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[Bananiot]

No Kifeas, you are the thick one in this case too. The question you posed is childish and displays complete ignorance about world affairs. It also goes to prove that you agree with the notion that the "escape" of the Russian spy was arranged by Cyprus as it was returning a favour to Russia. The next time the USA favours Turkey, you will be asking yourself why. Έτσι κκελλέ, έτσι ξιουράφι θέλει ...

[cymart]

Would choose to ally themselves with a country like Russia!They have no tradition of democratic principles or a civil society and their only aim is to maintain or extend their strategic and economic influence-ask anyone in the Baltic States or Eastern Europe what it was like from 1945 until 1990 living under their influence and control?I am no fan of the U.S. Pentagon or the CIA either but know which is the lesser of the evils if a choice has to be made-in the case of Cyprus,we are already in the E.U. and there are NATO bases here too so it is not a case of us making the choice!
As for the remark about Yiacovou going to Moscow in 2004 just before the referendum,I wonder what would have happened if the U.N. Security Council had adopted the Annan Plan??That could have been very interesting!

[Bananiot]

Cymart, we live in the land of paradox. A couple of weeks ago we got ready to embrace the hated Jews because we thought that Israel was about to teach Turkey a lesson. Now, we consider Russia to be a friend of us and we do not allow the opportunity to go by, without referring to the "principled stand" of Russia on the Cyprus issue. How more stupid can we get. These things are not said by the layman, but by the President, the ruling party and just about by all politicians of this banana republic. We have no future my friend. Cyprus is slowly wasted away in the hands of these jokers.

[cymart]

This is what I have feared for a long time,in this country where so many people talk about the 'principles' of others while they have no principles of their own!

[Bananiot]

Generally, it is people without principles that talk about principles. But this behaviour of our politicians who think that they can twist the arm of the west by appeasing Russia, is so myopic and lame that it can only be described as plain childish. The fact that we tried it before with a great cost does not seem to bother them one bit. This school of thought has been teaching bananiots like this since day one of the independence of Cyprus. Hence you get people like Kifeas who stupidly asks: Whom shall we choose, Russia or the Wes?

P.S. Hope, people like Wom. Cowboy, and the rest of the Cypriots of the diaspora, realise at last what the scale of stupidity is that exists in Cyprus.

[wyoming cowboy]

Banana for once i agree with your analysis, i do remember people looking into the horizon in 74 right after the coup and expecting Soviet warships to come and save them.......We as a people need to get our priorities straight. Instead of having a slave mentality about our situation and allow things to happen to us rather then taking some chances and grabbing the bull by the horns. Noone in Cyprus trusts one another, and i mean among Greek cyps, i dont know about the Turk cyps, They are all out for themselves, no sense of country or dignity....

[Bananiot]

Its all about options my friend, about options. Taking chances is also risky. A deep analysis is needed but here we only ask ourselves: Russia or the West? If we cannot get it right with the simple multiple choice questions, we are as good as doomed. I also remember politicians claiming that the Soviet fleet is just on the coast of Cyprus and that the Turks wouldn't dare invade. This is what I meant by saying that we burned our hands before but still we do not learn.

[Malapapa]

Generally, it is people without principles that talk about principles. But this behaviour of our politicians who think that they can twist the arm of the west by appeasing Russia, is so myopic and lame that it can only be described as plain childish. The fact that we tried it before with a great cost does not seem to bother them one bit. This school of thought has been teaching bananiots like this since day one of the independence of Cyprus. Hence you get people like Kifeas who stupidly asks: Whom shall we choose, Russia or the Wes?

P.S. Hope, people like Wom. Cowboy, and the rest of the Cypriots of the diaspora, realise at last what the scale of stupidity is that exists in Cyprus.

I doubt many outside of Cyprus are under any illusions.

And we're certainly not short of Cypriot stupids in the UK. Thankfully, though, they're becoming increasingly irrelevant here.

[Kifeas]

Bananiot, I have hoped that your IQ and EQ would have improved as you grow older, but alas! Will you ever stop the "self-beating?"

Who talked about "east" vs. "west" or "capitalism" vs. "communism" or any other outdated ideological fixations that you, yourself is not deprived off? Who has put the issue in such terms? Certainly not me! Both countries, Russia and the US, spy on each other, and it has nothing to do with ideologies or east /west orientations. After all, Russia nowadays is as capitalist -and in that sense as pro-west, as it can get. What I only talked about is -when in a dilemma between two conflicting interests such as in the case of the alleged spy arrested in Cyprus, whom you choose to favor. Do you choose to favor the interests of the one that more consistently had chosen to stand by your own interests as a country, or the interests of the one that consistently stood by the interests of your opponent?

[DT.]

Bananiot, I have hoped that your IQ and EQ would have improved as you grow older, but alas! Will you ever stop the "self-beating?"

Who talked about "east" vs. "west" or "capitalism" vs. "communism" or any other ideological fixations that you, yourself is not deprived off? Who has put the issue in such terms? Certainly not me! Both countries, Russia and the US, spy on each other, and it has nothing to do with ideologies or east /west orientations. After all, Russia nowadays is as capitalist -and in that sense as pro-west, as it can get. What I only talked about is -when in a dilemma between two conflicting interests such as in the case of the alleged spy arrested in Cyprus, whom you choose to favor. Do you choose to favor the interests of the one that more consistently had chosen to stand by your own interests as a country, or the interests of the one that consistently stood by the interests of your opponent?

you do both in a clever way. You don't piss off the one power in the world that can affect you in a positive or negative manner by committing such a blatant blunder.

If Russia had true interests with the Cyprus government then whether or not an interpol wanted man had been let go or not these interests would still be here. There is no like or dislike in politics. The Russians don't like or dislike us, they will conduct their policies and when our perceived interests and theirs are parallel then we benefit as well.

The fact that our interests and the US interests have hardly ever been the same should speak volumes about what our interests are.

Regardess, the people hogging the political scene in Cyprus at the moment could not produce an alliance between the mayors of Galata and Kakopetria, let alone between politicians such as Lavrov and Clinton.