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[Piratis]

Well thank you for proving my point. Turkish Cypriots did not begin the apartheid and ethnic cleansing of OUR CYPRUS, it was the Greek Cypriots, Mak the knife in the TC heart's 13 points, the destruction of law and the usurped constitution, Akritas EOKA militia legalised embargoes on TCs, the treatment of them as 2nd class citizens, the destruction of villages, the murder of innocents.
Without having a full script, you will always be running a corrupt program - propaganda robot.

In the post here http://www.cyprus-forum.com/viewtopic.php?t=30000 I provided all the evidence about how the TCs started the massacres and the burning down of shops and homes of innocent people from the 50s.

What you do is just repeat slogans that I bet you don't even know what they mean. Do you even know what the 13 points that Makarios proposed were? Show me even one of those points that had anything to do with ethnic cleansing and apartheid. On the contrary those points had as an aim to lessen then racist discriminations and the apartheid you had imposed by force on the Cypriot people, and make Cyprus a more democratic country like all the other normal democratic countries.

Lets see the 13 points:

1. The right of veto of the President and the Vice-President of the Republic to be abandoned.


2. The Vice-President of the Republic to deputise for the President of the Republic in case of his temporary absence or in capacity to perform his duties.


3. The Greek President of the House of Representatives and the Turkish Vice-President to be elected by the House as a whole and not as at present the President by the Greek Members of the House and the Vice-President by the Turkish Members of the House.


4. The Vice-President of the House of Representatives to deputise for the President of the House in case of his temporary absence or incapacity to perform his duties.


5. The constitutional provisions regarding separate majorities for enactment of certain laws by the House of Representatives to be abolished.


6. Unified Municipalities to be established.


7. The administration of Justice to be unified.


8. The division of the Security Forces into Police and Gendarmerie to be abolished.


9. The numerical strength of the Security Forces and of the Defence Forces to be determined by a Law.


10. The proportion of the participation of Greek and Turkish Cypriots in the composition of the Public Service and the Forces of the Republic to be modified in proportion to the ratio of the population of Greek and Turkish-Cypriots.


11. The number of the Members of the Public Service Commission to be reduced from ten to five.


12. All decisions of the Public Service Commission to be taken by simple majority.


13. The Greek Communal Chamber to be abolished.


It is obvious that the aim of the 13 points were to abolish the division and segregation that the Turks imposed on Cyprus, and unify Cypriots as equal citizens without racist discriminations and segregation.

But as we have seen the Turks want segregation and racist discriminations so they can benefit on our expense. So when Makarios made the above proposals for democratic reforms the TCs abandoned the government and started to murder people again, in their effort to force us to accept their racist demands again.

[Acikgoz]

The 13 points was the abolition of the terms of the constitution, forced through made it unconstitutional. The equal parties. The defense against ENOSIS. Turkey who you keep blaming did not force through those changes.

Full democracy would have seen a vote to unify with Greece at the time with no oportunity to oppose.

Pratis, TCs want their rights preserved as they did not and still do not trust GCs.

From the birth of OUR COUNTRY until 1963 apartheid and ethnic cleansing did not exist. After 1963 it did and was initiated by GCs.

Remember we have not been debating the rights and wrongs of democracy, but who began the ethnic cleansing and apartheid. Come on robot, admit it, GCs started it, come on robot.

[zan]

The 13 points was the abolition of the terms of the constitution, forced through made it unconstitutional. The equal parties. The defense against ENOSIS. Turkey who you keep blaming did not force through those changes.

Full democracy would have seen a vote to unify with Greece at the time with no oportunity to oppose.

Pratis, TCs want their rights preserved as they did not and still do not trust GCs.

From the birth of OUR COUNTRY until 1963 apartheid and ethnic cleansing did not exist. After 1963 it did and was initiated by GCs.

Remember we have not been debating the rights and wrongs of democracy, but who began the ethnic cleansing and apartheid. Come on robot, admit it, GCs started it, come on robot.

Couldn't have put it better myself but Piratis is putting forward the 13 points and not how they were planned to be implemented. He talks of democracy but holds the 13 points and it's method of implication in limbo, far away from the democratic world he holds in such high esteem!

