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The case of Raoul Moat.

Postby Schnauzer » Wed Jul 07, 2010 7:40 pm

This 'Armed and Dangerous' man, whose story has captured the headlines in almost every British newspaper and who now (presumably) is a threat to every police officer within pistol shot.

He is now being hounded by hundreds of highly trained armour-clad enthusiastic gunslingers who are intent upon his demise.................BUT........ hang on a minute, has this man not stated that he feels 'Harmed' and that the 'Harm' he suffered directly as a result of his involvement with the police led him to become 'Armed' ?.

Of course, one cannot condone the fact that he has taken life and attempted to take (and threatened to take) even more, yet I do think that the exposure in the press is a tad over the top.

It is known that he was apt to take steroids as part of his desire to build his body bulk, it is also known that over-indulgence can/may affect a persons personality (he may have done so) and that violence is one of the symptons conducive with such over-indulgence (if he has done so).

Coupled with the loss of his home, business, sweetheart and family, (which he clearly states was brought about by police involvement) would it not make more sense to try to make contact and REASON with the man ?.

I do hope that this man's predicament is not going to be used as some kind of anathema which will give the general public something other than the loss of a football match to think of, I really think that a gentler approach may produce a more civilized solution than a 'Shoot Out' in the woods (or elsewhere).

There has been enough killing and any FOOL will know that a cornered quarry is a dangerous one, 'Armed or Otherwise'.

IMHO :wink:
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Re: The case of Raoul Moat.

Postby ttoli » Wed Jul 07, 2010 8:00 pm

Schnauzer wrote:Coupled with the loss of his home, business, sweetheart and family, (which he clearly states was brought about by police involvement) would it not make more sense to try to make contact and REASON with the man ?.
IMHO :wink:
You really want a serious response to that?,
He broke the law hence the police became involved,thus he lost his home, business, sweetheart and family, (which he clearly states was brought about by police involvement) add to that a good dose of domestic violence, BUT ITS NOT HIS FAULT??????, Then he shoots an unarmed Police Officer???,But hey obviously IT WASNT HIS FAULT!!!!, Hunt him down and prevent him from endangering others BY ANY MEANS NECESSARY!!!!, Police cant win here, If another bystander is shot, they'll be crucified for not doing anything.
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Re: The case of Raoul Moat.

Postby Jerry » Wed Jul 07, 2010 8:09 pm

Schnauzer wrote: would it not make more sense to try to make contact and REASON with the man ?.


There have been several broadcasts on national radio asking Moat to give himself up peacefully. After the massacre that happened in Cumbria a few weeks ago the police are not taking any chances - can you blame them?
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Re: The case of Raoul Moat.

Postby Schnauzer » Wed Jul 07, 2010 8:37 pm

ttoli wrote:
Schnauzer wrote:Coupled with the loss of his home, business, sweetheart and family, (which he clearly states was brought about by police involvement) would it not make more sense to try to make contact and REASON with the man ?.
IMHO :wink:
You really want a serious response to that?,
He broke the law hence the police became involved,thus he lost his home, business, sweetheart and family, (which he clearly states was brought about by police involvement) add to that a good dose of domestic violence, BUT ITS NOT HIS FAULT??????, Then he shoots an unarmed Police Officer???,But hey obviously IT WASNT HIS FAULT!!!!, Hunt him down and prevent him from endangering others BY ANY MEANS NECESSARY!!!!, Police cant win here, If another bystander is shot, they'll be crucified for not doing anything.


Actually, my intention was to attract a response which would endorse my theory that the whole scenario is somewhat over exposed.

If you are unable to differentiate between a good news story and something of a 'Horse Opera', then pray continue to turn a blind eye to the reasons for why so many violent incidents occur throughout the land.

It must surely occur to you that this 'Armed and Dangerous' man MUST be suffering from great stress ?, if that be so (and I do hope you can appreciate the possibility) it should also occur to you that a fully equipped battalion of 'armed to the teeth' police officers, intent on a kill, probably pose a greater threat to the safety of the general public than a lone (possibly mentally traumatised) man with a pop-gun.

