaded and to describe the events of 36 years ago in emotive language is understandable. However, to blame and describe todays Turks in the same language can be compared to me describing modern Germans as Jew murdering, Nazi scum.

I don't think the original article is as generic as you proclaim. However, the salient difference between Germany today and Turkey today is that Germany no longer occupies foreign lands and the government has sought to rectify the political damage. Turkey and its murderers, rapists etc still occupy our country and conduct apartheid and maintain the state of Greek-specific ethnic cleansing, every second of our lives!

I don't dispute that Turkey still occupies some of your country but please demonstrate that this is currently being done by murderers and rapists etc. There may have been murder and rape 36 years ago but the same can't be said about today, except by you it seems.

"Some" of my country under occupation is all of my country under Turkish-administered apartheid and sustained Greek-specific ethnic cleansing!

The Turkish occupation army is led by some of the 1974 "war heroes" (aka rapists/murderers) ...

"all" of your country? Even the so-called RoC?

Name a few TA leaders who are 1974 veterans that are in TRNC now please.

Easy, find the nicest biggest pieces of GC land in the occupied territories and chances are they belong to the families of Turkish senior officers that led the invasion and most probably took part in the atrocities.

You're guessing, you don't know.

[DT.]

CANA to organize protest against Turkish invasion of Cyprus

July 12, 2010

PanARMENIAN.Net - On July 20, 2010, the Cyprus Action Network of America (CANA) will be demonstrating in front of the Turkish Embassy in Washington DC, to demand justice for Turkish invasion of Cyprus that began on July 20, 1974.

“For 36 years Greek-Cypriots suffer an ongoing Holocaust of our culture, heritage and people. Turkey's crimes include the rape of 800 Greek-Cypriot women, the murder of thousands of Greek-Cypriots, the theft of half of the Greek-Cypriot peoples homeland, the forcible displacement of hundreds of thousands, and the ongoing illegal occupation of a culture, a sovereign territory a homeland,” the CANA said.

“Our protest sends the strong message around the world that, no matter how hard the Turkish murderers, rapists, thieves, invaders, occupiers and their allies try to sell us their Turkish racist bizonal, bicommunal plans: we will never forgive, we will never forget the perpetrators of the Holocaust of the Greek-Cypriot people.”

Hysterical is a word that springs to mind, and I don't mean funny.

I dont know where you come from but no one likes to have their homeland invaded and be subjected to ethnic cleansing. GC's dont like it nor do the TC's.

Where I come from we haven't been invaded since 1066.
I'm sure no one likes being invaded and to describe the events of 36 years ago in emotive language is understandable. However, to blame and describe todays Turks in the same language can be compared to me describing modern Germans as Jew murdering, Nazi scum.

I don't think the original article is as generic as you proclaim. However, the salient difference between Germany today and Turkey today is that Germany no longer occupies foreign lands and the government has sought to rectify the political damage. Turkey and its murderers, rapists etc still occupy our country and conduct apartheid and maintain the state of Greek-specific ethnic cleansing, every second of our lives!

I don't dispute that Turkey still occupies some of your country but please demonstrate that this is currently being done by murderers and rapists etc. There may have been murder and rape 36 years ago but the same can't be said about today, except by you it seems.

"Some" of my country under occupation is all of my country under Turkish-administered apartheid and sustained Greek-specific ethnic cleansing!

The Turkish occupation army is led by some of the 1974 "war heroes" (aka rapists/murderers) ...

"all" of your country? Even the so-called RoC?

Name a few TA leaders who are 1974 veterans that are in TRNC now please.

Easy, find the nicest biggest pieces of GC land in the occupied territories and chances are they belong to the families of Turkish senior officers that led the invasion and most probably took part in the atrocities.

You're guessing, you don't know.

No worries, ask iceman and halil who DO know.

the only thing I'm unsure off is where exactly this land is. The fact that you do not know common knowledge stuff like Denktash giving out the best GC land to the officers shows how much time someone should give you while debating the cyprus problem. Learn some basics.

