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Possibility of ‘negotiated partition’ for Cyprus

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Postby Gasman » Wed Jul 07, 2010 3:28 pm

Didn't say I AGREED with Downer. But the Cyprus Mail does.

I said that, from what I read, all over the place, I am 'getting the impression' ......

Hang on - I have found a criticism of the UN! And in relation to 'International Law in Cyprus Problem'
[quote]Initially, a fundamental mistake was made in the context of the UN Security Council, resolution of 186 (1964), regarding the deployment of the UN Peace keeping forces on the island to restore law and order. According to the principles of international law, in order to send UN troops to a country, which could be interpreted as intervention in the domestic affairs, prerequisite consent of the relevant state was essential. With Cyprus'
case, the distinct approval of representatives of both parties should have been obtained for the resolution for UN engagement, (due to the bi-communal structure of the 1960 Constitution based on power-sharing arrangements between the two communities) however, the UN Security Council undervalued the fact that the Turkish Cypriots were driven away from all governmental bodies by force and decision making processes of the
ROC was usurped by the Greek Cypriots. In other word, the ROC was now under “occupation” of the Greek Cypriots, and it was “cleansed” from Turkish Cypriots. Thus, UN officials sought the approval of the now Greek-Cypriot-run-ROC to send UN troops to the island, Separately approval of the Turkish Cypriot authorities, co-partners of the ROC, was not obtained. This act of the UN in 1964, a gigantic blunder, marks the beginning of the era of the recognition of the Greek Cypriot administration, as the “legitimate government of the ROC”

But as it was written by some bods called Arslan and Güven, I doubt you will consider that it 'counts' :D

I am looking for stuff. Of course I read much criticism of all sorts of bodies and other countries in HERE - I am more interested to read what officials, govt representatives, university studies etc. have to say - and ever mindful that their comments probably are 'watered down' or that they have to be 'diplomatic' when they make them.

But you don't need to read between the lines too much to get the gist of most of them.

On the other hand - are you saying that the EU, the wider global community and everyone else - is quite happy for the Cy Prob to drag on for another 36 years? And that none of them are fed up with it, or fed up with both sides, or see Cyprus as an embarrassment to the EU?
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Postby insan » Wed Jul 07, 2010 3:46 pm

Gasman wrote:From a long article on German Marshall Fund of the US earler this year:
http://www.gmfus.org/cs/pressroom/viewpressrelease?newsarticle.id=410

However, neither Turkey's internal reform process nor its accession to the European Union can be completed as long as the Cyprus dispute remains unresolved. In 2004, the European Union accepted Cyprus as a member state, without the Greek and Turkish parts of the island previously having been reunified. With this strategic blunder, the EU in effect allowed itself to be held hostage by the island's Greek majority, which represents Cyprus in the European Union and which can block Turkey's accession negotiations at any time. Ankara, Brussels and Athens should do everything in their power to support UN General Secretary Ban Ki-moon in his efforts to achieve reunification.


When I read phrases like 'with this strategic blunder' I take it to mean they think it was a MISTAKE!

And these sort of articles just do seem 'critical' of the GCs and getting more so recently.


The mistake of which EU, gazman? It is a well known fact that some very influential and strong political groups don't want Turkey to join EU... and some others only pretend as if they support Turkey's EU accession...

Those who didn't want Turkey's EU accession well knew that GCs would vote no to AP and had been planned to accept GC administration to join EU in order to put one more obstacle(excuse) in front of Turkey...

Now who says it was a mistake? Not the dominant political powers of EU; ain't it?

Dominant political powers of EU support "the privillaged status" for Turkey not the full membership... They don't care much about Cyprus is divided, refugees and embargoes...

In their "new world order" plan what they care about is to slowly, slowly take full control of whole world for natural resources....

Their ultimate goal is "one world government" ruled by biggest capital owners of the world...

Almost all right wing governments which owe their existence in power to big capital owners of their country; support "the new world order" project but the world outside of Europe is suspicious about any possible "hidden agenda" that might lead them to become the weaker rings of "the new world order"...
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Postby Nikitas » Wed Jul 07, 2010 3:51 pm

Preciesly how has Cyprus had a "destructive" effect on EU-Turkey relations? CYprus has not used its veto power in the EU, not even ONCE!

