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Postby denizaksulu » Sat Jul 03, 2010 10:24 pm

Get Real! wrote:
miltiades wrote:Deniz , pop in next week for a sketo ,

Can't you afford sugar? :? :lol:


We are two of a kind and sweet enough. :lol:
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Postby Get Real! » Sat Jul 03, 2010 10:26 pm

denizaksulu wrote:
Get Real! wrote:
miltiades wrote:Deniz , pop in next week for a sketo ,

Can't you afford sugar? :? :lol:


We are two of a kind and sweet enough. :lol:

Deniz, I had a very quick look at your moaning but frankly I can't be stuffed replying to all that other than say that when you come to Cyprus call me.
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Postby rotate » Mon Jul 05, 2010 2:24 pm

Gasman wrote:Rotate - I am getting that 'deja vu' feeling here!

Like your son one of our boys had a hearing problem when he was young. Teachers at the Royal Free School in Windsor wrote him off as being a nice kid with little interest in school or learning which was how we found out he had a problem. At home he did not seem to have a problem as we always spoke to him face to face,


Yes - almost exactly the same scenario. I found out almost by accident that he had been remarked upon as being unattentive and a bit of a dreamer and needed remedial reading help.

I felt so BAD that I hadn't noticed the problem myself. (Did used to say at times that when he got 'involved' in something he was in a 'world of his own')

The specialist reassured me that I would have been the last person to notice it because I dealt with him one on one, face to face, but that the school should have noticed earlier because they've seen the same problems many times.

I still remember the day I brought him home from the Hosp. He had to convalesce for about a week. I put a sunbed in the garden for him and, a short while later, he shouted 'Mum! I can hear the bees buzzing!' :)

He went on to get his Bsc Hon, and for years after he left school, he still held the record for the highest results in all science exams of any pupil there.

I hate to think how much it would have held him back to have had to wait until he was almost 8 yrs old before he could hear what the teachers were saying.

you said

Immediate private treatment was out of the question as the private practioners were one and the same as the NHS specialists.


Yes they usually are. My son's was the same bloke he would have had do it after waiting on the list. I'd been given an initial appointment with him for about 6 months' time - was told that I could pay for just that to see him sooner and it would at least knock that much off the wait. So I did that. He was very good and wrote letters saying it should be treated urgently but it wasn't. The surgeons do not control the waiting list. And almost all of them do private work too. Just that you can forget the wait if you go private. He had his op 3 wks later.

I have to say that Princess Margaret's were very good to me. They allowed me to share his room with no charge (said it took the load off the nurses!) and they fed me too.

And, they had sort of reassured me that they do try to keep costs down for people who don't have BUPA or any medical insurance. I just had to give the name of a guarantor who would pay if I didn't. When the bills started coming in (coz they come in separately - anaesthetist, drugs, accommodation, etc) all of them were almost exactly HALF what I'd been told to expect them to be.

I thanked them profusely, the surgeon told me the pleasure was his - that he'd been able to go away on his annual holiday feeling like 'a good samaritan' lol!


Gasman, I'm pleased that your boy did very well after getting the treatment that he needed. Again I wonder how many kids have been written off by schools and society because of undiagnosed treatable hearing problems.

Some corrections to my previous posting,
Its the 'National Ear Nose and Throat Hospital' Golden Square not the Royal. The Golden Square unit later combined with the Grays Inn Road Unit of the NENTH not the Greys End Road Unit.
Put it down to writing at an unearthly hour of the morning from an airport lounge after a sleepless night.

The Princess Margaret Private Clinic/Hospital Windsor.
Built in the early 1970's as a terrace of neo Georgian style town houses and offered for sale at a price guaranteed NOT to sell the completed houses remained empty for almost ten years bar one owner/tenant? while a US health company sought in vain to obtain local authority permission to convert the houses to business use. After a lengthly appeals process in which the local authority repeatedly argued that building permission had only been granted for the the building of much needed homes and not for business use (Windsor already had two large private clinics and a NHS hospital) the health company won the day.
On the day that the local authority ruling and the local residents wishes were finally overturned two large American cars each containing four men dressed in standard 'mob' attire of the time, black suits and ties dark glasses and narrow brimmed trilby hats, black of course arrived at the terrace. These men pulled down the fifteen or so 'For Sale' boards and burnt them in the front garden of one the houses. The following day the one and only owner/tenant? moved out and the builders moved in under the watchful eye of the guys in the 'mob' outfits. Less than six months later the private clinic/hospital was opened for business by HRH Princess Margaret, hence the local name for the clinic/hospital being for many years 'The Gin Palace'.
Ownership of the building has changed hands a few times since then and the people that we dealt with regarding the leasing of our property can best be described as international.

Members of my wider family both from the UK and Cyprus have received first class treatment at Princess Margarets, all were insurance jobs and I've noted with interest the ability of the employees to upsell the service with such basics as a glass of water for a visitor being invoiced. Gasman, you did very well with the cost for your son's operation, you should never have been forced to pay for it yourself but then again when push comes to shove we would probably all do the same if we are able.
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Re: Whats wrong with our NHS? What are the priorities?

Postby pretty-as-pink » Mon Jul 05, 2010 8:47 pm

denizaksulu wrote:http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-1290734/Cancer-patients-failed-Hospitals-Turkey-Slovakia-scanners-spot-tumours-early.html

Today I went to hospital for an eye check up. I was amazed to see their new equipment. Almost identical to eye-scanning equipment I was examined with in Ankara Turkey 4 years ago. Why is the NHS so late in using the latest technology.