[Oracle]

Has the RoC ever prosecuted anyone for the murders and massacres of TCs committed from 63 to the division in 74? and if not why not? Cyprus is a small island and everyone knows everyone, it was smaller back then, so I can only assume that the state or the community feel that no crime was committed. As an EU member state this lack of action should be unacceptable, especially to a people and state that demand the rule of law with regard the events of 74 and afterwards. Or is this the usual hypocrisy that the law does not apply when it suits.

There were probably more TCs/TMTs who were murderers in that time period and so how many of them were found and punished?

[vaughanwilliams]

Here's one ...

Işık Koşaner

From Wikipedia

General Işık Koşaner, the current commander of the Turkish Army and former commander of the Turkish Gendarmerie, was born in the city of İzmir, Turkey, in 1945.
Koşaner graduated from the Turkish Army Academy in 1965 and the Infantry School in 1966. Until 1976 he served in several contingents of the Turkish Army as a Platoon and Company Commander, as an instructor at the Mountain Commando School & Training Center Command in Eğirdir, and as a Platoon Commander within the Turkish Commando Brigade during Operation Atilla in 1974 which aimed to protect the Turkish Cypriots from the attacks of the EOKA-B paramilitary organization and to prevent the annexation of Cyprus by Greece under the Enosis plan. He was later appointed as the Commander of the Special Operations Forces at the Turkish General Staff Headquarters in Ankara. Koşaner graduated from the Turkish Army Staff College in 1978 and served as a command officer at the Special Warfare Department Command of the Turkish General Staff Headquarters in Ankara. After graduating from the NATO Defence College, he served as a command officer at NATO's Allied Forces Southern Europe (AFSOUTH) Headquarters in Naples, Italy. Koşaner later served at the Planning and Coordination Department of the Logistics Command within the Turkish 3rd Army. After graduating from the Royal College of Defence Studies (RCDS) in London, United Kingdom, Koşaner served as the head of the Strategy Division within the Strategy and Forces Planning Department of the Turkish General Staff Headquarters in Ankara. As a Colonel he commanded the 131st Infantry Regiment at the 8th Infantry Division of the Turkish Army before being appointed as the Commander of the Special Operations Command at the Turkish General Staff Headquarters in Ankara. In 1992 Koşaner was promoted to the rank of Brigadier General and was appointed with the command of the Logistic Planning Department and later the 1st Commando Brigade of the Turkish Army. Koşaner was promoted to the rank of Major General in 1996 and was appointed with the command of the Turkish Army Academy. In 2000 Koşaner was promoted to the rank of Lieutenant General and served as the Undersecretary of the Turkish Ministry of Defense and later as the Commander of the Turkish Peacekeeping Forces in Northern Cyprus. Koşaner was promoted to the rank of General in 2004 and served as the Commander of the Turkish Aegean Army and later as the Deputy Chief of the Turkish General Staff.
On August 4, 2006, General Koşaner was appointed as the Commander of the Turkish Gendarmerie. He was followed by General Avni Atila Işık as the Gendarmerie commander, when he took over the command of Turkish Army on 30 August, 2008.
General Koşaner is decorated with the "Turkish Armed Forces Medal of Bravery and Valour", "Turkish Armed Forces Medal of Distinguished Service", "Turkish Armed Forces Medal of Bravery and Valour in Cyprus" and the "Republic of Korea National Security Medal of Honour".
General Işık Koşaner is married to Nurdan Koşaner and has two children.

Here's one what?
He was a 1974 vet and he was in TRNC before 2004. He's not here now.

[denizaksulu]

CANA to organize protest against Turkish invasion of Cyprus

July 12, 2010

PanARMENIAN.Net - On July 20, 2010, the Cyprus Action Network of America (CANA) will be demonstrating in front of the Turkish Embassy in Washington DC, to demand justice for Turkish invasion of Cyprus that began on July 20, 1974.

“For 36 years Greek-Cypriots suffer an ongoing Holocaust of our culture, heritage and people. Turkey's crimes include the rape of 800 Greek-Cypriot women, the murder of thousands of Greek-Cypriots, the theft of half of the Greek-Cypriot peoples homeland, the forcible displacement of hundreds of thousands, and the ongoing illegal occupation of a culture, a sovereign territory a homeland,” the CANA said.

