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Turkey won't accept new EU conditions

Friday, August 5, 2005


Bolstered by French leaders’ statements, the Greek Cypriot government says it is considering use of its right to veto accession talks with Turkey if Ankara maintains its policy on ports and recognition
ANKARA - Turkish Daily News

  Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdog<breve>an, upset by French statements raising the recognition of Greek Cyprus as a new condition for the opening of European Union accession talks, dismissed as ?out of the question? any new condition for the start of the long-delayed negotiations on Oct. 3.

  ?The decision on the negotiation process was made on Dec. 17, and any new condition is out of the question,? Erdog<breve>an said.

  The prime minister is particularly disappointed with French President Jacques Chirac, who reportedly backed comments by his Prime Minister Dominique de Villepin that Turkey must recognize the Greek Cypriot administration before talks can begin, because Chirac had assured him in the past that recognition was not a condition. French Foreign Minister Philippe Douste-Blazy backed the two leaders' statement yesterday, saying Ankara's refusal was ?unacceptable.?

  The French statements angered Ankara, which has requested clarification for de Villepin's remarks from Paris. But they apparently encouraged the Greek Cypriot administration -- which so far has lamented Ankara's non-recognition but stopped short of raising its right of veto to block the Oct. 3 talks -- to toughen its rhetoric. The Greek Cypriot government said yesterday it could use its veto card if Ankara refuses to open its ports and airports to Greek Cypriot ships and planes and urged Turkey to revise its non-recognition policy.


The plot deepens and is the GC Admin that stupid or have they been offered something for this new stance or what?????

[magikthrill]

still waiting to see when Turkey will get the balls and say fuck you to the EU and move on...

[Turkey (( *]

still waiting to see when Turkey will get the balls and say fuck you to the EU and move on...

Yeah, me too!!I think Erdogan will HAVE TO do that, taking the Army and the president into account!

[brother]

still waiting to see when Turkey will get the balls and say fuck you to the EU and move on...

I think they will let the EU make all the noise and let them suspend the negotiations so they can say look the racist EU does not want muslims so their economy does'nt go into chaos.

[magikthrill]

Yeah, me too!!I think Erdogan will HAVE TO do that, taking the Army and the president into account!

still not sure about that. just because you feel tha tway im sure there are many people in Turkey that feel the country has inested way too much into this process to drop out now.

also if im not mistaken Ataturk, the greateast turkish political leader, did everything in his possibility to europeanize turkey by changing the alphabet and shifting the gov't towards secularism. some how i don tthink these actions wer emade so that one day turkey can end up uniting with azerbaijan...

[erolz]

related cyprus mail article here

http://www.cyprus-mail.com/news/main.ph ... &archive=1

[Turkey (( *]

Yeah, me too!!I think Erdogan will HAVE TO do that, taking the Army and the president into account!

still not sure about that. just because you feel tha tway im sure there are many people in Turkey that feel the country has inested way too much into this process to drop out now.

also if im not mistaken Ataturk, the greateast turkish political leader, did everything in his possibility to europeanize turkey by changing the alphabet and shifting the gov't towards secularism. some how i don tthink these actions wer emade so that one day turkey can end up uniting with azerbaijan...

Ataturk's aim was to modernize not europeanize!! Since we haven't gained something from EU and mostly lost more, I think the public will say let's just get out with the losses we have now and not lose more!!But you see the chief of general staff of Turkish army is changing next year, the current one doesn't talk much but the next one coming is a very secular guy, and he will talk and take action when needed and that is a direct threat to Erdogan, so I think Erdogan would rather have good relations with the Army rather than the EU.

[cannedmoose]

Ataturk's aim was to modernize not europeanize!! Since we haven't gained something from EU and mostly lost more, I think the public will say let's just get out with the losses we have now and not lose more!!But you see the chief of general staff of Turkish army is changing next year, the current one doesn't talk much but the next one coming is a very secular guy, and he will talk and take action when needed and that is a direct threat to Erdogan, so I think Erdogan would rather have good relations with the Army rather than the EU.

Turkey ((* Ataturk's aim was to do both. In his vision, modernisation equated to Europeanisation and he saw Turkey's place as part of Europe rather than part of the oriental world.

In this whole recognition debate, I think the RoC is making a huge miscalculation and is being used by other countries in Europe as an excuse for their Turkophobia. If the RoC played smart and supported the opening of accession negotiations with Turkey, in the end she would achieve more than just recognition, there is no doubt that Turkey will both have to recognise the RoC and actively pursue a solution in order to ensure that accession takes place. The RoC will hold the key vote in deciding whether or not Turkey has done enough to warrant accession and that I'm sure will be one of their preconditions.

What could happen now is that Turkey will indeed reject the demands being made of her and defer the opening of membership negotiations. In such a circumstance, it is unlikely that any progress will be made on the Cyprob, Turkey will not be under any onus to recognise the RoC and we'll thus be stuck in the same boat that we are in today, with the French, Germans and Austrians all portraying the Cyprus issue (and indirectly therefore blaming the RoC for rejecting the Annan Plan) as the reason for the failure.

I somehow feel that a compromise solution will be found, not sure what it is, but I can't see the UK government wanting the collapse of relations under their watch.

[Murtaza]

Well even this is true, EU is a failed project for us. Ataturk can also be mistake. Maybe he didnt count European people feeling. Reality is reality. EU people dont want us.

[Turkey (( *]

Well even this is true, EU is a failed project for us. Ataturk can also be mistake. Maybe he didnt count European people feeling. Reality is reality. EU people dont want us.

Abi Ataturk bir yanlismidir demek istedin yoksa Ataturkte yanlis yapabilir mi dedin??

Did you say Ataturk is a mistake or he can make mistakes??