[insan]

Well thank you for proving my point. Turkish Cypriots did not begin the apartheid and ethnic cleansing of OUR CYPRUS, it was the Greek Cypriots, Mak the knife in the TC heart's 13 points, the destruction of law and the usurped constitution, Akritas EOKA militia legalised embargoes on TCs, the treatment of them as 2nd class citizens, the destruction of villages, the murder of innocents.
Without having a full script, you will always be running a corrupt program - propaganda robot.

In the post here http://www.cyprus-forum.com/viewtopic.php?t=30000 I provided all the evidence about how the TCs started the massacres and the burning down of shops and homes of innocent people from the 50s.

What you do is just repeat slogans that I bet you don't even know what they mean. Do you even know what the 13 points that Makarios proposed were? Show me even one of those points that had anything to do with ethnic cleansing and apartheid. On the contrary those points had as an aim to lessen then racist discriminations and the apartheid you had imposed by force on the Cypriot people, and make Cyprus a more democratic country like all the other normal democratic countries.

Lets see the 13 points:

1. The right of veto of the President and the Vice-President of the Republic to be abandoned.


2. The Vice-President of the Republic to deputise for the President of the Republic in case of his temporary absence or in capacity to perform his duties.


3. The Greek President of the House of Representatives and the Turkish Vice-President to be elected by the House as a whole and not as at present the President by the Greek Members of the House and the Vice-President by the Turkish Members of the House.


4. The Vice-President of the House of Representatives to deputise for the President of the House in case of his temporary absence or incapacity to perform his duties.


5. The constitutional provisions regarding separate majorities for enactment of certain laws by the House of Representatives to be abolished.


6. Unified Municipalities to be established.


7. The administration of Justice to be unified.


8. The division of the Security Forces into Police and Gendarmerie to be abolished.


9. The numerical strength of the Security Forces and of the Defence Forces to be determined by a Law.


10. The proportion of the participation of Greek and Turkish Cypriots in the composition of the Public Service and the Forces of the Republic to be modified in proportion to the ratio of the population of Greek and Turkish-Cypriots.


11. The number of the Members of the Public Service Commission to be reduced from ten to five.


12. All decisions of the Public Service Commission to be taken by simple majority.


13. The Greek Communal Chamber to be abolished.


It is obvious that the aim of the 13 points were to abolish the division and segregation that the Turks imposed on Cyprus, and unify Cypriots as equal citizens without racist discriminations and segregation.

But as we have seen the Turks want segregation and racist discriminations so they can benefit on our expense. So when Makarios made the above proposals for democratic reforms the TCs abandoned the government and started to murder people again, in their effort to force us to accept their racist demands again.

"Democratic reforms" to unify Cyprus and the so-called Cypriots? Don't make me laugh Piratis... under then the circumstances, what all Hellenic fronts including Makarios desiring was to make Cyprus the "aircraft carrier" of Hellenes for their national and personal interests by passifying the TC community...

Today, the aim is still the same... Why do you think the EU is in Cyprus? When the time comes it will use South Cyprus as an "aircraft carrier" for the interests of EU in Middle East and Caucauses...

There was a great movie based on this theme but can't remember it's name...

Even there are 2 movies based on this theme which are follow up of each other...

I will never forget the final scene of the second movie that the Lucifer appeared during the war of western forces and eastern forces...

[Piratis]

The 13 points was the abolition of the terms of the constitution, forced through made it unconstitutional. The equal parties. The defense against ENOSIS. Turkey who you keep blaming did not force through those changes.

Full democracy would have seen a vote to unify with Greece at the time with no oportunity to oppose.

Pratis, TCs want their rights preserved as they did not and still do not trust GCs.

From the birth of OUR COUNTRY until 1963 apartheid and ethnic cleansing did not exist. After 1963 it did and was initiated by GCs.

Remember we have not been debating the rights and wrongs of democracy, but who began the ethnic cleansing and apartheid. Come on robot, admit it, GCs started it, come on robot.

