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[Paphitis]

I will have to agree with DT!

Cyprus can not afford to be supporting the interests of one and neglect the other so blatantly!

The key objective should always be to maintain any alliances with Russia, and develop alliances with the US/Israel so that they do not act in a manner which adversely effects RoC interests, even though Russia has not really supported us in a manner we would've liked!

It would've been much better to not release the Russian spy on bail! It certainly does not make the RoC look very good in the eyes of many countries that have interests in Cyprus, and so, we can presume that they won't be doing us any favors in the near future.

Setting bail for a Russian spy was downright insane/stupid, and Cypriots in the diaspora are under illusions!

[miltiades]

I will have to agree with DT!

Cyprus can not afford to be supporting the interests of one and neglect the other so blatantly!

The key objective should always be to maintain any alliances with Russia, and develop alliances with the US/Israel so that they do not act in a manner which adversely effects RoC interests, even though Russia has not really supported us in a manner we would've liked!

It would've been much better to not release the Russian spy on bail! It certainly does not make the RoC look very good in the eyes of many countries that have interests in Cyprus, and so, we can presume that they won't be doing us any favors in the near future.

Setting bail for a Russian spy was downright insane/stupid, and Cypriots in the diaspora are under illusions!

I agree with Paphitis. Cyprus ought to play the diplomatic game according to its own interests. Support Israel as against supporting ineffectual elements such as Hamas , Hezbollah etc.
Play the diplomatic card and support whatever happens to be conducive to our interests.
Russia would never support Cyprus militarily and the sooner that we realize this the better. On the other hand however the US could if unforeseen circumstances dictated exert pressure on Turkey to remove the troops. However Cyprus at all times must have as its priority its OWN interests above all else.

[Bananiot]

Kifeas

Who talked about "east" vs. "west" or "capitalism" vs. "communism" or any other outdated ideological fixations that you, yourself is not deprived off? Who has put the issue in such terms? Certainly not me! Both countries, Russia and the US, spy on each other, and it has nothing to do with ideologies or east /west orientations. After all, Russia nowadays is as capitalist -and in that sense as pro-west, as it can get. What I only talked about is -when in a dilemma between two conflicting interests such as in the case of the alleged spy arrested in Cyprus, whom you choose to favor. Do you choose to favor the interests of the one that more consistently had chosen to stand by your own interests as a country, or the interests of the one that consistently stood by the interests of your opponent?

Kifeas, you have bungled in a worse manner than the government of this banana republic but it does not matter. The majority of the conditioned subjects of this sorry country agrees with the government, apparently. After all, we have the rulers we deserve. You, out of all people, where did you see the old west vs east or socialism vs capitalism notions in my arguments. You have made things up and then started beating about the bush. I am not surprised. But, you need to convince me still, that your original question is not a stupid one, taken out of a kindergarten book that talks baby language, about the good and the bad.

Hapless DT decided for the middle road. We can play with both parts, he declares. We should look after our interests only and this is very good, excellent in fact, but please DT, tell us, by allowing the wanted spy (who is innocent until proven guilty according to another forum expert) to flee (probably arranged for the boat that picked him up) did we look after our interests? Did we do a good service to Cyprus? I think I know your answer but speak clearly please.

[DT.]

Kifeas

Who talked about "east" vs. "west" or "capitalism" vs. "communism" or any other outdated ideological fixations that you, yourself is not deprived off? Who has put the issue in such terms? Certainly not me! Both countries, Russia and the US, spy on each other, and it has nothing to do with ideologies or east /west orientations. After all, Russia nowadays is as capitalist -and in that sense as pro-west, as it can get. What I only talked about is -when in a dilemma between two conflicting interests such as in the case of the alleged spy arrested in Cyprus, whom you choose to favor. Do you choose to favor the interests of the one that more consistently had chosen to stand by your own interests as a country, or the interests of the one that consistently stood by the interests of your opponent?

Kifeas, you have bungled in a worse manner than the government of this banana republic but it does not matter. The majority of the conditioned subjects of this sorry country agrees with the government, apparently. After all, we have the rulers we deserve. You, out of all people, where did you see the old west vs east or socialism vs capitalism notions in my arguments. You have made things up and then started beating about the bush. I am not surprised. But, you need to convince me still, that your original question is not a stupid one, taken out of a kindergarten book that talks baby language, about the good and the bad.

Hapless DT decided for the middle road. We can play with both parts, he declares. We should look after our interests only and this is very good, excellent in fact, but please DT, tell us, by allowing the wanted spy (who is innocent until proven guilty according to another forum expert) to flee (probably arranged for the boat that picked him up) did we look after our interests? Did we do a good service to Cyprus?

