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[eddie]

schnauzer a man kills 1 innocent man shoots the woman he supposed to love then blinds an unarmed policeman and you try to defend this maniac , you are what is wrong in british society today . moat should not even have had a choice, the police should have given him 1 warning and then shot the murdering bastard, you make me sick

[BOF]

Agree with your comments, But Eddie is old Arschgesicht british?
he seems to "observe them as animals in a zoo" which means hes
just another brit hater, doesnt seemed concerend about police tactics in US or Cyprus or Nigeria or anywhere else....just UK.
wonder if he will enlighten us with his place of origin or hide behind his doggy name...

Perhaps "Neugierig" would like to comment on the vagaries of the 80 yr old Cypriot who shot his son in law because he parked in the wrong place?
What pressures he was under??

[Schnauzer]

Agree with your comments, But Eddie is old Arschgesicht british?
he seems to "observe them as animals in a zoo" which means hes
just another brit hater, doesnt seemed concerend about police tactics in US or Cyprus or Nigeria or anywhere else....just UK.
wonder if he will enlighten us with his place of origin or hide behind his doggy name...

Perhaps "Neugierig" would like to comment on the vagaries of the 80 yr old Cypriot who shot his son in law because he parked in the wrong place?
What pressures he was under??

Good morning gentlemen (eddie and BOF) and may I say that I am delighted to note your comments since they confirm that which I have (from the outset) tried to explain to those (who seemingly like you) are quite unable to analyse ANY incident outside of that which is reported to them through the media.

I have never indicated that I agreed with the activities of Raoul Moat and therefore dispute the manner in which you attack my comments.

Be assured of one thing gentlemen, 'I' am in the habit of considering the reasons which lie behind such ghastly events and, if you would care to read carefully THAT which preceded your two-pronged attack, you may even discover that almost every observation I have made (relevent to the case) has been proven correct.

That Raoul Moat WAS hounded by the police, that he WAS taking 'Steroids' (or some other mood affecting drug) that his shotgun WAS loaded with small charge shot.

ALL the above I reasoned PRIOR to that which was reported in the press (for the likes of YOU to read).

Furthermore, as I understand it, there now seems to be a new revelation (in the form of a fifty page confession) which confirms those points.

Raoul Moat took his revenge firstly on a man that was interfering with the love of his life whilst he was incarcerated, under such circumstances and coupled with his mental condition, he was probably incapable of dealing with the situation, therefore, the fault lies with the integrity of those who dishonoured HIM.

Whether or not he was justified in his actions is a moot point BUT, in other countries, such an action would be seen perfectly just.

As to his vendetta against the police, READ his fifty page missive and draw your own conclusions.

Finally, what I think of the Brits is of little consequence, my honest opinion is that they are unfortunately a little too prone to display an acceptance to what they are directed to think, rather than the ability to think for themselves (which places YOU two in THAT category).

If one were to generalize, one would have to admit that the majority of Brits are basically decent folk, again unfortunately, the youth of the nation are somewhat inclined to let them down, probably on account of the fact that they too are unable to think for themselves in that they are supposed to be 'Ambassadors' for their own country when they venture abroad (particularly to MINE, Cyprus.)

[Schnauzer]

Incidentally eddie, welcome to the forum.

[apc2010]

Would there have been such a massive "man-hunt" if he had not shot a policeman, I think not.....

[Schnauzer]

Would there have been such a massive "man-hunt" if he had not shot a policeman, I think not.....

Absolutely NOT apc2010, the whole scenario will have to come under scrutiny now that Raoul Moat's written account (of fifty pages) has been made available, it is becoming increasingly obvious that the REAL object of the exercise was to highlight the fact that 'Cutbacks' were imminent in the near future; THIS case was a Godsend to the police in that they could emphasize how much such activities can cost the taxpayer.

Can anyone truly justify the import of armoured vehicles and 'Swat Teams' to hunt down a mentally disturbed man armed with a small shot gun ?.

The S.A.S. took the Iranian Embassy with four men (Siege Situation) in a matter of minutes, why, I could have resolved the 'Moat' situation myself (as could his brother OR even Gazza) with a few reassuring words.

Unfortunately I was not asked and in any case, I was having a shite at the time !.

[apc2010]

Would there have been such a massive "man-hunt" if he had not shot a policeman, I think not.....

Absolutely NOT apc2010, the whole scenario will have to come under scrutiny now that Raoul Moat's written account (of fifty pages) has been made available, it is becoming increasingly obvious that the REAL object of the exercise was to highlight the fact that 'Cutbacks' were imminent in the near future; THIS case was a Godsend to the police in that they could emphasize how much such activities can cost the taxpayer.

Can anyone truly justify the import of armoured vehicles and 'Swat Teams' to hunt down a mentally disturbed man armed with a small shot gun ?.

The S.A.S. took the Iranian Embassy with four men (Siege Situation) in a matter of minutes, why, I could have resolved the 'Moat' situation myself (as could his brother OR even Gazza) with a few reassuring words.

Unfortunately I was not asked and in any case, I was having a shite at the time !.

They could not catch Derrick Bird , and he was not exactly hiding ......

[Schnauzer]

Would there have been such a massive "man-hunt" if he had not shot a policeman, I think not.....

Absolutely NOT apc2010, the whole scenario will have to come under scrutiny now that Raoul Moat's written account (of fifty pages) has been made available, it is becoming increasingly obvious that the REAL object of the exercise was to highlight the fact that 'Cutbacks' were imminent in the near future; THIS case was a Godsend to the police in that they could emphasize how much such activities can cost the taxpayer.

Can anyone truly justify the import of armoured vehicles and 'Swat Teams' to hunt down a mentally disturbed man armed with a small shot gun ?.

The S.A.S. took the Iranian Embassy with four men (Siege Situation) in a matter of minutes, why, I could have resolved the 'Moat' situation myself (as could his brother OR even Gazza) with a few reassuring words.

Unfortunately I was not asked and in any case, I was having a shite at the time !.

They could not catch Derrick Bird , and he was not exactly hiding ......

On page 2 (Wed 7th) I made some observations on this case since another member brought up the subject, it struck me that there were certain elements that bore some similarities with the case of Raoul Moat.

Once again I would like to stress that I do not condone the behaviour of either of these two men BUT, a lesson should be learned from both of them that 'Authoritative Pressure' upon persons already suffering from either depression anxiety (or other) feelings of unease, can be the trigger to serious retaliatory actions from those feeling oppressed by such.

In the case of Derrick Bird, the circumstances which triggered his actions are also now well known, had he been treated differently, perhaps he too would still be among us.

The general attitude of those who are in 'Authority' (and may I say that there are many who should NOT be) invariably seems to be directed towards 'Tightening Up', it occurs to me (and I am sure I cannot be alone) that some person 'In Authority' should have the good sense to try a little 'Slackening Off', it may well prove to be an interesting experiment and, if tried, might even save lives plus millions of the taxpayer's pounds that are so often needlessly wasted or misused by the afoesaid persons supposedly 'In Authority'. IMHO.

[apc2010]

Surpise ,surpise , the ex girlfriend has sold her exclusive story for a 6 figure sum .,,,,,,,,,

[ttoli]

Would there have been such a massive "man-hunt" if he had not shot a policeman, I think not.....

Unfortunately I was not asked and in any case, I was having a shite at the time !.

I dont doubt it, you are certainly full of it,Wanker