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[Kikapu]

Piratis, when are you going to admit that it was the GCs that broke the consitution of 1960s and disrupted the peace henceforth?
You come up with Nazis etc. but bottom line is GCs didn't want us in our new united Cyprus. There was ethnic cleansing and apartheid orcestrated by GCs. All your rhetoric does not obfuscate those actions.

I am not here to claim all innocence for TCs, but to remind people not to buy into the garbage you are selling on the blame game that is Cyprus politics.

When are you going to admit that the 1960 constitution was already broken when it was created with it's provisions of non Democratic system, apartheid, Human Rights violation which was a pretext for Enosis and Taksim to take place. If Enosis and Taksim was not a factor, then the 1960 constitution would have been just as democratic as any other country in Europe. You can thank the supporters of Enosis and Taksim for the creation of the 1960 constitution, which were Turkey, Greece and UK and their Nationalist supporters.! Today however, only Taksim is still alive and well. Until the Taksim dream is also extinguished, there can never be democratic Cyprus which means no peace. This would have suited the Taksim supporters to be the case, but with the entry of the RoC into the EU in 2004 with 100% of the territory of Cyprus also in the EU, has thrown the "monkey wrench" into the Taksim dreamers. The only thing would have kept the Taksim dream alive with all of it's benefits, would have been the acceptance of the Annan Plan in 2004 or anything remotely close to another AP type of a plan in the future. It will not happen. Either full democratic Cyprus for all Cypriots or the status quo, because anything less, will mean Taksim will be yet achieved by the Taksim dreamers.!

And the status quo isn't taksim?

Not legally, hence the north maintaining it's illegal status as far as the UN and the world is concerned along with embargoes imposed on the north. That is far different than being an legal entity with all it's rights afforded to the north as enjoyed by all independent nations.!

[Kikapu]

Piratis, when are you going to admit that it was the GCs that broke the consitution of 1960s and disrupted the peace henceforth?
You come up with Nazis etc. but bottom line is GCs didn't want us in our new united Cyprus. There was ethnic cleansing and apartheid orcestrated by GCs. All your rhetoric does not obfuscate those actions.

I am not here to claim all innocence for TCs, but to remind people not to buy into the garbage you are selling on the blame game that is Cyprus politics.

When are you going to admit that the 1960 constitution was already broken when it was created with it's provisions of non Democratic system, apartheid, Human Rights violation which was a pretext for Enosis and Taksim to take place. If Enosis and Taksim was not a factor, then the 1960 constitution would have been just as democratic as any other country in Europe. You can thank the supporters of Enosis and Taksim for the creation of the 1960 constitution, which were Turkey, Greece and UK and their Nationalist supporters.! Today however, only Taksim is still alive and well. Until the Taksim dream is also extinguished, there can never be democratic Cyprus which means no peace. This would have suited the Taksim supporters to be the case, but with the entry of the RoC into the EU in 2004 with 100% of the territory of Cyprus also in the EU, has thrown the "monkey wrench" into the Taksim dreamers. The only thing would have kept the Taksim dream alive with all of it's benefits, would have been the acceptance of the Annan Plan in 2004 or anything remotely close to another AP type of a plan in the future. It will not happen. Either full democratic Cyprus for all Cypriots or the status quo, because anything less, will mean Taksim will be yet achieved by the Taksim dreamers.!

Kiks, why not ask Pratis if he condemns Archbishop Makarios for signing the 1960 Constitution. This was a 'contract' and should have been adhered to and the GCs should NOT have attempted to make changes 'unilaterally'. But mentioning the 1960 Constitution is pointless isnt it? Its been broken a zillion times and beyond recognition. Why mention it at all. (I know it was not you on this thread who mentioned it first).

Acikgoz, dont you know Piratis is a robot? His brain only works the way it is programmed/brainwashed.

'Nuh der. Peygamber demez'.

Hi Deniz,

I think Piratis will argue, that no "contract" is legally valid when it is imposed on anyone when the persons imposing the "contract" were holding a "loaded gun " to the head of the person to accept it. Surely no sane person in their right mind would accept a "contract" of any kind that is designed to commit suicide, unless the choices were, that you can either "die" now or live a little longer and "die" later. We would all choose the second option in the hopes to change the"contract" at later stage with all those involved so to survive, which was attempted, but to no avail to change the "contract", but still alive and staying alive to draw a new "contract" where "suicide" is no longer imposed on Cypriots. I think that's what Piratis will tell you, Deniz. Perhaps I'm wrong and he would have chosen option one for Makarios for him to be "killed" right away than accept a "suicidal illegal contract".!