The constitution was forced on the Cypriot people by means of brute force and blackmail. The proposed changes, as can be seen, are democratic reforms that remove segregation, division and racist discriminations, and create equality among the Cypriot citizens. Those points exactly abolished the apartheid you imposed. Maybe the Whites of South Africa also complained that the abolishment of racist discriminations and segregation was unconstitutional. So what? Just because you forced same racist constitution you think it can never be changed?

You rejected those proposals now, just like you reject similar things today, because what you want is segregation and racist descriminations.

Don't you want to be segregated from GCs in some "Turkish State" created by ethnically cleansing the majority of the population? Don't you want the state to discriminate people based on their ethnicity so you can have privilages on the expense of the majority, just like you did in the Ottoman era?

What you demand today is no different at all from what you always wanted: segregation, racist discrimination and gains on our expense extracted by brute force.

WHEN did you accept to have in Cyprus equal citizens without segregation and racist discriminations? NEVER! From the Ottoman times until today you always tried to discriminate against us and have privileges on the expense of our human and democratic rights, and you never accepted democracy and equality of Cypriots without racist discriminations.

[Piratis]

The 13 points was the abolition of the terms of the constitution, forced through made it unconstitutional. The equal parties. The defense against ENOSIS. Turkey who you keep blaming did not force through those changes.

Full democracy would have seen a vote to unify with Greece at the time with no oportunity to oppose.

Pratis, TCs want their rights preserved as they did not and still do not trust GCs.

From the birth of OUR COUNTRY until 1963 apartheid and ethnic cleansing did not exist. After 1963 it did and was initiated by GCs.

Remember we have not been debating the rights and wrongs of democracy, but who began the ethnic cleansing and apartheid. Come on robot, admit it, GCs started it, come on robot.

Couldn't have put it better myself but Piratis is putting forward the 13 points and not how they were planned to be implemented. He talks of democracy but holds the 13 points and it's method of implication in limbo, far away from the democratic world he holds in such high esteem!

The democratic way would be to put those 13 points in a referendum, and have the Cypriot people, one person one vote, approve them or reject them. Or have the democratically elected representatives of the Cypriot people, again one person one vote, approve them or reject them. But you would never accept anything democratic unfortunately. You always choose brute force in order to impose your racist systems in Cyprus. And to your brute force we could only reply in a similar way. Wouldn't it be much better if you accepted decisions to be taken democratically instead of going into a conflict?

[Piratis]

Well thank you for proving my point. Turkish Cypriots did not begin the apartheid and ethnic cleansing of OUR CYPRUS, it was the Greek Cypriots, Mak the knife in the TC heart's 13 points, the destruction of law and the usurped constitution, Akritas EOKA militia legalised embargoes on TCs, the treatment of them as 2nd class citizens, the destruction of villages, the murder of innocents.
Without having a full script, you will always be running a corrupt program - propaganda robot.

In the post here http://www.cyprus-forum.com/viewtopic.php?t=30000 I provided all the evidence about how the TCs started the massacres and the burning down of shops and homes of innocent people from the 50s.

What you do is just repeat slogans that I bet you don't even know what they mean. Do you even know what the 13 points that Makarios proposed were? Show me even one of those points that had anything to do with ethnic cleansing and apartheid. On the contrary those points had as an aim to lessen then racist discriminations and the apartheid you had imposed by force on the Cypriot people, and make Cyprus a more democratic country like all the other normal democratic countries.

Lets see the 13 points:

1. The right of veto of the President and the Vice-President of the Republic to be abandoned.


2. The Vice-President of the Republic to deputise for the President of the Republic in case of his temporary absence or in capacity to perform his duties.


3. The Greek President of the House of Representatives and the Turkish Vice-President to be elected by the House as a whole and not as at present the President by the Greek Members of the House and the Vice-President by the Turkish Members of the House.


4. The Vice-President of the House of Representatives to deputise for the President of the House in case of his temporary absence or incapacity to perform his duties.


5. The constitutional provisions regarding separate majorities for enactment of certain laws by the House of Representatives to be abolished.


6. Unified Municipalities to be established.


7. The administration of Justice to be unified.


8. The division of the Security Forces into Police and Gendarmerie to be abolished.


9. The numerical strength of the Security Forces and of the Defence Forces to be determined by a Law.


10. The proportion of the participation of Greek and Turkish Cypriots in the composition of the Public Service and the Forces of the Republic to be modified in proportion to the ratio of the population of Greek and Turkish-Cypriots.


