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[zan]

"Individuals die. Our nation will not. Until our land is returned to us there will be a problem that we will solve when we will have the power to do so, regardless if this will be tomorrow or in 100 years."

Piratis has made things very clear by taking a leaf out of Hitler's book. Piratis gives an excellent Nazi view of the nation, the pyre of which he is prepared to throw the protesting body of any dissenting individual, Cypriot or otherwise. Yours, Piratis, is the clearest statement of fascism on this forum.

He should have tried writing in code and we could have compared him to Nostradamus.......

[Nikitas]

"Having met Bananiot 3-4 times I wouldn’t call him naïve… but one who does deals! "

Well, I would never had figured Bananiot as a wheeler dealer.

[Acikgoz]

Bananiot is quick to accuse others of being naive, yet he talks with authority that if we had accepted the Annan plan Turkey would somehow abandon its cynicism and turn into a paragon of honor and virtue and would self limit the colonisation of the north.

I never saw Bana say that. Post AP Turkey wouldn't have had the right anyway, or are you doing a Pratis super conspiracy contingency paranoia assumption so best over protect lest the devil comes out and gobbles us whole?

[Piratis]

"Individuals die. Our nation will not. Until our land is returned to us there will be a problem that we will solve when we will have the power to do so, regardless if this will be tomorrow or in 100 years."

Piratis has made things very clear by taking a leaf out of Hitler's book. Piratis gives an excellent Nazi view of the nation, the pyre of which he is prepared to throw the protesting body of any dissenting individual, Cypriot or otherwise. Yours, Piratis, is the clearest statement of fascism on this forum.

Lets see what the Nazis did:

They invaded foreign countries - Just like the Turks invaded Cyprus.

They invaded Czechoslovakia with the pretext of protecting the German minority - The exact same pretext the Turks used to invade Cyprus - supposedly to "protect" their minority.

They committed genocides and ethnic cleansings - The Turks were the grandmasters of genocides and taught the Nazis how they are done.

Not a lot of difference between German Nazis and Turkish Nazis.

On the other hand what I want is to liberate our own lands from these Nazi Turks. Just like the allies did in WWII. And when Czechoslovakia was liberated they even kicked the German minority out of the country so the Germans would not be able to use them as a pretext again.

We fight against the Nazi invaders who are trying to expand against our island. Their soldiers and their Settlers are they means they use to Turkify our island. You think we will write off our lands because a few decades passed? You are an idiot if you think so.

The presence of the occupation troops and the Settlers in Cyprus is a crime committed by Turkey. Instead of blaming Turkey for ethnically cleansing 100s of thousands of Cypriot people and bringing illegally to Cyprus 10s of thousands of Settlers, you instead try to blame the Cypriot people. But of course we didn't expect any better from a Nazi supporter like yourself.

[Piratis]

Pratis, I now see this going on for a few decades, consider most the immigrants came in the last decade, their children will be born here, they will have made their homes and lives here. You will never be able to "get rid of them". THEY ARE HERE TO STAY, and they are a damn sight closer to countrymen than our supposed bretheren the Greek Cypriots.

When Crete was liberated they send all the Turks back to Turkey even though those Turks were in Crete for 2 centuries. So how do you know that the Turkish Settlers in Cyprus are "here to stay"?

The Turkish Settlers are not welcomed to Cyprus because they were brought here by Turkey with the intention of changing the demographics of our island. Therefore when Cyprus will be liberated they will go back to their homeland.

Piratis,you've often posted about the rights of people and how you are a supporter of human rights. Here you say that Turks were expelled from Crete despite two centuries of living there (on that logic French and British Canadians and British and Irish Australians should start packing their bags as well) in ....when ? .. in 1898. And you think that the ways and means of 1898 are okay for today ? Today international and other law,including basic human rights law - which you have repeatedly said are so important to you - has prohibited (quite rightly) exactly what you are advocating and sympathetic to. So which is it to be : respect of human rights and upholding international law or expelling Turks and Turkish Cypriots ? Which one Piratis ?