[bill cobbett]

Hobson's Choice ...wiki will do for def....

A Hobson's choice is a free choice in which only one option is offered. As a person may refuse to take that option, the choice is therefore between taking the option or not; "take it or leave it". The phrase is said to originate from Thomas Hobson (1544–1631), a livery stable owner at Cambridge, England. To rotate the use of his horses he offered customers the choice of either taking the horse in the stall nearest the door or taking none at all.

To be renamed hereafter as BigMak's Choice.

[denizaksulu]

Piratis, when are you going to admit that it was the GCs that broke the consitution of 1960s and disrupted the peace henceforth?
You come up with Nazis etc. but bottom line is GCs didn't want us in our new united Cyprus. There was ethnic cleansing and apartheid orcestrated by GCs. All your rhetoric does not obfuscate those actions.

I am not here to claim all innocence for TCs, but to remind people not to buy into the garbage you are selling on the blame game that is Cyprus politics.

When are you going to admit that the 1960 constitution was already broken when it was created with it's provisions of non Democratic system, apartheid, Human Rights violation which was a pretext for Enosis and Taksim to take place. If Enosis and Taksim was not a factor, then the 1960 constitution would have been just as democratic as any other country in Europe. You can thank the supporters of Enosis and Taksim for the creation of the 1960 constitution, which were Turkey, Greece and UK and their Nationalist supporters.! Today however, only Taksim is still alive and well. Until the Taksim dream is also extinguished, there can never be democratic Cyprus which means no peace. This would have suited the Taksim supporters to be the case, but with the entry of the RoC into the EU in 2004 with 100% of the territory of Cyprus also in the EU, has thrown the "monkey wrench" into the Taksim dreamers. The only thing would have kept the Taksim dream alive with all of it's benefits, would have been the acceptance of the Annan Plan in 2004 or anything remotely close to another AP type of a plan in the future. It will not happen. Either full democratic Cyprus for all Cypriots or the status quo, because anything less, will mean Taksim will be yet achieved by the Taksim dreamers.!

Kiks, why not ask Pratis if he condemns Archbishop Makarios for signing the 1960 Constitution. This was a 'contract' and should have been adhered to and the GCs should NOT have attempted to make changes 'unilaterally'. But mentioning the 1960 Constitution is pointless isnt it? Its been broken a zillion times and beyond recognition. Why mention it at all. (I know it was not you on this thread who mentioned it first).

Acikgoz, dont you know Piratis is a robot? His brain only works the way it is programmed/brainwashed.

'Nuh der. Peygamber demez'.

Hi Deniz,

I think Piratis will argue, that no "contract" is legally valid when it is imposed on anyone when the persons imposing the "contract" were holding a "loaded gun " to the head of the person to accept it. Surely no sane person in their right mind would accept a "contract" of any kind that is designed to commit suicide, unless the choices were, that you can either "die" now or live a little longer and "die" later. We would all choose the second option in the hopes to change the"contract" at later stage with all those involved so to survive, which was attempted, but to no avail to change the "contract", but still alive and staying alive to draw a new "contract" where "suicide" is no longer imposed on Cypriots. I think that's what Piratis will tell you, Deniz. Perhaps I'm wrong and he would have chosen option one for Makarios for him to be "killed" right away than accept a "suicidal illegal contract".!

You would make a 'perfect' Defence Attorney...................for Pratis cause.

Whats your name again?

[Acikgoz]

Either full democratic Cyprus for all Cypriots or the status quo

Are these the kind of ultimatum scenarios you are talking about?
Point is and will always be, the constitution was undermined by GCs in power, the rule of law was not respected. Trust was never allowed to be established.
ENOSIS WAS THE GOAL and the GC perception was accept the 1960 constitution and that will be a stepping stone to ENOSIS.
Point being Cyprus full democracy was not the goal in 1960, union with Greece was. You are just justifying the reason for his blatant willingness to perpetuate a lie and deception.
If we are revisiting the past let's do it correctly.

[Kikapu]

Piratis, when are you going to admit that it was the GCs that broke the consitution of 1960s and disrupted the peace henceforth?
You come up with Nazis etc. but bottom line is GCs didn't want us in our new united Cyprus. There was ethnic cleansing and apartheid orcestrated by GCs. All your rhetoric does not obfuscate those actions.

