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With the US, or with Russia? That is the question.

How can we solve it? (keep it civilized)

Postby Acikgoz » Mon Jul 05, 2010 10:40 pm

What does this power and respect look like?

Here's one for you, find a workable path between north and south, learn to grow trust organically through actions, then become no one's lap dog. Balls and vision, stay the same course of the last 46 years, expect to use the outside to settle what can be settled inside, now that is vision?
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Postby ARMENIAN CYPRIOT » Mon Jul 05, 2010 11:02 pm

Bananiot wrote:No Kifeas, you are the thick one in this case too. The question you posed is childish and displays complete ignorance about world affairs. It also goes to prove that you agree with the notion that the "escape" of the Russian spy was arranged by Cyprus as it was returning a favour to Russia. The next time the USA favours Turkey, you will be asking yourself why. Έτσι κκελλέ, έτσι ξιουράφι θέλει ...

Yes, yes you are right, since Turkey caved in an allowed the USA to invade Iraq over those so called weapons of mass destruction that didn't exist or will the USA be helping Turkey due too the fact that Turkey has criticized there best friend Israel??? The worst that will come out of this is maybe they will will realize that Cyprus is for Cypriots and will remain neutral.
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Postby Get Real! » Mon Jul 05, 2010 11:35 pm

Bananiot, won’t be happy to hear that now not even the spy’s laptop will be sent to the yanks! :lol:
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Postby Nikitas » Tue Jul 06, 2010 12:19 am

Bananiot asks"

"What power are you talking about Nikitas? Self respect I can understand, but what is this power "

The power to know which spies are operating in Cyprus and the self respect to use that power to pick them up and expel them, before they cause trouble and embarassment. All too often there is a laissez faire attitude about these things in Cyprus.

We had trouble since day one with respecting our statehood. This lack of respect blew up in our face more than once.
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Postby DT. » Tue Jul 06, 2010 8:58 am

Bananiot wrote:How do you go about doing all these things DT?


1) You choose a polarity, you stick to it.
2) You arm yourself to a respectable level where your coastal waters are impentrable by smuggler, drug dealer or 3rd party state.
3) You make access to your sovereign area expensive.
4) You fill all possible positions that Cyprus should fill in the EU.
5) You fill all possible committees you could possible participate in,
6) You join the neccessary organisations such as PfP ,
7) You man your embassies with trained and adequate personnel,
8 ) You help your businesses operating in other states with political pressure/rewards with other govts.
9) You respect ALL foreign dignatories (and not pick and choose)
10) You finance lobby groups to beat anachronistic attitudes within other govts. (eg if time is against us regarding the departure of settlers and we need to face the realities on this, then the US should also face the realities regarding lifting the US arms embargo on Cyprus. This can very easily be accomplished with regards to getting this through congress. It just needs a govt to commit to a direction and a vision for its lifetime in govt and beyond ((plus cash to a couple of lobby groups)).

I can go on and on but the main point here is VISION. WHen a govt enters into power there is usually a target and a methodology. This govt has chosen the solution of the Cyprus Problem via NO OTHER MEANS other than inter-communal talks. This to me is a narrow spectrum in which to work in. Where does the millitary come in? Where do your allies come into this? How does the "leverage" of the EU chapters fit into it? Are we giving them up willy nilly on ridiculous offers such as opening up Varoshia and at the same time losing our principled position on why we froze them in the first place?

We shall block your EU chapter in shipping due to the non-recognition of vessels flying the Cyprus flag. How can we allow you to enter into this chapter within the EU when you do not recognise one of the members of the EU? (But if you give us back varoshia then we're happy to enter into bazarlikia.) :roll:

God save us from this uselss bunch of idiots running this country. And god help us from your ping pong buddy Bananiot, as he's the most dangerous one of the lot.
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Postby Bananiot » Tue Jul 06, 2010 10:27 am

Just a quick word and I promise to be back later. Any advice as to which polarity we should choose and stick with it? Or, just choose any polarity (use dice perhaps) and stick to it to the bitter end?
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Postby DT. » Tue Jul 06, 2010 10:54 am

Bananiot wrote:Just a quick word and I promise to be back later. Any advice as to which polarity we should choose and stick with it? Or, just choose any polarity (use dice perhaps) and stick to it to the bitter end?


We've already chosen a polarity, its the sticking to it part we should work on. We've made a strategic decision to join the EU. We're in the EU however we have yet to start behaving like it. I have friends in Brussels who are doing the work of 2-3 people just to keep up with the minimum bureocracy required. Most committees and groups meeting in Brussels do so without representatives of Cyprus present, including key areas such as agriculture and security.

Some people have mistaken their role and limited to joining the EU rather than being part of the EU. We describe the joining as a feat that our executive and legislative arms accomplished (without Yiannos Kranidiotis who knows) yet they do not consider that there are decisions being made this minute without us present.

Someone needs to remind this President that Sweden is a partner in the EU and he cannot afford to ignore this country for ever. SOmeone also needs to let him know that the US is an ally of the EU and the last thing he should be doing right now is refusing to see the US ambassador for an entire year (as he's done, ending with the telling off episode regarding the russian spy).

Anyway I look at it, economy, foreign policy, internal govt......someone needs to take this govt to the Hague for crimes committes against the Cypriot people after its term is over.

As for the solution to the Cyprus Problem, Congratulations Mr President you've given up Rotating Presidency, 50,000 settlers remaining with NOTHING IN EXCHANGE and not only did you not solve it with Talat but you are now stuck with Eroglu who is demanding the change as well.

Rant over.
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Postby Nikitas » Tue Jul 06, 2010 11:06 pm

DT said:

"Most committees and groups meeting in Brussels do so without representatives of Cyprus present, including key areas such as agriculture and security"

DT is this reliable information? If it is there is a scandal in there begging to be made into a headline.
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Postby DT. » Wed Jul 07, 2010 8:34 am

Nikitas wrote:DT said:

"Most committees and groups meeting in Brussels do so without representatives of Cyprus present, including key areas such as agriculture and security"

DT is this reliable information? If it is there is a scandal in there begging to be made into a headline.


Old news here Nikita, newspapers dig it out every now and then until the next time.

You could say that Papadopoulos's govt was new at it after freshly joining the EU. Whats this one's excuse? Not enough EDON students that qualify for work in Brussels?
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Postby Raymanoff » Wed Jul 07, 2010 8:51 am

OMG, Cyprus airways is to purchase 5 SSJ100!!!
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