11. The number of the Members of the Public Service Commission to be reduced from ten to five.


12. All decisions of the Public Service Commission to be taken by simple majority.


13. The Greek Communal Chamber to be abolished.


It is obvious that the aim of the 13 points were to abolish the division and segregation that the Turks imposed on Cyprus, and unify Cypriots as equal citizens without racist discriminations and segregation.

But as we have seen the Turks want segregation and racist discriminations so they can benefit on our expense. So when Makarios made the above proposals for democratic reforms the TCs abandoned the government and started to murder people again, in their effort to force us to accept their racist demands again.

"Democratic reforms" to unify Cyprus and the so-called Cypriots? Don't make me laugh Piratis... under then the circumstances, what all Hellenic fronts including Makarios desiring was to make Cyprus the "aircraft carrier" of Hellenes for their national and personal interests by passifying the TC community...

Today, the aim is still the same... Why do you think the EU is in Cyprus? When the time comes it will use South Cyprus as an "aircraft carrier" for the interests of EU in Middle East and Caucauses...

There was a great movie based on this theme but can't remember it's name...

Even there are 2 movies based on this theme which are follow up of each other...

I will never forget the final scene of the second movie that the Lucifer appeared during the war of western forces and eastern forces...

Cyprus as an "aircraft carrier" is seen by those imperialists who want to use Cyprus to control the middle east. Imperialists like the AngloAmericans and Turkey. For us Cyprus is not an "aircraft carrier" but our own island, and we want to democratically decide its destiny, and this includes to decide where Cyprus should belong and where it shouldn't belong.

Why shouldn't we have the right to unite our own island with EU if this is what the vast majority of Cypriots wants (and if EU accepts us as well)? Because Turkey doesn't like it? The same goes for Greece.

[Acikgoz]

Let's discuss democracy next, but one topic at a time. Who started the ethnic cleansing and apartheid in OUR CYPRUS? Answer the original issue raised then we can maturely move onto the next issue that you are bringing up of the constitution and full democracy in Cyprus. Who knows a different argument that you may be able to win.

[zan]

The 13 points was the abolition of the terms of the constitution, forced through made it unconstitutional. The equal parties. The defense against ENOSIS. Turkey who you keep blaming did not force through those changes.

Full democracy would have seen a vote to unify with Greece at the time with no oportunity to oppose.

Pratis, TCs want their rights preserved as they did not and still do not trust GCs.

From the birth of OUR COUNTRY until 1963 apartheid and ethnic cleansing did not exist. After 1963 it did and was initiated by GCs.

Remember we have not been debating the rights and wrongs of democracy, but who began the ethnic cleansing and apartheid. Come on robot, admit it, GCs started it, come on robot.

Couldn't have put it better myself but Piratis is putting forward the 13 points and not how they were planned to be implemented. He talks of democracy but holds the 13 points and it's method of implication in limbo, far away from the democratic world he holds in such high esteem!

The democratic way would be to put those 13 points in a referendum, and have the Cypriot people, one person one vote, approve them or reject them. Or have the democratically elected representatives of the Cypriot people, again one person one vote, approve them or reject them. But you would never accept anything democratic unfortunately. You always choose brute force in order to impose your racist systems in Cyprus. And to your brute force we could only reply in a similar way. Wouldn't it be much better if you accepted decisions to be taken democratically instead of going into a conflict?

What we tried to impose was the constitution of the very first republic ever formed in Cyprus, that of the CYPRUS REPUBLIC to which your Makarios signed up to. Disregarding that constitution and the veto of the vice president was treason. Your rhetoric is treasonous to that constitution yet you claim you are still the CYPRUS REPUBLIC. Sorry mate but you are full of crap!

[Piratis]

Let's discuss democracy next, but one topic at a time. Who started the ethnic cleansing and apartheid in OUR CYPRUS? Answer the original issue raised then we can maturely move onto the next issue that you are bringing up of the constitution and full democracy in Cyprus. Who knows a different argument that you may be able to win.

The original question is answered many times. The answer is: The Turks. See previous posts for details.