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[Oracle]

We all know stealing is wrong. That is, taking something without someone's explicit permission and making it your 'own'. You can make excuses, but the bottom line is it's wrong!

Or, do you know better?

When is stealing not really stealing?

My property is being used by my GC compatriots. They do not have my permission. Is that stealing by your definition? The GC refugees living in our ancestral house in my village did not have our permission to do so; did they also steal from us? I state only these two cases because I would have two differing answers to these.

Are they officially claiming it as their "own"? You'll probably find they are not. Do your "TC" compatriots have their ancestral home? Are they officially claiming it as their own? You'll probably find they are!

If they are using it as their own and reaping the harvests of the trees, using the land for agriculture and making a living out of it; surely is covered by your description of theft.

What is your "description of theft"?

You ignored the "ownership" stipulation.

We came to be, on this Earth, without choice. We inhabit it, eat, drink to live and then depart as we came, without claim, unless we have some officially designated right to leave some part specifically to another by virtue of a historical recognised achievement in establishing that claim.

Stop playing with words Oracle. They make it their own by using it as their own and profiting from it too. Do any GC who use TC property pay rent to the owners or pay any share of their profits to the TCs?

As we and I have always claimed it all depends on a pice of paper. This has never stopped a number of GCs on this forum calling ALL TCs thieves just because they own and enjoy GC properties just like the GCs do in the south. I say this being mindful of other illegalities that does take place of re-selling of these properties to third party buyers for a profit.

I didn't want this thread to turn political. But the difference which you are trying hard to deny is that the TCs have taken up "ownership" as far as rights are concerned whereas the GCs have not. What is more the TCs have taken over "ownership" not only from individuals but also from the RoC.

Now keep politics out of General Chat and answer me this: If a hairdresser cuts off your lovely locks and charges you 50 Euros, then goes on to sell your lovely locks behind your back and without your permission, to some floozy with big bucks, is that right?

[denizaksulu]

We all know stealing is wrong. That is, taking something without someone's explicit permission and making it your 'own'. You can make excuses, but the bottom line is it's wrong!

Or, do you know better?

When is stealing not really stealing?

My property is being used by my GC compatriots. They do not have my permission. Is that stealing by your definition? The GC refugees living in our ancestral house in my village did not have our permission to do so; did they also steal from us? I state only these two cases because I would have two differing answers to these.

Are they officially claiming it as their "own"? You'll probably find they are not. Do your "TC" compatriots have their ancestral home? Are they officially claiming it as their own? You'll probably find they are!

If they are using it as their own and reaping the harvests of the trees, using the land for agriculture and making a living out of it; surely is covered by your description of theft.

What is your "description of theft"?

You ignored the "ownership" stipulation.

We came to be, on this Earth, without choice. We inhabit it, eat, drink to live and then depart as we came, without claim, unless we have some officially designated right to leave some part specifically to another by virtue of a historical recognised achievement in establishing that claim.

Stop playing with words Oracle. They make it their own by using it as their own and profiting from it too. Do any GC who use TC property pay rent to the owners or pay any share of their profits to the TCs?

As we and I have always claimed it all depends on a pice of paper. This has never stopped a number of GCs on this forum calling ALL TCs thieves just because they own and enjoy GC properties just like the GCs do in the south. I say this being mindful of other illegalities that does take place of re-selling of these properties to third party buyers for a profit.

I didn't want this thread to turn political. But the difference which you are trying hard to deny is that the TCs have taken up "ownership" as far as rights are concerned whereas the GCs have not. What is more the TCs have taken over "ownership" not only from individuals but also from the RoC.

Now keep politics out of General Chat and answer me this: If a hairdresser cuts off your lovely locks and charges you 50 Euros, then goes on to sell your lovely locks behind your back and without your permission, to some floozy with big bucks, is that right?

I humbly apologise. I thought ALL your topics deep down had a political motive. One does not know when to take you seriously or not. I took you seriously, thats for sure. Say no more.

Oh no you havent What on earth made you shear your fleece?

I suppose the clippings are swept away and binned. You cant blame some entrepreneur for seeing gold lining the thrash bin and thinking better of it?
Did you sign a contract as to the fate of your locks?

[halil]

We all know stealing is wrong. That is, taking something without someone's explicit permission and making it your 'own'. You can make excuses, but the bottom line is it's wrong!

Or, do you know better?

When is stealing not really stealing?