“Our protest sends the strong message around the world that, no matter how hard the Turkish murderers, rapists, thieves, invaders, occupiers and their allies try to sell us their Turkish racist bizonal, bicommunal plans: we will never forgive, we will never forget the perpetrators of the Holocaust of the Greek-Cypriot people.”

Hysterical is a word that springs to mind, and I don't mean funny.

I dont know where you come from but no one likes to have their homeland invaded and be subjected to ethnic cleansing. GC's dont like it nor do the TC's.

Where I come from we haven't been invaded since 1066.
I'm sure no one likes being invaded and to describe the events of 36 years ago in emotive language is understandable. However, to blame and describe todays Turks in the same language can be compared to me describing modern Germans as Jew murdering, Nazi scum.

Since you dont live in Germany or 'Occupied' Palestine..........................


You live in Cyprus. Different scenario. Try again.

[DT.]

Here's one ...

Işık Koşaner

From Wikipedia

General Işık Koşaner, the current commander of the Turkish Army and former commander of the Turkish Gendarmerie, was born in the city of İzmir, Turkey, in 1945.
Koşaner graduated from the Turkish Army Academy in 1965 and the Infantry School in 1966. Until 1976 he served in several contingents of the Turkish Army as a Platoon and Company Commander, as an instructor at the Mountain Commando School & Training Center Command in Eğirdir, and as a Platoon Commander within the Turkish Commando Brigade during Operation Atilla in 1974 which aimed to protect the Turkish Cypriots from the attacks of the EOKA-B paramilitary organization and to prevent the annexation of Cyprus by Greece under the Enosis plan. He was later appointed as the Commander of the Special Operations Forces at the Turkish General Staff Headquarters in Ankara. Koşaner graduated from the Turkish Army Staff College in 1978 and served as a command officer at the Special Warfare Department Command of the Turkish General Staff Headquarters in Ankara. After graduating from the NATO Defence College, he served as a command officer at NATO's Allied Forces Southern Europe (AFSOUTH) Headquarters in Naples, Italy. Koşaner later served at the Planning and Coordination Department of the Logistics Command within the Turkish 3rd Army. After graduating from the Royal College of Defence Studies (RCDS) in London, United Kingdom, Koşaner served as the head of the Strategy Division within the Strategy and Forces Planning Department of the Turkish General Staff Headquarters in Ankara. As a Colonel he commanded the 131st Infantry Regiment at the 8th Infantry Division of the Turkish Army before being appointed as the Commander of the Special Operations Command at the Turkish General Staff Headquarters in Ankara. In 1992 Koşaner was promoted to the rank of Brigadier General and was appointed with the command of the Logistic Planning Department and later the 1st Commando Brigade of the Turkish Army. Koşaner was promoted to the rank of Major General in 1996 and was appointed with the command of the Turkish Army Academy. In 2000 Koşaner was promoted to the rank of Lieutenant General and served as the Undersecretary of the Turkish Ministry of Defense and later as the Commander of the Turkish Peacekeeping Forces in Northern Cyprus. Koşaner was promoted to the rank of General in 2004 and served as the Commander of the Turkish Aegean Army and later as the Deputy Chief of the Turkish General Staff.
On August 4, 2006, General Koşaner was appointed as the Commander of the Turkish Gendarmerie. He was followed by General Avni Atila Işık as the Gendarmerie commander, when he took over the command of Turkish Army on 30 August, 2008.
General Koşaner is decorated with the "Turkish Armed Forces Medal of Bravery and Valour", "Turkish Armed Forces Medal of Distinguished Service", "Turkish Armed Forces Medal of Bravery and Valour in Cyprus" and the "Republic of Korea National Security Medal of Honour".
General Işık Koşaner is married to Nurdan Koşaner and has two children.

Here's one what?
He was a 1974 vet and he was in TRNC before 2004. He's not here now.

damn, here was I thinking i still own my land in the UK. Had no idea you have to give up your land when you leave a country.