For all Turkish Cypriots their homeland is Cyprus (there's a clue in the suffix 'Cypriot'). For many if not most Turkish people in Cyprus the return to their 'homeland' would not be a choice but would be under coercion. And coercing people through an expulsion based on their ethnicity is what you've also said that you are against, ethnic cleansing. So which is it to be Piratis : consistency in respect of human rights and upholding international law or ethnic cleansing ? Which one, Piratis ?

Deporting the illegal Settlers is not "ethnic cleansing". Ethnic cleansing is what the Turks did against us, and the illegal Settlers that they bring on our island is yet another one of their crimes.

You have no problem with the ethnic cleansing of the Cypriot people and you want to force on Cyprus some "solution" based on the results of this ethnic cleansing that would create some "Turkish State" on land were Greeks have been the vast majority for 1000s of years, but you have a problem with us re-claiming our own territory and reverting the illegal Turkification attempted by Turkey?

Cyprus will be liberated sooner or later, and those settlers will be send back to Turkey regardless of how much time passes. If this will result in any human right violation of those people then the blame for this rest 100% on the Turkish government and the Turkish army.

If you push somebody down from a tall building you can't blame the law of gravity for his fall. Similarly if you send Settlers illegally to Cyprus you can't blame the Cypriots for enforcing their laws and defending their own country from the foreign invaders. The one responsible for the Settlers problem is Turkey and nobody else.

You are now in the eu where there are probably more than a million illegal imigrants some even criminals who the eu cannot deport whether they would like to or not , there is probably 4 hundred thousand in the uk alone, what chance has a new government in cyprus got of sending mainlanders back to turkey,they have NO chance,

First of all you are confusing Settlers with immigrants. There is no comparison between the two.

Secondly, I don't know about the UK, but in Cyprus when illegal immigrants are arrested they are deported unless they have valid reasons for asylum.

[Piratis]

Piratis thinks GC's have a legitimate right to kill anyone in the north TC's included (his supposed fellow countrymen) because Turkey occupies the north....and if I was to shoot him in retaliation to him shooting me he would call me a criminal for defending myself no matter what the circumstances, him being from the majority population and all....

I never said that we have the right to "kill anyone in the north". On the contrary I hope that nobody will be killed. The only thing that would justify the killing of anybody is if he tries to prevent the liberation of Cyprus.

[Acikgoz]

Piratis, when are you going to admit that it was the GCs that broke the consitution of 1960s and disrupted the peace henceforth?
You come up with Nazis etc. but bottom line is GCs didn't want us in our new united Cyprus. There was ethnic cleansing and apartheid orcestrated by GCs. All your rhetoric does not obfuscate those actions.

I am not here to claim all innocence for TCs, but to remind people not to buy into the garbage you are selling on the blame game that is Cyprus politics.

[Kikapu]

Piratis, when are you going to admit that it was the GCs that broke the consitution of 1960s and disrupted the peace henceforth?
You come up with Nazis etc. but bottom line is GCs didn't want us in our new united Cyprus. There was ethnic cleansing and apartheid orcestrated by GCs. All your rhetoric does not obfuscate those actions.

I am not here to claim all innocence for TCs, but to remind people not to buy into the garbage you are selling on the blame game that is Cyprus politics.

When are you going to admit that the 1960 constitution was already broken when it was created with it's provisions of non Democratic system, apartheid, Human Rights violation which was a pretext for Enosis and Taksim to take place. If Enosis and Taksim was not a factor, then the 1960 constitution would have been just as democratic as any other country in Europe. You can thank the supporters of Enosis and Taksim for the creation of the 1960 constitution, which were Turkey, Greece and UK and their Nationalist supporters.! Today however, only Taksim is still alive and well. Until the Taksim dream is also extinguished, there can never be democratic Cyprus which means no peace. This would have suited the Taksim supporters to be the case, but with the entry of the RoC into the EU in 2004 with 100% of the territory of Cyprus also in the EU, has thrown the "monkey wrench" into the Taksim dreamers. The only thing would have kept the Taksim dream alive with all of it's benefits, would have been the acceptance of the Annan Plan in 2004 or anything remotely close to another AP type of a plan in the future. It will not happen. Either full democratic Cyprus for all Cypriots or the status quo, because anything less, will mean Taksim will be yet achieved by the Taksim dreamers.!