My property is being used by my GC compatriots. They do not have my permission. Is that stealing by your definition? The GC refugees living in our ancestral house in my village did not have our permission to do so; did they also steal from us? I state only these two cases because I would have two differing answers to these.

Are they officially claiming it as their "own"? You'll probably find they are not. Do your "TC" compatriots have their ancestral home? Are they officially claiming it as their own? You'll probably find they are!

If they are using it as their own and reaping the harvests of the trees, using the land for agriculture and making a living out of it; surely is covered by your description of theft.

What is your "description of theft"?

You ignored the "ownership" stipulation.

We came to be, on this Earth, without choice. We inhabit it, eat, drink to live and then depart as we came, without claim, unless we have some officially designated right to leave some part specifically to another by virtue of a historical recognised achievement in establishing that claim.

Stop playing with words Oracle. They make it their own by using it as their own and profiting from it too. Do any GC who use TC property pay rent to the owners or pay any share of their profits to the TCs?

As we and I have always claimed it all depends on a pice of paper. This has never stopped a number of GCs on this forum calling ALL TCs thieves just because they own and enjoy GC properties just like the GCs do in the south. I say this being mindful of other illegalities that does take place of re-selling of these properties to third party buyers for a profit.

She and her CO's are very good Deniz playing with words.... She never talks about 103 villages that TC's left in 1963..... up to 74 who were getting benefits of those villages....after 74 population exchange between both sites those TC's left their homes and properties..... were they legally way of stealing for GC's......

what we are having now in Cyprus is the result of the ENOSIS demands of the their leaders Deniz....They are all playing very well with words.

let them to play .... play up to where ? !!!!!

[denizaksulu]

We all know stealing is wrong. That is, taking something without someone's explicit permission and making it your 'own'. You can make excuses, but the bottom line is it's wrong!

Or, do you know better?

When is stealing not really stealing?

My property is being used by my GC compatriots. They do not have my permission. Is that stealing by your definition? The GC refugees living in our ancestral house in my village did not have our permission to do so; did they also steal from us? I state only these two cases because I would have two differing answers to these.

Are they officially claiming it as their "own"? You'll probably find they are not. Do your "TC" compatriots have their ancestral home? Are they officially claiming it as their own? You'll probably find they are!

If they are using it as their own and reaping the harvests of the trees, using the land for agriculture and making a living out of it; surely is covered by your description of theft.

What is your "description of theft"?

You ignored the "ownership" stipulation.

We came to be, on this Earth, without choice. We inhabit it, eat, drink to live and then depart as we came, without claim, unless we have some officially designated right to leave some part specifically to another by virtue of a historical recognised achievement in establishing that claim.

Stop playing with words Oracle. They make it their own by using it as their own and profiting from it too. Do any GC who use TC property pay rent to the owners or pay any share of their profits to the TCs?

As we and I have always claimed it all depends on a pice of paper. This has never stopped a number of GCs on this forum calling ALL TCs thieves just because they own and enjoy GC properties just like the GCs do in the south. I say this being mindful of other illegalities that does take place of re-selling of these properties to third party buyers for a profit.

She and her CO's are very good Deniz playing with words.... She never talks about 103 villages that TC's left in 1963..... up to 74 who were getting benefits of those villages....after 74 population exchange between both sites those TC's left their homes and properties..... were they legally way of stealing for GC's......

what we are having now in Cyprus is the result of the ENOSIS demands of the their leaders Deniz....They are all playing very well with words.

let them to play .... play up to where ? !!!!!

You fall into the same trap as me Halil. This is the CHAT threads Ofcourse it is.

[paliometoxo]

What if you steal back something stolen from you, is that not ok?

[EPSILON]

We all know stealing is wrong. That is, taking something without someone's explicit permission and making it your 'own'. You can make excuses, but the bottom line is it's wrong!

Or, do you know better?

When is stealing not really stealing?

My property is being used by my GC compatriots. They do not have my permission. Is that stealing by your definition? The GC refugees living in our ancestral house in my village did not have our permission to do so; did they also steal from us? I state only these two cases because I would have two differing answers to these.

Is the popularity of Tukish people stupid? This must be the case .Was any G/c dreaming to move from his house and stay in your gipsy houses in South? Did any G/c pushed you out of your house ? -If you do not remmbr-if you are too young -Dengtash puhed you out not G/cs.
The opposite side is a fully different case and he funny is that you can not nderstan it- You invated -you through out people from their premises , your clever leaders threat you by death in order to move North an now we have not your permission??We do not want neither your permission neithr your houses-what we want is just ours.