There are more and more intense objections to Turkey from others, including the most powerful nation in the EU, West Germany. So would the journalist of the Economist think that the EU "foolishly" allowed in Germany becaue it happens to object to full Turkish membership?
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Postby Gasman » Wed Jul 07, 2010 4:16 pm

So would the journalist of the Economist think that the EU "foolishly" allowed in Germany becaue it happens to object to full Turkish membership?


I don't know. Why don't you contact him and ask him? It's a reputable rag and I am sure they don't ignore communications when they receive them.
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Postby Gasman » Wed Jul 07, 2010 4:18 pm

This started as a thread about 'negotiated partition' RoC and 'TRNC'

It seems to have turned into a thread about Cyprus vs Turkey.
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Postby insan » Wed Jul 07, 2010 4:45 pm

Gasman wrote:This started as a thread about 'negotiated partition' RoC and 'TRNC'

It seems to have turned into a thread about Cyprus vs Turkey.


... as for the negotiated partition of Cyprus; if it suits the interests of the world's dominant political powers which seems like it suits but it's a matter of time to smoothly push it to happen...
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Postby Pyrpolizer » Wed Jul 07, 2010 5:51 pm

insan wrote:
Gasman wrote:This started as a thread about 'negotiated partition' RoC and 'TRNC'

It seems to have turned into a thread about Cyprus vs Turkey.


... as for the negotiated partition of Cyprus; if it suits the interests of the world's dominant political powers which seems like it suits but it's a matter of time to smoothly push it to happen...


Could you elaborate?


NB. If it took 35 years to agree on nothing, I wonder how many years it will take to agree on nothing again assuming the basis of the talks is "negotiated partition with political equality as per UN resolutions" :P
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Postby insan » Wed Jul 07, 2010 6:25 pm

Pyrpolizer wrote:
insan wrote:
Gasman wrote:This started as a thread about 'negotiated partition' RoC and 'TRNC'

It seems to have turned into a thread about Cyprus vs Turkey.


... as for the negotiated partition of Cyprus; if it suits the interests of the world's dominant political powers which seems like it suits but it's a matter of time to smoothly push it to happen...


Could you elaborate?


NB. If it took 35 years to agree on nothing, I wonder how many years it will take to agree on nothing again assuming the basis of the talks is "negotiated partition with political equality as per UN resolutions" :P


35 years? Must be longer since the 50s... but the matter is why it took so long... because of the national interests of all concerned parties...

Greece and Turkey joined NATO against Soviet threat, in return USA was granted large military facilities in Greece and Turkey... Big multi national American and European corporations invested in these countries and influenced the national, regional and global policies of these countries in favour of themselves... All these take a lot of time...

Turkey and Greece weren't the only two countries the Americans and pro-American, European big boys had to deal with....

The political problems in Balkans seems almost been fixed and now they move forward towards Turkey, Armenia, Cyprus, Israel, Palestine, Caucauses...

I don't think the negotiations on partition of Cyprus would last long... Imo, 1 year for negotiation and 5 years for materialization would be enough to partition Cyprus...

It all depends on priorities of the dominant political powers of the world... Who could stop or slow down them in the last 60 years?
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Postby Gasman » Wed Jul 07, 2010 6:32 pm

... as for the negotiated partition of Cyprus; if it suits the interests of the world's dominant political powers which seems like it suits but it's a matter of time to smoothly push it to happen...


Sorry, but I really cannot understand what you are saying there.

Isn't the obvious and simplest conclusion to come to as to why it has taken so long that ...

The two sides (nor any 3rd party) have just never been able to come up with anything that both will agree to?
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Postby Get Real! » Wed Jul 07, 2010 6:35 pm

insan wrote:... as for the negotiated partition of Cyprus;

Sounds like the negotiated sharing of one’s wife… it may be common practice among “Turkish Cypriots” but don’t expect this to be popular with indigenous Cypriots. :lol:
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