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[Oracle]

We all know stealing is wrong. That is, taking something without someone's explicit permission and making it your 'own'. You can make excuses, but the bottom line is it's wrong!

Or, do you know better?

When is stealing not really stealing?

[Get Real!]

When is stealing not really stealing?

Me, me, me!!!

When the US, Britain, or Israel does it?

[DANGAMAN]

When is stealing not really stealing?

Me, me, me!!!

When the US, Britain, or Israel does it?

hahaha

[miltiades]

About a year ago we supplied an Italian restaurant with a Pasta cooker costing about £2000 , 4 months later still not paid, it was a gas operated cooker. I forged a letter pretending to be from the manufacturers outlining a fault that could render the gas cooker dangerous and asked the customer to contact the suppliers. He promptly did , offered some flimsy excuses for not paying and promised that when we put the fault right he would settle up. I asked that he pays my engineers at least £500 in cash as a gesture of goodwill. Engineers dispatched with strict instructions that the appliance had to be brought back to works for the necessary modifications , but also asked that they do not tell the customer this until the cat is in the bag. Off they went , soon back with £500 and fryer !!
Stealing or what !!

[denizaksulu]

We all know stealing is wrong. That is, taking something without someone's explicit permission and making it your 'own'. You can make excuses, but the bottom line is it's wrong!

Or, do you know better?

When is stealing not really stealing?

My property is being used by my GC compatriots. They do not have my permission. Is that stealing by your definition? The GC refugees living in our ancestral house in my village did not have our permission to do so; did they also steal from us? I state only these two cases because I would have two differing answers to these.

[Me Ed]

About a year ago we supplied an Italian restaurant with a Pasta cooker costing about £2000 , 4 months later still not paid, it was a gas operated cooker. I forged a letter pretending to be from the manufacturers outlining a fault that could render the gas cooker dangerous and asked the customer to contact the suppliers. He promptly did , offered some flimsy excuses for not paying and promised that when we put the fault right he would settle up. I asked that he pays my engineers at least £500 in cash as a gesture of goodwill. Engineers dispatched with strict instructions that the appliance had to be brought back to works for the necessary modifications , but also asked that they do not tell the customer this until the cat is in the bag. Off they went , soon back with £500 and fryer !!
Stealing or what !!

Wear and tear, depreciation and the cost to recover the item ...

I would say £500 is fair.

[Oracle]

We all know stealing is wrong. That is, taking something without someone's explicit permission and making it your 'own'. You can make excuses, but the bottom line is it's wrong!

Or, do you know better?

When is stealing not really stealing?

My property is being used by my GC compatriots. They do not have my permission. Is that stealing by your definition? The GC refugees living in our ancestral house in my village did not have our permission to do so; did they also steal from us? I state only these two cases because I would have two differing answers to these.

Are they officially claiming it as their "own"? You'll probably find they are not. Do your "TC" compatriots have their ancestral home? Are they officially claiming it as their own? You'll probably find they are!

[denizaksulu]

We all know stealing is wrong. That is, taking something without someone's explicit permission and making it your 'own'. You can make excuses, but the bottom line is it's wrong!

Or, do you know better?

When is stealing not really stealing?

My property is being used by my GC compatriots. They do not have my permission. Is that stealing by your definition? The GC refugees living in our ancestral house in my village did not have our permission to do so; did they also steal from us? I state only these two cases because I would have two differing answers to these.

Are they officially claiming it as their "own"? You'll probably find they are not. Do your "TC" compatriots have their ancestral home? Are they officially claiming it as their own? You'll probably find they are!

If they are using it as their own and reaping the harvests of the trees, using the land for agriculture and making a living out of it; surely is covered by your description of theft.

[Oracle]

We all know stealing is wrong. That is, taking something without someone's explicit permission and making it your 'own'. You can make excuses, but the bottom line is it's wrong!

Or, do you know better?

When is stealing not really stealing?

My property is being used by my GC compatriots. They do not have my permission. Is that stealing by your definition? The GC refugees living in our ancestral house in my village did not have our permission to do so; did they also steal from us? I state only these two cases because I would have two differing answers to these.

Are they officially claiming it as their "own"? You'll probably find they are not. Do your "TC" compatriots have their ancestral home? Are they officially claiming it as their own? You'll probably find they are!

If they are using it as their own and reaping the harvests of the trees, using the land for agriculture and making a living out of it; surely is covered by your description of theft.

What is your "description of theft"?

You ignored the "ownership" stipulation.

We came to be, on this Earth, without choice. We inhabit it, eat, drink to live and then depart as we came, without claim, unless we have some officially designated right to leave some part specifically to another by virtue of a historical recognised achievement in establishing that claim.

[denizaksulu]

We all know stealing is wrong. That is, taking something without someone's explicit permission and making it your 'own'. You can make excuses, but the bottom line is it's wrong!

Or, do you know better?

When is stealing not really stealing?

My property is being used by my GC compatriots. They do not have my permission. Is that stealing by your definition? The GC refugees living in our ancestral house in my village did not have our permission to do so; did they also steal from us? I state only these two cases because I would have two differing answers to these.

Are they officially claiming it as their "own"? You'll probably find they are not. Do your "TC" compatriots have their ancestral home? Are they officially claiming it as their own? You'll probably find they are!

If they are using it as their own and reaping the harvests of the trees, using the land for agriculture and making a living out of it; surely is covered by your description of theft.

What is your "description of theft"?

You ignored the "ownership" stipulation.

We came to be, on this Earth, without choice. We inhabit it, eat, drink to live and then depart as we came, without claim, unless we have some officially designated right to leave some part specifically to another by virtue of a historical recognised achievement in establishing that claim.

Stop playing with words Oracle. They make it their own by using it as their own and profiting from it too. Do any GC who use TC property pay rent to the owners or pay any share of their profits to the TCs?

As we and I have always claimed it all depends on a pice of paper. This has never stopped a number of GCs on this forum calling ALL TCs thieves just because they own and enjoy GC properties just like the GCs do in the south. I say this being mindful of other illegalities that does take place of re-selling of these properties to third party buyers for a profit.