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Possibility of ‘negotiated partition’ for Cyprus

Postby Acikgoz » Wed Jul 07, 2010 10:08 am

Report raises possibility of ‘negotiated partition’ for Cyprus

A recent study by a European institute suggests that as the international community is becoming increasingly frustrated by the lack of progress on a Cyprus settlement, the idea of a negotiated partition is gaining credence.

“If the two sides do not want to live together or either side’s goals are unattainable, then, instead of being forced into a new and unworkable marriage, they should agree a divorce on friendly terms,” wrote William Chislett in his paper “Cyprus: Time for a Negotiated Partition?” for the Elcano Royal Institute based in Madrid.

He points out that “exaggerated hopes of a deal,” particularly among the international community, were dashed when the former president of the internationally unrecognized Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus (KKTC), Mehmet Ali Talat, lost the presidency in April to hard-liner Derviş Eroğlu, whose victory is seen by the Greek-Cypriot side as a step backwards.

“A key crunch point could well come when the UN produces a progress report in November,” he stated. “If the UN concludes that there is no end in sight, that it has been unable to facilitate compromises on both sides and that the two sides are ultimately unwilling to share power, it would not be surprising if the UN withdrew its good offices mission.”

Chislett also stated that the Greek and Turkish-Cypriot leaders renewed negotiations in May for reunifying Cyprus, the only divided country in the EU.

He noted that little progress of substance was made during 19 months of talks between Dimitris Christofias, the Greek-Cypriot president, and Talat.

“The Republic of Cyprus will celebrate its 50th anniversary this October as the only divided country in the EU, following the collapse of the Berlin Wall in 1989. Thirty-six years after Turkey’s military intervention, the gulf separating Turkish- and Greek-Cypriot communities over a reunification settlement remains wide,” he also stated, adding that “the rhetoric on both sides is in favor of a solution, but the political will is still not there.”

He concludes that the possibility of easing the KKTC’s economic isolation, through enacting a direct trade initiative or something along these lines, offers “a glint of light in an otherwise pitch-black tunnel.”


The more I see the more I believe the way forward is for partition. With all its problems, probably of the Taiwanese kind. A simple review of the current J Lo controversy, the blocking of direct trade initiatives, the lack of progress in negotations, the vitriolic postings on this forum, the baying for blood of T/TC persons and the cheering of it when it happens. Partition is slow becoming a consideration that had hitherto never been discussed in the power circles.

The classic rebuttals will be presented on this forum, but the fact remains that the landscape is changing. Mass protests at even the question of a negotiatied partition will all the more underline the implausability of TC and GCs ever being able to find the respect and maturity to find a workable solution.

Such a move will cost TCs and GCs their perceived valuation of their respective expectations according to the type of settlement they believe will take place. However, real value would actually be created. A real foundation for building the trust, love, respect and cooperation can finally emerge as the lose lose game will be no longer open to the abuse of the politicians and hard liners on both sides. What will remain is the naked reality, rather than having someone else to blame all the time.
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Postby Nikitas » Wed Jul 07, 2010 12:54 pm

Acikgoz,

Kifeas a long time ago posted some maps showing what partition on a 18-82 ratio of territory would look like. And another map showing what a 12-88 (based on relative land ownership would look like. Maybe he can post them again if he can.

The word "negotiated" is a strange one. What exactly does one negotiate on such an issue? Territory is the most obvious, in fact the only issue, since a partition is the cutting off a piece from a recognised entity, the RoC in this case. So what exactly would be offered to the RoC to legalise this partition? Essentialy the RoC is the only entity that can legalise partition.

Has Turkey given any opinion on partition? Is Turkey able to live with a fully independent RoC next to its "soft underbelly"? Is partition preferable for Turkey to a unified, disarmed and neutral Cyprus? I wonder what the self declared strategist Davutoglu would say about this.

Is the TC community ready to deal with partition? Full independence, as opposed to suzerainty. presents a challenge that the TCs have never faced in the past. It would be an interesting experience for all those that say the embargoes are an obstacle to see how they will fare when their biggest market, the GCs, are cut off by an international frontier. TC products are competitive when they travel a few miles south, not so competitive when shipped a few thousand miles.

GCs have been forced to adapt to partition since 1974. And they have done it pretty well. IF a "negotiated" partition is brought about, and a respectable area of the island is returned, along with the British bases, the scope for increased development would be a boost to the GCs. One in which the TCs would not and could not participate.

I am sure there will be some more earthy comments about this from others. I look forward to reading them.
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Postby Gasman » Wed Jul 07, 2010 2:25 pm

Acicgoz - that is a VERY long article, with timelines and statistical data included. I read it yesterday. The whole thing can be read here (I am told by someone knowledgeable about all this that there are errors in it - I spotted one myself!):

But I think gives a good indication of how the rest of the EU countries (and others) feel about the 'Cyprus problem'. They do seem to be getting thoroughly fed up with it. And the impression I get from this article and others is that, the longer it does drag on, the more it seems that the GC govt are being held up in not such a good light.

http://www.realinstitutoelcano.org/wps/portal/rielcano_eng/Content?WCM_GLOBAL_CONTEXT=/elcano/Elcano_in/Zonas_in/DT21-2010

Cyprus: Time for a Negotiated Partition?
5/7/2010

Summary
The Greek- and Turkish-Cypriot leaders renewed negotiations in May for reunifying Cyprus, the only divided country in the EU. Little progress of substance was made during 19 months of talks between Demetris Christofias, the Greek-Cypriot President, and Mehmet Ali Talat, the former President of the internationally unrecognised Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus (TRNC), who was defeated in April by the more hard-line Derviş Eroğlu. The international community is becoming increasingly frustrated by the lack of progress on a settlement and the idea of a negotiated partition is gaining credence.
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Postby Get Real! » Wed Jul 07, 2010 2:34 pm

Gasman wrote:They do seem to be getting thoroughly fed up with it.