[AWE]

Piratis, when are you going to admit that it was the GCs that broke the consitution of 1960s and disrupted the peace henceforth?
You come up with Nazis etc. but bottom line is GCs didn't want us in our new united Cyprus. There was ethnic cleansing and apartheid orcestrated by GCs. All your rhetoric does not obfuscate those actions.

I am not here to claim all innocence for TCs, but to remind people not to buy into the garbage you are selling on the blame game that is Cyprus politics.

When are you going to admit that the 1960 constitution was already broken when it was created with it's provisions of non Democratic system, apartheid, Human Rights violation which was a pretext for Enosis and Taksim to take place. If Enosis and Taksim was not a factor, then the 1960 constitution would have been just as democratic as any other country in Europe. You can thank the supporters of Enosis and Taksim for the creation of the 1960 constitution, which were Turkey, Greece and UK and their Nationalist supporters.! Today however, only Taksim is still alive and well. Until the Taksim dream is also extinguished, there can never be democratic Cyprus which means no peace. This would have suited the Taksim supporters to be the case, but with the entry of the RoC into the EU in 2004 with 100% of the territory of Cyprus also in the EU, has thrown the "monkey wrench" into the Taksim dreamers. The only thing would have kept the Taksim dream alive with all of it's benefits, would have been the acceptance of the Annan Plan in 2004 or anything remotely close to another AP type of a plan in the future. It will not happen. Either full democratic Cyprus for all Cypriots or the status quo, because anything less, will mean Taksim will be yet achieved by the Taksim dreamers.!

And the status quo isn't taksim?

[denizaksulu]

Piratis, when are you going to admit that it was the GCs that broke the consitution of 1960s and disrupted the peace henceforth?
You come up with Nazis etc. but bottom line is GCs didn't want us in our new united Cyprus. There was ethnic cleansing and apartheid orcestrated by GCs. All your rhetoric does not obfuscate those actions.

I am not here to claim all innocence for TCs, but to remind people not to buy into the garbage you are selling on the blame game that is Cyprus politics.

When are you going to admit that the 1960 constitution was already broken when it was created with it's provisions of non Democratic system, apartheid, Human Rights violation which was a pretext for Enosis and Taksim to take place. If Enosis and Taksim was not a factor, then the 1960 constitution would have been just as democratic as any other country in Europe. You can thank the supporters of Enosis and Taksim for the creation of the 1960 constitution, which were Turkey, Greece and UK and their Nationalist supporters.! Today however, only Taksim is still alive and well. Until the Taksim dream is also extinguished, there can never be democratic Cyprus which means no peace. This would have suited the Taksim supporters to be the case, but with the entry of the RoC into the EU in 2004 with 100% of the territory of Cyprus also in the EU, has thrown the "monkey wrench" into the Taksim dreamers. The only thing would have kept the Taksim dream alive with all of it's benefits, would have been the acceptance of the Annan Plan in 2004 or anything remotely close to another AP type of a plan in the future. It will not happen. Either full democratic Cyprus for all Cypriots or the status quo, because anything less, will mean Taksim will be yet achieved by the Taksim dreamers.!

Kiks, why not ask Pratis if he condemns Archbishop Makarios for signing the 1960 Constitution. This was a 'contract' and should have been adhered to and the GCs should NOT have attempted to make changes 'unilaterally'. But mentioning the 1960 Constitution is pointless isnt it? Its been broken a zillion times and beyond recognition. Why mention it at all. (I know it was not you on this thread who mentioned it first).

Acikgoz, dont you know Piratis is a robot? His brain only works the way it is programmed/brainwashed.

'Nuh der. Peygamber demez'.