Personally, I hope the chap survives this ordeal and that nobody gets hurt, THAT (in my opinion) would represent sound judgement and good police work.

I can see no glory (or necessity) to adopt a posture of WAR in this case and the deployment of armoured vehicles and helicopters DOES seem to me to be a little over the top (as stated) don't you think ?.

Incidentally, I thought the new official idea in law enforcement was to ensure that police funds were to be spent sensibly, I cannot link sense (even common sense) to the manner in which this spectacle has been conducted. :roll:
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Re: The case of Raoul Moat.

Postby Schnauzer » Wed Jul 07, 2010 8:41 pm

Jerry wrote:
Schnauzer wrote: would it not make more sense to try to make contact and REASON with the man ?.


There have been several broadcasts on national radio asking Moat to give himself up peacefully. After the massacre that happened in Cumbria a few weeks ago the police are not taking any chances - can you blame them?


I am sure Raoul Moat is avidly listening to the radio in the middle of 'God Knows Where', perhaps he also has a television tucked in his 'Sporran'. :lol: :wink:
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Re: The case of Raoul Moat.

Postby Jerry » Wed Jul 07, 2010 9:02 pm

Schnauzer wrote:
Jerry wrote:
Schnauzer wrote: would it not make more sense to try to make contact and REASON with the man ?.


There have been several broadcasts on national radio asking Moat to give himself up peacefully. After the massacre that happened in Cumbria a few weeks ago the police are not taking any chances - can you blame them?


I am sure Raoul Moat is avidly listening to the radio in the middle of 'God Knows Where', perhaps he also has a television tucked in his 'Sporran'. :lol: :wink:


Well he managed to get hold of an illegal weapon, a tent and presumably some other goods to sustain himself so why not a portable radio. I don't think a TV would fit in a sporran :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Re: The case of Raoul Moat.

Postby Schnauzer » Wed Jul 07, 2010 10:11 pm

Jerry wrote:
Schnauzer wrote:
Jerry wrote:
Schnauzer wrote: would it not make more sense to try to make contact and REASON with the man ?.


There have been several broadcasts on national radio asking Moat to give himself up peacefully. After the massacre that happened in Cumbria a few weeks ago the police are not taking any chances - can you blame them?


I am sure Raoul Moat is avidly listening to the radio in the middle of 'God Knows Where', perhaps he also has a television tucked in his 'Sporran'. :lol: :wink:


Well he managed to get hold of an illegal weapon, a tent and presumably some other goods to sustain himself so why not a portable radio. I don't think a TV would fit in a sporran :lol: :lol: :lol:


The manner in which the cops have dealt and are dealing with this matter, conjures up images of the hunt for 'John Rambo' IMHO, I do wonder if the extraordinary deployment of so much force coupled with all the armaments thereto, are not purposely being fielded by a police force which will ultimately have a strong case to support their disenchantment with the recent monetary cutbacks announced by their new government.

Does anyone truly believe that such measures are necessary to capture ONE fugitive ?.

When Tony Blair ringed Heathrow airport with tanks (out of concern for public safety) and neglected to even monitor the surrounding roads (from which ground to air missiles could have been launched) the action was deemed a success since it captured the public's imagination.

It would appear that the country is now agog, waiting to hear of the dispatch of 'Public Enemy No1' upon whose head a reward of £10,000 is offered, such a sum would hardly stir 'ROONEY' off his arse to tackle a German defender, I do wonder if the UK is so short of funds (for the police forces) that it will soon resort to nailng up 'Wanted' posters on trees in the woods where fugitives may be hiding. :?: :wink:
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Re: The case of Raoul Moat.

Postby Jerry » Wed Jul 07, 2010 10:34 pm

Does anyone truly believe that such measures are necessary to capture ONE fugitive ?.


When you consider how many people Derrick Bird murdered in Cumbria in just a few hours then the answer has to be yes.
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Postby CBBB » Wed Jul 07, 2010 11:10 pm

Leave Schnauzer alone, obviously been in the pub all day to post such a load of bollocks!
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Postby apc2010 » Wed Jul 07, 2010 11:22 pm

police issued a warning that he may be armed .............no s**t sherlock he has shot 3 people....
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