:? Are they fed up with the UN Security Council and General Assembly’s incompetence at implementing decades-old UN resolutions…

UN RESOLUTION 361 (1974)
http://www.un.int/cyprus/scr353.htm

UN RESOLUTION 541 (1983)
http://www.un.int/cyprus/scr541.htm

…or just fed up that they are unable to violate international law against Cyprus without exposing their double standards and corruption?
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Postby Gasman » Wed Jul 07, 2010 2:43 pm

Are they fed up with the UN Security Council and General Assembly’s incompetence at implementing decades-old UN resolutions…


Well no, it said nothing about that! I've read many times that it is now generally considered that the EU blundered admitting Cyprus while it was still divided.

And the sort of comments that Downer made recently. But not that they are fed up with the UN Security Council or General Assembly.

So obviously they aren't fed up with those.
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Postby Get Real! » Wed Jul 07, 2010 2:45 pm

Gasman wrote:
Are they fed up with the UN Security Council and General Assembly’s incompetence at implementing decades-old UN resolutions…


Well no, it said nothing about that! I've read many times that it is now generally considered that the EU blundered admitting Cyprus while it was still divided.

And the sort of comments that Downer made recently. But not that they are fed up with the UN Security Council or General Assembly.

So obviously they aren't fed up with those.

Then my second reason stands... :wink:

"…or just fed up that they are unable to violate international law against Cyprus without exposing their double standards and corruption?"
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Postby Gasman » Wed Jul 07, 2010 2:47 pm

And, in the Cyprus Mail 3 days ago:

Downer’s dissection is damningly accurate

WHEN I wrote on June 20 that Alexander Downer’s comments on June 5 suggested that he had understood he was dealing with lunatics, I had not read the interview he had given to the Turkish Cypriot paper, Cyprus Observer. The interview confirmed the fact that he has got our number.

What Downer said, quite courageously, was the quintessence of the Cyprus problem. The man has understood that we do not want a settlement and that we are taking the UN, the EU and everyone else for a ride. This was the reason he became the target of a nasty attack by all the hardliners as well as representatives of the government.

The intensity and viciousness of the attacks was the direct result of their fear - for once someone had the guts to publicly utter the truth about their real objectives. We should congratulate him because he is the first UN envoy to Cyprus - in 50 years - who calls things by their name and does not hide behind diplomatic platitudes.

His words were damning both for the politicians and citizens. He said: “If you want to solve the Cyprus problem you will solve it. No worries. If you want to sabotage it, that’s tremendously easy. You can take words that people use, and you can take formulas, think about political difficulties – and you find a thousand reasons not to make an agreement with the other side, it’s easily done. On the other hand there’s a simple and clearly designed agreement on the table, if you want to make the agreement you can embrace that and Bob’s your uncle, you’ve done it”.

The word games have always been a favoured tactic of the rejectionist politicians who always see big traps in words and phrases. The directness of Downer, who does not mince his words, was truly impressive. Instead of hurling abuse at him, the supporters of partition should point out any element of his comments that were wrong or exaggerated. Had he got anything wrong in the views below?

“Do you want to wander through a verbal minefield or do you want to solve the Cyprus problem, that’s a choice. A lot of people love the verbal minefield, for many of them it’s an excuse never to reach an agreement. They have different definitions of the same words, they’re mainly English words, they define them differently, they debate them differently… If you want Cyprus to be the global capital of semantic debate, that’s one option for Cyprus. If you want to solve the Cyprus problem, that’s another.”

Even more impressive was that Downer did not hesitate to note the responsibility of the leaders. “They need to make a decision, are they going to reach an agreement, or aren’t they? The point of decision has to be made. It’s easy to sound in favour of a solution – you can train any parrot in a pet shop to say that. That’s not the question. The question is: are you in favour of an agreement with the other side with which they could live as well as you, and with all that it implies?

I have read the Australian’s CV but nowhere did I see that he had studied psychology. Yet I am certain that no qualified psychologist has reached so deep into the Cypriot’s weird political mind. Everything he said was an accurate analysis of the way we think and what we want. We have been trained, like parrots, to insist that we want a settlement, deluding ourselves that, in this way, we are hiding our real desire – partition.
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Postby Gasman » Wed Jul 07, 2010 2:49 pm

Get real said:

Then my second reason stands...

or just fed up that they are unable to violate international law against Cyprus without exposing their double standards and corruption?"


No - they didn't say they were fed up with that either. So obviously they are not!
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Postby Get Real! » Wed Jul 07, 2010 2:51 pm

Gasman wrote:"If you want Cyprus to be the global capital of semantic debate, that’s one option for Cyprus. If you want to solve the Cyprus problem, that’s another”

That's right Downer, you would have to...

ABIDE BY UN RESOLUTIONS!

UN RESOLUTION 361 (1974)
http://www.un.int/cyprus/scr353.htm

UN RESOLUTION 541 (1983)
http://www.un.int/cyprus/scr541.htm

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Postby Get Real! » Wed Jul 07, 2010 2:52 pm

Gasman wrote:Get real said:

Then my second reason stands...

or just fed up that they are unable to violate international law against Cyprus without exposing their double standards and corruption?"


No - they didn't say they were fed up with that either. So obviously they are not!

Maybe you're just FULL OF SHIT like they are... :wink:
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