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[Gasman]

My folks came to the UK for the wonderful weather. And the glorious beaches. And the delicious fish and chips.

Well all the fish and chip shops are owned and run by Cypriots aren't they?

[Malapapa]

My folks came to the UK for the wonderful weather. And the glorious beaches. And the delicious fish and chips.

Well all the fish and chip shops are owned and run by Cypriots aren't they?

(That's why they're delicious)

[Natty]

On CYBC tonight, on Irene Haralambidou's programme there were new insghts about EOKA B' and specifically their funding.

Four people who were in key positions in the Tactical Reserve Force, the commaner Pantazis, high ranking officers Papakostas, Tsangaris and Andreas Azinas (who had been a minister if I remember rightly) recalled the conflict with EOKA B in the early 1970s..

Tsangaris who said that after 1974 he spent some years in USA and had contacts with ranking US official who had served in Cyprus, stated that EOKA B funds came from the Turkish intelligence service via Greek shipowners. Tsangaris named shipowner Potamianos and a man called Kosmas Iliadis as the go between. This much, Tsangaris said, was known to US agents in Cyprus and they confirmed it to him in America.

This is a new twist and explains a lot. As the former commander of the Tactical Rserve Force said, EOKA B brought the Coup which brought in Turkey. Looking at it from this point of view then the source of funds is self explanatory.

I still can't shake the suspicion that the C.I.A were directly involved..

If not by using Turkish intelligence to carry out their own policy, then certainly by encouraging the Turkish funding of EOKA B.

[Natty]

My folks came to the UK for the wonderful weather. And the glorious beaches. And the delicious fish and chips.

Well all the fish and chip shops are owned and run by Cypriots aren't they?

(That's why they're delicious)

Amen!

[Schnauzer]

Chinese Proverb......... "The usefulness of a cup only becomes apparent when it is empty".

The time has come to empty the political sludge that has for so long filled the 'Cup of Cyprus', we all know by now just what the chicanery of the past has created, yet still we contest each other's opinions about matters which were slated to happen decades ago by the very same powers which now seek to lull us into a new sleepwalk.

Forget about it, whilst we are all busy trying to analyse where the draft is coming from at the front door, the rats are a-nibbling at the back.

The Cyprus situation is a masterpiece of population manipulation and those who created the situation are rubbing their hands with glee whenever a T/C and G/C cross swords.

Talk of the future, lest those who screwed us in the past..... talk for us. (IMHO)

[Nikitas]

"The Cyprus situation is a masterpiece of population manipulation "

YES! Absolutely agree because I experienced it and saw it in action even though I was a child at the time and the ones most manipulated were grown ups. Maybe we should start a thread with the methods of manipulation we went through in the 50s 60s and 70s.

[Schnauzer]

"The Cyprus situation is a masterpiece of population manipulation "

YES! Absolutely agree because I experienced it and saw it in action even though I was a child at the time and the ones most manipulated were grown ups. Maybe we should start a thread with the methods of manipulation we went through in the 50s 60s and 70s.

I personally think that it might be a better idea to consider the methods currently being employed in order to put the final nail in the coffin of Cyprus.

The progress of all the 'Talks' we are so often assured will be a route to a satisfactory settlement, invariably lead to yet more 'Talks' and it's all back to square one.

The final objectives MUST be well known to those who created the problems here, the 'Talks' are merely exercises to maintain the division of the Cypriot people whilst the REAL decisions (which will remain unknown to us until it is too late) are put in place.

I do not have much confidence in the aforementioned 'rats' BUT, I fancy I can hear the nibbling.

[wyoming cowboy]

"The Cyprus situation is a masterpiece of population manipulation "

YES! Absolutely agree because I experienced it and saw it in action even though I was a child at the time and the ones most manipulated were grown ups. Maybe we should start a thread with the methods of manipulation we went through in the 50s 60s and 70s.

Good point Nikitas, I too was a child prior to the invasion of 74, but i do recall certain things that rang bells, For one the junta implanted many agents throughout the Gc population, I would assume for intelligence gathering and misinformation....And another point many naive Gc at the time were wined and dined By the junta in Greece to win them over with their ideals.....

[Nikitas]

I was in primary school in the 50s, and we were incessantly "patriotised" by teachers. I remember soon after independence the same teachers claiming favorable treatment because they had been "fighters" (agonistes) during the insurgency, their acts of heroism being to lead us to march shouting nationalist slogans the day the ceasefire was declared.

And my older cousins who traveled to Greece treated the experience as a pilgrimage.

In London where I made TC friends I was not surprised that similar attitudes were cultivated on that side too. And the surprising thing for me at that time, was the rabid anticommunism that was common to the indoctrination of the young by mainland officers, Greeks and Turks. Ours were a bit more extreme, but both were heavy.

And I recall clearly that idiotic EDMA thing organized by Americans, the United Democratic Front of Fighters which was so obviously financed by the USA and had cars with sequential number plates parked in Democratias street in Famagusta. What a ridiculous and divisive move that was. Yet people fell for it and joined up, one of them being a family member.

Obviously there were and are many string pullers. Perhaps fewer now than in the past, but they are still there OK.

[wyoming cowboy]

Iam not a kid of the 50's like you, but of the late 60's early 70's.....you obviously saw a lot more....but by the early 70's the seeds of division were taking root....knowing children they usually mimic their parents...by experience was that at recess after a cup of rice pudding, the 6-9 year olds would divide into two groups one being pro enosis slogans(pro Grivas) the other pro Makarios, pro independence and throw rocks at each other, many kids probably have scars from those rocks, I know i do when running to throw i slipped and needed 5 stitches on my left arm, the scar is still visible....Not only were the two ethnic groups divided but the Gc population at the time was deeply divided....