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[Kikapu]

One of the (many) costs to GCs of voting down the AP was to give yet more time for the demographic composition of northern Cyprus to be changed against TCs. In addition, given that Turkish 'settlers' tend to politically support the nationalist right, the effect was to make a negotiated settlement of the Cyprus Problem even more difficult and more unlikely.

What more can we say ? No settlement package is ever going to be perfect:the best any side will get is that it is the least bad. AP had big problems for sure, but now a solution is even further away than ever and receding as fast.

One thing is, I think clear, if there is a settlement, the EU is *not* going to oversee a mass deportation of so-called settlers. The only question remains is that of what status 'settlers' and their children will have in a post-settlement Cyprus.

CopperLine, when you talk about mass deportation of the settlers, they will only be moving 50 miles or so to their own country. That is far less a distance (each way) than most Americans drive to work each day. But should the EU insist that they should stay, then without being citizens of Cyprus, they will be treated like 3rd class illegal aliens and denied good job opportunities at every turn, both by the GCs and the TCs.

If there was a settlement, I think the problem will solve itself if these settlers were to start paying rent to the free properties most occupy now and along with low prospects for good income to support themselves, they would return back to Turkey. Once there is a settlement in place and the north begins to prosper, it will become more expensive to live in the north than it is now. I can't see how these settlers are going to survive when treated as 3rd class illegal aliens.

As for the AP, had it passed, Cyprus would be swarmed by more settlers today, except they would have been able to obtain citizenships of Cyprus, issued by the north confederation Turkish state by the settlers fulfilling basics requirements, or through corrupt dealings to issue them for cash.

[Malapapa]

No settlement package is ever going to be perfect:the best any side will get is that it is the least bad.

Sadly, how things are is 'least bad' for Cypriots free of Turkey's iron grip.

[humanist]

there should be no settlement unless it takes the form of fair democratic and just society for all. One person one vote just like it is everywhere else in Europe. Christofias should forget talking to TC's and campaign the UN US and Britain to apply the same support they have for Israel Iraq and Afganistan

[Piratis]

One of the (many) costs to GCs of voting down the AP was to give yet more time for the demographic composition of northern Cyprus to be changed against TCs. In addition, given that Turkish 'settlers' tend to politically support the nationalist right, the effect was to make a negotiated settlement of the Cyprus Problem even more difficult and more unlikely.

What more can we say ? No settlement package is ever going to be perfect:the best any side will get is that it is the least bad. AP had big problems for sure, but now a solution is even further away than ever and receding as fast.

One thing is, I think clear, if there is a settlement, the EU is *not* going to oversee a mass deportation of so-called settlers. The only question remains is that of what status 'settlers' and their children will have in a post-settlement Cyprus.

There is no such thing as "so called Settlers". There are SETTLERS who were brought to Cyprus by Turkey illegally. If Turkey could move her Settlers illegally to Cyprus then sure as hell Cyprus can also move them out when a solution is found.

[Acikgoz]

Add a little fairy dust, say the magic words and pufff Kikapu returned to the land of crazy.

Maybe it's about time you have opened your eyes and stopped listing to fairly tales told to you for the last 36 years.!

Oh Kiki, you have never won an argument with me on facts therefore it is obvious it is you and not I that lives in the land of make believe.
So what we experienced and were "told" from 1963 to 1974 i.e. 47 years ago that part you don't deny. Bring it on big boy ready willing and able - this J-Lo thing has really got me pissed, as it has with many in the North.

Short sighted fool - live together, pull the other one - pan-Cypriot democracy, never in your lifetime. C'mon, where are all those Cypriots that say let's live together, what do you say now? We are not one people, our only commonality is that we were born on the same island. If we were countrymen then paths would be sought out to make our respective lives better, not worse.

[Acikgoz]

Pratis, I now see this going on for a few decades, consider most the immigrants came in the last decade, their children will be born here, they will have made their homes and lives here. You will never be able to "get rid of them". THEY ARE HERE TO STAY, and they are a damn sight closer to countrymen than our supposed bretheren the Greek Cypriots.

[Bananiot]

True solution, my foot, Piratis. In 2004 you voted for the Turkish army to stay in Cyprus and for the settlers to keep coming (sorry Kikapu, solution in 2004 would have stemmed the influx of settlers). Now you have the audacity to ask for true solution. Do you think this is a game and you can play or quit at will?

[Kikapu]

Add a little fairy dust, say the magic words and pufff Kikapu returned to the land of crazy.

Maybe it's about time you have opened your eyes and stopped listing to fairly tales told to you for the last 36 years.!

Oh Kiki, you have never won an argument with me on facts therefore it is obvious it is you and not I that lives in the land of make believe.
So what we experienced and were "told" from 1963 to 1974 i.e. 47 years ago that part you don't deny. Bring it on big boy ready willing and able - this J-Lo thing has really got me pissed, as it has with many in the North.

Short sighted fool - live together, pull the other one - pan-Cypriot democracy, never in your lifetime. C'mon, where are all those Cypriots that say let's live together, what do you say now? We are not one people, our only commonality is that we were born on the same island. If we were countrymen then paths would be sought out to make our respective lives better, not worse.

It sure sounds like it. You are sounding more like a disoriented drunk who is having trouble making a complete and coherent sentences at the moment.!

[Acikgoz]

What part did you not understand?

[humanist]

okay who is going to summarise it for me

what is the population of the occupied area of Cyprus?

What is the TC population of the occupied area of Cyprus?

What is the settler population of occupied Cyprus?

What is the British ex pat population in the occupied area of Cyprus?