[Nikitas]

The village of Karmi is mostly populated by Turkish armed forces personnel. Some of those who live in Karmi were pilots in 1974, and one or two were the pilots who bombed the Turkish ships and sank the destroyer Kocatepe. One of them told author Paul Theroux that Turkish pilots are the best in NATO, adding that "the Greeks are useless and the Italians are worse". Probably because neither the Greeks nor the Italians sink their own navies.

[vaughanwilliams]

CANA to organize protest against Turkish invasion of Cyprus

July 12, 2010

PanARMENIAN.Net - On July 20, 2010, the Cyprus Action Network of America (CANA) will be demonstrating in front of the Turkish Embassy in Washington DC, to demand justice for Turkish invasion of Cyprus that began on July 20, 1974.

“For 36 years Greek-Cypriots suffer an ongoing Holocaust of our culture, heritage and people. Turkey's crimes include the rape of 800 Greek-Cypriot women, the murder of thousands of Greek-Cypriots, the theft of half of the Greek-Cypriot peoples homeland, the forcible displacement of hundreds of thousands, and the ongoing illegal occupation of a culture, a sovereign territory a homeland,” the CANA said.

“Our protest sends the strong message around the world that, no matter how hard the Turkish murderers, rapists, thieves, invaders, occupiers and their allies try to sell us their Turkish racist bizonal, bicommunal plans: we will never forgive, we will never forget the perpetrators of the Holocaust of the Greek-Cypriot people.”

Hysterical is a word that springs to mind, and I don't mean funny.

I dont know where you come from but no one likes to have their homeland invaded and be subjected to ethnic cleansing. GC's dont like it nor do the TC's.

Where I come from we haven't been invaded since 1066.
I'm sure no one likes being invaded and to describe the events of 36 years ago in emotive language is understandable. However, to blame and describe todays Turks in the same language can be compared to me describing modern Germans as Jew murdering, Nazi scum.

I don't think the original article is as generic as you proclaim. However, the salient difference between Germany today and Turkey today is that Germany no longer occupies foreign lands and the government has sought to rectify the political damage. Turkey and its murderers, rapists etc still occupy our country and conduct apartheid and maintain the state of Greek-specific ethnic cleansing, every second of our lives!

I don't dispute that Turkey still occupies some of your country but please demonstrate that this is currently being done by murderers and rapists etc. There may have been murder and rape 36 years ago but the same can't be said about today, except by you it seems.

"Some" of my country under occupation is all of my country under Turkish-administered apartheid and sustained Greek-specific ethnic cleansing!

The Turkish occupation army is led by some of the 1974 "war heroes" (aka rapists/murderers) ...

"all" of your country? Even the so-called RoC?

Name a few TA leaders who are 1974 veterans that are in TRNC now please.

Easy, find the nicest biggest pieces of GC land in the occupied territories and chances are they belong to the families of Turkish senior officers that led the invasion and most probably took part in the atrocities.

You're guessing, you don't know.

No worries, ask iceman and halil who DO know.

the only thing I'm unsure off is where exactly this land is. The fact that you do not know common knowledge stuff like Denktash giving out the best GC land to the officers shows how much time someone should give you while debating the cyprus problem. Learn some basics.

Of course I know that, everyone does. "To the victor, the spoils".
That does not change anything. To use your phrasing, "chances are" the land has been sold on or is "probably" owned by the families of the 1974 vets. That does not mean the1974 vets are either here or are leading the TA here.

[Nikitas]

"to blame and describe todays Turks in the same language can be compared to me describing modern Germans as Jew murdering, Nazi scum."

Not if they still continued to occupy other people's countries.

As for not being invaded since 1066 that is because there were people like Churchill around who were prepared to fight and to use the dirtiest of tricks to expel the invader if he ever arrived. While for us you suggest "realism" and "acceptance" and to stop looking to the past and other such crap.

While you are up north you might want to read the story of Lambousa. It is very instructive and well documented. Cypriots do not forget.