I am not here to claim all innocence for TCs, but to remind people not to buy into the garbage you are selling on the blame game that is Cyprus politics.

When are you going to admit that the 1960 constitution was already broken when it was created with it's provisions of non Democratic system, apartheid, Human Rights violation which was a pretext for Enosis and Taksim to take place. If Enosis and Taksim was not a factor, then the 1960 constitution would have been just as democratic as any other country in Europe. You can thank the supporters of Enosis and Taksim for the creation of the 1960 constitution, which were Turkey, Greece and UK and their Nationalist supporters.! Today however, only Taksim is still alive and well. Until the Taksim dream is also extinguished, there can never be democratic Cyprus which means no peace. This would have suited the Taksim supporters to be the case, but with the entry of the RoC into the EU in 2004 with 100% of the territory of Cyprus also in the EU, has thrown the "monkey wrench" into the Taksim dreamers. The only thing would have kept the Taksim dream alive with all of it's benefits, would have been the acceptance of the Annan Plan in 2004 or anything remotely close to another AP type of a plan in the future. It will not happen. Either full democratic Cyprus for all Cypriots or the status quo, because anything less, will mean Taksim will be yet achieved by the Taksim dreamers.!

Kiks, why not ask Pratis if he condemns Archbishop Makarios for signing the 1960 Constitution. This was a 'contract' and should have been adhered to and the GCs should NOT have attempted to make changes 'unilaterally'. But mentioning the 1960 Constitution is pointless isnt it? Its been broken a zillion times and beyond recognition. Why mention it at all. (I know it was not you on this thread who mentioned it first).

Acikgoz, dont you know Piratis is a robot? His brain only works the way it is programmed/brainwashed.

'Nuh der. Peygamber demez'.

Hi Deniz,

I think Piratis will argue, that no "contract" is legally valid when it is imposed on anyone when the persons imposing the "contract" were holding a "loaded gun " to the head of the person to accept it. Surely no sane person in their right mind would accept a "contract" of any kind that is designed to commit suicide, unless the choices were, that you can either "die" now or live a little longer and "die" later. We would all choose the second option in the hopes to change the"contract" at later stage with all those involved so to survive, which was attempted, but to no avail to change the "contract", but still alive and staying alive to draw a new "contract" where "suicide" is no longer imposed on Cypriots. I think that's what Piratis will tell you, Deniz. Perhaps I'm wrong and he would have chosen option one for Makarios for him to be "killed" right away than accept a "suicidal illegal contract".!

You would make a 'perfect' Defence Attorney...................for Pratis cause.

For all Cypriots, Deniz, including you.!:wink:

Whats your name again?

Errr, Perry Mason!

[denizaksulu]

Piratis, when are you going to admit that it was the GCs that broke the consitution of 1960s and disrupted the peace henceforth?
You come up with Nazis etc. but bottom line is GCs didn't want us in our new united Cyprus. There was ethnic cleansing and apartheid orcestrated by GCs. All your rhetoric does not obfuscate those actions.

I am not here to claim all innocence for TCs, but to remind people not to buy into the garbage you are selling on the blame game that is Cyprus politics.

When are you going to admit that the 1960 constitution was already broken when it was created with it's provisions of non Democratic system, apartheid, Human Rights violation which was a pretext for Enosis and Taksim to take place. If Enosis and Taksim was not a factor, then the 1960 constitution would have been just as democratic as any other country in Europe. You can thank the supporters of Enosis and Taksim for the creation of the 1960 constitution, which were Turkey, Greece and UK and their Nationalist supporters.! Today however, only Taksim is still alive and well. Until the Taksim dream is also extinguished, there can never be democratic Cyprus which means no peace. This would have suited the Taksim supporters to be the case, but with the entry of the RoC into the EU in 2004 with 100% of the territory of Cyprus also in the EU, has thrown the "monkey wrench" into the Taksim dreamers. The only thing would have kept the Taksim dream alive with all of it's benefits, would have been the acceptance of the Annan Plan in 2004 or anything remotely close to another AP type of a plan in the future. It will not happen. Either full democratic Cyprus for all Cypriots or the status quo, because anything less, will mean Taksim will be yet achieved by the Taksim dreamers.!

Kiks, why not ask Pratis if he condemns Archbishop Makarios for signing the 1960 Constitution. This was a 'contract' and should have been adhered to and the GCs should NOT have attempted to make changes 'unilaterally'. But mentioning the 1960 Constitution is pointless isnt it? Its been broken a zillion times and beyond recognition. Why mention it at all. (I know it was not you on this thread who mentioned it first).