...and this article in todays Daily Mail. I did not need to read all of it. Nothing new to me there.

Turkey seems to care more for its sick than the UK - it seems. :?

I suppose they are only Mongolians............

Cancer patients failed: Hospitals in Turkey and Slovakia have more scanners to spot tumours early
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Shortage: UK hospitals have fewer high-tech scanning units than other countries
Cancer survival rates in the UK are so poor because hospitals have fewer high-tech scanning units than countries such as Turkey and Slovakia, a study shows.
Despite a huge increase in health spending under Labour, Britain has one of the lowest numbers of specialised scanners to spot tumours early.
Out of 28 industrialised countries surveyed, only Hungary and Mexico have fewer numbers of computed tomography (CT) scanners per head of population.
And only the Czech Republic, Poland, Hungary and Mexico have fewer magnetic resonance imaging (MRI) units.
The shortages mean that British patients often have to wait weeks
for test results which could diagnose their cancer - delaying their treatment with life-threatening consequences.
Cancer survival rates in the UK are among the lowest in Europe.
A woman diagnosed with breast cancer has a 78.5 per cent chance of being alive five years later, compared to 82.6 per cent in France and 90.5 per cent in the U.S.
The report, by the Organisation for Economic Cooperation and Development, which represents industrialised nations, also found that Britain had fewer hospital beds and fewer doctors than the average industrialised country.
It has led to an appalling situation where life expectancy and infant mortality rates are also higher.
But it is the figures on cancer scans that are among the most stark. The average OECD country has 12.6 MRI units per million people.
But in the UK, the figure is 5.6 - above only the Czech Republic, Poland, Hungary and Mexico.
The British figure is far below Ireland (12.3), Greece (21.8), the U.S. (25.9) and Japan (43.1). It is even below Turkey (6.9) and Slovakia (6.1). And the differences are even greater with CT scans.
The UK figure is 7.4 machines per million population, three times less than the 23.8 OECD average and lower than Turkey (10.2), Germany (16.4) and Australia (38.8).
Again, Turkey and Slovakia have more scanners.
The report said: 'During the past decade, there has been rapid growth in the availability of diagnostic technologies in most OECD countries.
'Although the United Kingdom has also seen some increase in such technologies, the number of MRIs in 2008 was 5.6 per million population, less than half the OECD average of 12.6.
'Furthermore, the number of CT scanners stood at 7.4 per million population, less than three times the OECD average of 23.8.'
Last night Sarah Woolnough of Cancer Research UK insisted patients 'have timely access to the tests', adding: 'When cancer is caught early, treatment is more likely to be successful.'
The report revealed that Britain's spending on healthcare is £2,075 per person - around the OECD average.
But the rise in spending since 2000, at 4.6 per cent every year, is higher than the average.
This has helped pay for more doctors, from two physicians per 1,000 population to 2.6 in 2008. This is still lower than the OECD average of 3.2, however.




Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/artic ... z0sLzOYPQK :lol:

Maybe something to do with the fact that so many bloody turks, french, polish etc etc live in the uk.
This is the case for a fact, therefore anyone who is not British but uses the NHS for free should not run it down.
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Postby pretty-as-pink » Mon Jul 05, 2010 8:54 pm

IMPOSTALIEDUS wrote:The health service in the uk is; to put it mildly shit. STORY of INDIA / 6 AM Sunday morning, dr my wife has a problem with pain in the tummy, dr reply , meet me in the hospital in 1 hour by 10 am the wife has full body scan,diagnosis gall bladder ,, needs removal ; do it now.cost 100 pounds .ME thinks no go to uk better treatment.2 months later wife is told unless you pay private you will not get the operation . back to india done 1 day later no problems ...for op and 4 days treatment 150 pounds The health service in the uk As i said is third rate . here in cyprus for as little as 100 pound you can get a scan and the results in a few hours , do not believe any thing the british government tells you about the health sevice in the uk ( it is SHIT)

You still bloody went there to get your wifey a freebie didnt ya!
and the first place you went to aswell, cheers for that, right old compliment i must say :wink:
Dont you feel a bit silly for flying from a to b to save a few bob when in actual fact you lost out on the flights? :? confused.com or what
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Postby pretty-as-pink » Mon Jul 05, 2010 9:04 pm

pretty-as-pink wrote:
IMPOSTALIEDUS wrote:The health service in the uk is; to put it mildly shit. STORY of INDIA / 6 AM Sunday morning, dr my wife has a problem with pain in the tummy, dr reply , meet me in the hospital in 1 hour by 10 am the wife has full body scan,diagnosis gall bladder ,, needs removal ; do it now.cost 100 pounds .ME thinks no go to uk better treatment.2 months later wife is told unless you pay private you will not get the operation . back to india done 1 day later no problems ...for op and 4 days treatment 150 pounds The health service in the uk As i said is third rate . here in cyprus for as little as 100 pound you can get a scan and the results in a few hours , do not believe any thing the british government tells you about the health sevice in the uk ( it is SHIT)

You still bloody went there to get your wifey a freebie didnt ya!
and the first place you went to aswell, cheers for that, right old compliment i must say :wink:
Dont you feel a bit silly for flying from a to b to save a few bob when in actual fact you lost out on the flights? :? confused.com or what

Its people like you who are running our NHS into the ground.
So because your wife who was so ill, but was happy to fly to timbucktoo in the state she was in :? didnt get her operation there and then for free, that makes it shit does it?
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