No and where in my post (see below you blind alzheimic tree hugger)

you do both in a clever way. You don't piss off the one power in the world that can affect you in a positive or negative manner by committing such a blatant blunder.
If Russia had true interests with the Cyprus government then whether or not an interpol wanted man had been let go or not these interests would still be here. There is no like or dislike in politics. The Russians don't like or dislike us, they will conduct their policies and when our perceived interests and theirs are parallel then we benefit as well.

The fact that our interests and the US interests have hardly ever been the same should speak volumes about what our interests are.

Regardess, the people hogging the political scene in Cyprus at the moment could not produce an alliance between the mayors of Galata and Kakopetria, let alone between politicians such as Lavrov and Clinton.

If you need it explained, then it says that the stupidity of this govt that actually thinks it will receive something in exchange for this blunder is ridiculous. All that this mindless bunch of your fellow ping pong players are doing is estranging us from decision makers that have a real impact in this part of the world.

Other than that, you have not understood a word I wrote which is not surprising for someone as prejudiced as you.

[Bananiot]

DT

If you need it explained, then it says that the stupidity of this govt that actually thinks it will receive something in exchange for this blunder is ridiculous. All that this mindless bunch of your fellow ping pong players are doing is estranging us from decision makers that have a real impact in this part of the world.

Forgive me, but I still do not get it. What is the blatant blunder this govt has committed? The decision makers that have a real impact in this part of the world (the USA DT, spell it out, don't shy away from it) should not be pissed off by us, even if they affect us in a negative way? Really DT, how do you not piss off the one power in the world that can affect you in a positive or negative manner? And, what is the clever way of doing things or dealing with situations such as this one?

DT, you know all the right answers, I have no doubt in my mind, but really you need to allow your rational self to shine. Even if you cross GR and he never speaks to you again.

P.S. I do not mind the blind alzheimic part. But why the tree huger part? Am I an ecologist of the Perdikis type and I do not know it?

[Acikgoz]

DT, c'mon, the point Bana is making is don't play a game - however clever you think it is.

Be upstanding and therefore no one can question your position as it is based on principles that you yourself would hope to be upheld. You become a reliable dependable entity which does not get caught up in the mess. More people get burnt by trying to be clever than by doing things the "right" way. If you want to be regarded as a responsible international player, you have to act like a responsible international player.

[Acikgoz]

Ooops, just read your post Bana, and it reads more along the lines of don't upset the US (people that have real impact). My bad, assumed you were making a more principled stand.
Many in TRNC not happy about Asil Nadir being there and not facing the music for his actions in the UK. Unfortunately long term respect forming actions are undermined by short term political and money issues - Love Cyprus Hate the Policies.

[denizaksulu]

The game players are lacking in integrity. Simple really.

[DT.]

DT

If you need it explained, then it says that the stupidity of this govt that actually thinks it will receive something in exchange for this blunder is ridiculous. All that this mindless bunch of your fellow ping pong players are doing is estranging us from decision makers that have a real impact in this part of the world.

Forgive me, but I still do not get it. What is the blatant blunder this govt has committed? The decision makers that have a real impact in this part of the world (the USA DT, spell it out, don't shy away from it) should not be pissed off by us, even if they affect us in a negative way? Really DT, how do you not piss off the one power in the world that can affect you in a positive or negative manner? And, what is the clever way of doing things or dealing with situations such as this one?

DT, you know all the right answers, I have no doubt in my mind, but really you need to allow your rational self to shine. Even if you cross GR and he never speaks to you again.

P.S. I do not mind the blind alzheimic part. But why the tree huger part? Am I an ecologist of the Perdikis type and I do not know it?

Bananiot...there must be something wrong. I'm typing one thing and you're reading the oppossite.

[Piratis]

There are some people in here that think that Cyprus should serve the USA interests regardless of what the USA policy on Cyprus is.

There is a certain level of reciprocity in international politics. It is not about "friends" and "foes" but more like "you scratch my back I will scratch yours".

The only thing the Americans did for Cyprus is to give arms to the Turks so they can invade Cyprus (while at the same time not selling arms to us - the Russians do) and support Turkey in just about everything while ignoring their occupation of Cyprus. Lets not forget the Annan plan that they created in order to officially partition the island and serve the interests of Turkey on the expense of the Cypriot people.

The USA is not an "enemy" in the way that Turkey is, and I hope that sooner or later that the USA will abandon Turkey (which obviously does not appreciate their friendship and collaborates with Iran, Hamas etc) and support Cyprus instead. When they do that then they can expect Cyprus to fully cooperate with them.