Acikgoz, dont you know Piratis is a robot? His brain only works the way it is programmed/brainwashed.

'Nuh der. Peygamber demez'.

Hi Deniz,

I think Piratis will argue, that no "contract" is legally valid when it is imposed on anyone when the persons imposing the "contract" were holding a "loaded gun " to the head of the person to accept it. Surely no sane person in their right mind would accept a "contract" of any kind that is designed to commit suicide, unless the choices were, that you can either "die" now or live a little longer and "die" later. We would all choose the second option in the hopes to change the"contract" at later stage with all those involved so to survive, which was attempted, but to no avail to change the "contract", but still alive and staying alive to draw a new "contract" where "suicide" is no longer imposed on Cypriots. I think that's what Piratis will tell you, Deniz. Perhaps I'm wrong and he would have chosen option one for Makarios for him to be "killed" right away than accept a "suicidal illegal contract".!

You would make a 'perfect' Defence Attorney...................for Pratis cause.

For all Cypriots, Deniz, including you.!:wink:

Whats your name again?

Errr, Perry Mason!

I would be proud to be called Perry Mason.

[AWE]

Piratis, when are you going to admit that it was the GCs that broke the consitution of 1960s and disrupted the peace henceforth?
You come up with Nazis etc. but bottom line is GCs didn't want us in our new united Cyprus. There was ethnic cleansing and apartheid orcestrated by GCs. All your rhetoric does not obfuscate those actions.

I am not here to claim all innocence for TCs, but to remind people not to buy into the garbage you are selling on the blame game that is Cyprus politics.

When are you going to admit that the 1960 constitution was already broken when it was created with it's provisions of non Democratic system, apartheid, Human Rights violation which was a pretext for Enosis and Taksim to take place. If Enosis and Taksim was not a factor, then the 1960 constitution would have been just as democratic as any other country in Europe. You can thank the supporters of Enosis and Taksim for the creation of the 1960 constitution, which were Turkey, Greece and UK and their Nationalist supporters.! Today however, only Taksim is still alive and well. Until the Taksim dream is also extinguished, there can never be democratic Cyprus which means no peace. This would have suited the Taksim supporters to be the case, but with the entry of the RoC into the EU in 2004 with 100% of the territory of Cyprus also in the EU, has thrown the "monkey wrench" into the Taksim dreamers. The only thing would have kept the Taksim dream alive with all of it's benefits, would have been the acceptance of the Annan Plan in 2004 or anything remotely close to another AP type of a plan in the future. It will not happen. Either full democratic Cyprus for all Cypriots or the status quo, because anything less, will mean Taksim will be yet achieved by the Taksim dreamers.!

And the status quo isn't taksim?

Not legally, hence the north maintaining it's illegal status as far as the UN and the world is concerned along with embargoes imposed on the north. That is far different than being an legal entity with all it's rights afforded to the north as enjoyed by all independent nations.!

De facto taksim then either de factor or de jure it is still taksim

[zan]

Piratis, when are you going to admit that it was the GCs that broke the consitution of 1960s and disrupted the peace henceforth?
You come up with Nazis etc. but bottom line is GCs didn't want us in our new united Cyprus. There was ethnic cleansing and apartheid orcestrated by GCs. All your rhetoric does not obfuscate those actions.

I am not here to claim all innocence for TCs, but to remind people not to buy into the garbage you are selling on the blame game that is Cyprus politics.

When are you going to admit that the 1960 constitution was already broken when it was created with it's provisions of non Democratic system, apartheid, Human Rights violation which was a pretext for Enosis and Taksim to take place. If Enosis and Taksim was not a factor, then the 1960 constitution would have been just as democratic as any other country in Europe. You can thank the supporters of Enosis and Taksim for the creation of the 1960 constitution, which were Turkey, Greece and UK and their Nationalist supporters.! Today however, only Taksim is still alive and well. Until the Taksim dream is also extinguished, there can never be democratic Cyprus which means no peace. This would have suited the Taksim supporters to be the case, but with the entry of the RoC into the EU in 2004 with 100% of the territory of Cyprus also in the EU, has thrown the "monkey wrench" into the Taksim dreamers. The only thing would have kept the Taksim dream alive with all of it's benefits, would have been the acceptance of the Annan Plan in 2004 or anything remotely close to another AP type of a plan in the future. It will not happen. Either full democratic Cyprus for all Cypriots or the status quo, because anything less, will mean Taksim will be yet achieved by the Taksim dreamers.!

