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[DT.]

OMG, Cyprus airways is to purchase 5 SSJ100!!!

Don't know where this sticks on this thread but anyway. Good plane!

On other news regarding Cyprus Airways, they are bidding for Olympic's old landing rights for JFK. The A330's will be modified to flat bed business class and will fly LCA-ATH-JFK.

[Bananiot]

Thank you DT for your response. You wrote:

1) You choose a polarity, you stick to it.
2) You arm yourself to a respectable level where your coastal waters are impenetrable by smuggler, drug dealer or 3rd party state.
3) You make access to your sovereign area expensive.
4) You fill all possible positions that Cyprus should fill in the EU.
5) You fill all possible committees you could possible participate in,
6) You join the neccessary organisations such as PfP ,
7) You man your embassies with trained and adequate personnel,
8 ) You help your businesses operating in other states with political pressure/rewards with other govts.
9) You respect ALL foreign dignatories (and not pick and choose)
10) You finance lobby groups to beat anachronistic attitudes within other govts. (eg if time is against us regarding the departure of settlers and we need to face the realities on this, then the US should also face the realities regarding lifting the US arms embargo on Cyprus. This can very easily be accomplished with regards to getting this through congress. It just needs a govt to commit to a direction and a vision for its lifetime in govt and beyond ((plus cash to a couple of lobby groups)).

Now, let us see:

1. I agree, we have chosen, half heartedly of course, our partners but these partners are loathed by the left and the right because we think that they are the scourge of Cyprus.

2. We arm ourselves you say. At what cost? And, suppose the Turkish air force sends a couple of F16's to fly over Nicosia, just like they do on numerous occasions throughout a year. Do we scramble our F16's? And the northern coast, how do we look after it? Perhaps buy a couple of submarines and some warships? Are you suggesting we enter into an arms race with Turkey?

3. More explanation is needed here, if you could.

4. It is not about numbers but it is all about seriousness. Antigoni Papadopoulou, Eleni Theocharous and Matsakis make you feel ashamed of being Cypriot. Whenever they stand up to make a point, most EMP's leave the room or switch off.

5. You know that Turkey vetoes our efforts to make inroads to a number of international organisations.

6. Agree

7. Agree

8. Leave businesses out of politics, you will be doing them a favour.

9. Of course but wasn't Papadopoulos the father of the dogma about friendly and enemy diplomats? The row he started with Sweden continues (remember Blint?) today and we are very happy to have Sweden in the list ticked as "enemies". We need to have enemies in order to have people to blame for making a mess of things.

10. Turkey is doing this very well, according to reports in the Greek press. If we were to compete with them we would need to spend more money than Turkey because money talks, as you know. Again, are you suggesting here that we enter into a race with Turkey to see who can pay more in order to get favours done?

DT, I think you have done a good job with your list but you have not taken into account one important parameter. Our size! The physical and the financial size. Probably you got carried away and you thought that we have the population and the area of Turkey. But, haven't most of our misfortunes arrived because we forgot our size and thought that we are a people with political and economical clout?

What were we thinking when we took on the entire British Empire in 1955, not in a struggle of the Gandhi type, but in an armed struggle. Not for an independent Cyprus but one to become a province of Greece.

What were we thinking when even after independence we continued to go after the unfulfilled dream of enosis?

What were we thinking when we sent the TC's into enclaves to rot to death or accept our deal?

What were we thinking when we started murdering simple TC folk (even if we were provoked by the TMT)?

All the above and many more, point to a people who have stubbornly refused to take in some simple realities. We sidestepped these realities and went full ahead for the desirable. We paid the price, a hefty one, but still we haven't learned. But, as long as bananiots buy so easily the excuses served to them by their failed leaders, I cannot see any improvement in our situation.

[Pyrpolizer]

In other words you spend more money for nothing...

[Bananiot]

Excellent response Pyrpolyser!

[Nikitas]

"We sidestepped these realities and went full ahead for the desirable."

Maybe the goals, the "desireable" were OK, it was the means used to achieve them that were not fully thought through. We also failed to heed the advice of the late Karamanlis when he said "from now on give the TCs everything they ask for and give them a loukoum on top". We failed to grasp the full meaning of that phrase. We thought we were wiser and more patriotic than Karamanlis. Just think how things would be today if we had heeded that simple advice.

[Viewpoint]

Nikitas you Gcsfucked up big time and still continue with the same mentality today,

[Bananiot]

Why Nikitas, what sort of a lokum should we have given the TC's to make them accept our demands for enosis? In what context did Karamanlis say this and when did he say it? I take it you agree with the points I raised in response to DT's post. It does not take a genius, surely, to understand that we cannot compete with Turkey in the economical and the military field. DT sounded very much like GR who proposes we declare war on Turkey in which we would pull the strings and decide how long it will last and also the numbers of dead we would incur.

[repulsewarrior]

vp i would not crow so loudly. TcLand is far worse, and has not gotten as far either.

america, russia, or european.

more importantly, we have the unique opportunity (because things cannot remain the same) to promote a definition of a State and a definition of Nation by demonstrating the Principal of Bicommunality; something Turkey may even emulate if as Individuals there is a strong unity toward a State, while as Persons we also have the self representation we need to sustain National identities.

[DT.]

Why Nikitas, what sort of a lokum should we have given the TC's to make them accept our demands for enosis? In what context did Karamanlis say this and when did he say it? I take it you agree with the points I raised in response to DT's post. It does not take a genius, surely, to understand that we cannot compete with Turkey in the economical and the military field. DT sounded very much like GR who proposes we declare war on Turkey in which we would pull the strings and decide how long it will last and also the numbers of dead we would incur.

Economically you can compete with any nation in the world. It is not just the total size of the GDP that matters, other statitstics matter as well.

Perhaps the reason we have no politicians with vision in this country is because bananiots such as bananiot cannot take any vision. To them this country must live as the single cellular organism of the mediterranean it is. Never looking up, never fighting forward.

Had we had someone like you in Oman when we were building the roads, the airports, the palaces, the police stations, the hotels and their hospitals while competing with all the big UK companies we would never even had dared bid for the business. Poor Cypriot company, what was it thinking. Now its the 30th largest construction company in the world.

[Bananiot]

DT, surely you cannot be that naive. I am talking about the commercial agreements Turkey has with countries like Russia that make this country (Russia) with the so called principled stand on the Cyprus, a potential supported of Turkey's interests in the real world, and you talk about Oman! Our economy hangs on a thin thread and you call for an economics race with Turkey. It will only take a couple of Turkish fighter jets to make some noise over Nicosia for the tourist industry to crumble, or a couple of bullets fired over Protaras, to send the tourist scampering for cover. The real situation is so fragile but you still have visions of grandeur. WITHOUT SOLUTION, MY FRIEND, YOUR VISION FOR CYPRUS IS A JOKE!

Equally serious is your call for Cyprus to enter into an arms race with Turkey (I smell GR's influence here). I think you turn yourself into a comic debater with your ideas and this is very sad indeed.