[denizaksulu]

We all know stealing is wrong. That is, taking something without someone's explicit permission and making it your 'own'. You can make excuses, but the bottom line is it's wrong!

Or, do you know better?

When is stealing not really stealing?

My property is being used by my GC compatriots. They do not have my permission. Is that stealing by your definition? The GC refugees living in our ancestral house in my village did not have our permission to do so; did they also steal from us? I state only these two cases because I would have two differing answers to these.

Is the popularity of Tukish people stupid? This must be the case .Was any G/c dreaming to move from his house and stay in your gipsy houses in South? Did any G/c pushed you out of your house ? -If you do not remmbr-if you are too young -Dengtash puhed you out not G/cs.
The opposite side is a fully different case and he funny is that you can not nderstan it- You invated -you through out people from their premises , your clever leaders threat you by death in order to move North an now we have not your permission??We do not want neither your permission neithr your houses-what we want is just ours.

Have you quite finished? Get back to sleep.

The refugees from Lapithos that live in our 'so called Gipsy houses are keen to stay there. You have no idea what you are talking about. And yes, they DO have my permission to stay there.

[Oracle]

We all know stealing is wrong. That is, taking something without someone's explicit permission and making it your 'own'. You can make excuses, but the bottom line is it's wrong!

Or, do you know better?

When is stealing not really stealing?

My property is being used by my GC compatriots. They do not have my permission. Is that stealing by your definition? The GC refugees living in our ancestral house in my village did not have our permission to do so; did they also steal from us? I state only these two cases because I would have two differing answers to these.

Is the popularity of Tukish people stupid? This must be the case .Was any G/c dreaming to move from his house and stay in your gipsy houses in South? Did any G/c pushed you out of your house ? -If you do not remmbr-if you are too young -Dengtash puhed you out not G/cs.
The opposite side is a fully different case and he funny is that you can not nderstan it- You invated -you through out people from their premises , your clever leaders threat you by death in order to move North an now we have not your permission??We do not want neither your permission neithr your houses-what we want is just ours.

Have you quite finished? Get back to sleep.

The refugees from Lapithos that live in our 'so called Gipsy houses are keen to stay there. You have no idea what you are talking about. And yes, they DO have my permission to stay there.

Make your mind up!

[insan]

This "thieveing and thieves" story is all about the faults of corrupt politicians of both sides and the so-called mediators...

Had any of them proposed...

1- Establishment of a bi-communal properties exchange and/or restitution and/or compensation board in between the years 1975-1980...

2- Gathering the information regarding the claims of the owners of these properties...

3- Materialising the exchange and/or restitution and/or compensation claims of claimants in frame of the mutually accepted agreements of 1977, 1979 etc...


Today, there would have been no "thieving and thieves"... There would have been happier "Cypriots" on both sides of Cyprus...

However, the main goal of the politicians of both sides and the so-calleed mediators and even some "wise" guys and gals here on this forum is just scoring a political point for their self-interest...

Damn! Not even one of the so-called NGOs or any so-called intellectual have come up with such an idea until now...

I many times put forward my opinion regarding this issue, on online versions of some news papers but not even just a single "Cypriot" has supported my opinions neither they opposed...

They simply ignored it... Is it really such a bad idea to establish a bi-communal properties board as i described above?

[denizaksulu]

We all know stealing is wrong. That is, taking something without someone's explicit permission and making it your 'own'. You can make excuses, but the bottom line is it's wrong!

Or, do you know better?

When is stealing not really stealing?

My property is being used by my GC compatriots. They do not have my permission. Is that stealing by your definition? The GC refugees living in our ancestral house in my village did not have our permission to do so; did they also steal from us? I state only these two cases because I would have two differing answers to these.

Is the popularity of Tukish people stupid? This must be the case .Was any G/c dreaming to move from his house and stay in your gipsy houses in South? Did any G/c pushed you out of your house ? -If you do not remmbr-if you are too young -Dengtash puhed you out not G/cs.
The opposite side is a fully different case and he funny is that you can not nderstan it- You invated -you through out people from their premises , your clever leaders threat you by death in order to move North an now we have not your permission??We do not want neither your permission neithr your houses-what we want is just ours.

Have you quite finished? Get back to sleep.

The refugees from Lapithos that live in our 'so called Gipsy houses are keen to stay there. You have no idea what you are talking about. And yes, they DO have my permission to stay there.

Make your mind up!

In my first reply I did say there were possibly two different answers.

When they took over, they had no permission. Now they do. Thats why I said twoo answers were possible.