Kiks, why not ask Pratis if he condemns Archbishop Makarios for signing the 1960 Constitution. This was a 'contract' and should have been adhered to and the GCs should NOT have attempted to make changes 'unilaterally'. But mentioning the 1960 Constitution is pointless isnt it? Its been broken a zillion times and beyond recognition. Why mention it at all. (I know it was not you on this thread who mentioned it first).

Acikgoz, dont you know Piratis is a robot? His brain only works the way it is programmed/brainwashed.

'Nuh der. Peygamber demez'.

Hi Deniz,

I think Piratis will argue, that no "contract" is legally valid when it is imposed on anyone when the persons imposing the "contract" were holding a "loaded gun " to the head of the person to accept it. Surely no sane person in their right mind would accept a "contract" of any kind that is designed to commit suicide, unless the choices were, that you can either "die" now or live a little longer and "die" later. We would all choose the second option in the hopes to change the"contract" at later stage with all those involved so to survive, which was attempted, but to no avail to change the "contract", but still alive and staying alive to draw a new "contract" where "suicide" is no longer imposed on Cypriots. I think that's what Piratis will tell you, Deniz. Perhaps I'm wrong and he would have chosen option one for Makarios for him to be "killed" right away than accept a "suicidal illegal contract".!

Who was holding which gun to whose head...That guy with the funny hat that was screaming for ENOSIS.......What bastards......Give me some names and I will hunt them down...

[bill cobbett]

Piratis, when are you going to admit that it was the GCs that broke the consitution of 1960s and disrupted the peace henceforth?
You come up with Nazis etc. but bottom line is GCs didn't want us in our new united Cyprus. There was ethnic cleansing and apartheid orcestrated by GCs. All your rhetoric does not obfuscate those actions.

I am not here to claim all innocence for TCs, but to remind people not to buy into the garbage you are selling on the blame game that is Cyprus politics.

When are you going to admit that the 1960 constitution was already broken when it was created with it's provisions of non Democratic system, apartheid, Human Rights violation which was a pretext for Enosis and Taksim to take place. If Enosis and Taksim was not a factor, then the 1960 constitution would have been just as democratic as any other country in Europe. You can thank the supporters of Enosis and Taksim for the creation of the 1960 constitution, which were Turkey, Greece and UK and their Nationalist supporters.! Today however, only Taksim is still alive and well. Until the Taksim dream is also extinguished, there can never be democratic Cyprus which means no peace. This would have suited the Taksim supporters to be the case, but with the entry of the RoC into the EU in 2004 with 100% of the territory of Cyprus also in the EU, has thrown the "monkey wrench" into the Taksim dreamers. The only thing would have kept the Taksim dream alive with all of it's benefits, would have been the acceptance of the Annan Plan in 2004 or anything remotely close to another AP type of a plan in the future. It will not happen. Either full democratic Cyprus for all Cypriots or the status quo, because anything less, will mean Taksim will be yet achieved by the Taksim dreamers.!

Kiks, why not ask Pratis if he condemns Archbishop Makarios for signing the 1960 Constitution. This was a 'contract' and should have been adhered to and the GCs should NOT have attempted to make changes 'unilaterally'. But mentioning the 1960 Constitution is pointless isnt it? Its been broken a zillion times and beyond recognition. Why mention it at all. (I know it was not you on this thread who mentioned it first).

Acikgoz, dont you know Piratis is a robot? His brain only works the way it is programmed/brainwashed.

'Nuh der. Peygamber demez'.

Hi Deniz,

I think Piratis will argue, that no "contract" is legally valid when it is imposed on anyone when the persons imposing the "contract" were holding a "loaded gun " to the head of the person to accept it. Surely no sane person in their right mind would accept a "contract" of any kind that is designed to commit suicide, unless the choices were, that you can either "die" now or live a little longer and "die" later. We would all choose the second option in the hopes to change the"contract" at later stage with all those involved so to survive, which was attempted, but to no avail to change the "contract", but still alive and staying alive to draw a new "contract" where "suicide" is no longer imposed on Cypriots. I think that's what Piratis will tell you, Deniz. Perhaps I'm wrong and he would have chosen option one for Makarios for him to be "killed" right away than accept a "suicidal illegal contract".!

Who was holding which gun to whose head...That guy with the funny hat that was screaming for ENOSIS.......What bastards......Give me some names and I will hunt them down...

Freddie! You're back!.....