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I suppose those comments are fgar worse than threatening her life Bill....


Any chance of posting some of those


BTW....JLo has been sent all the information she and her entourage need to set the record straight about who is suffering injustices. She could have had the chance to make up her own mind if the death threats were not present.

ZAN, Over the past week, "both sides" were putting their points of view to Ms Lopez, before her decision.

The death threats and outrageous language i have posted started after her decision to issue the following statement...

"Jennifer Lopez would never knowingly support any state, country, institution or regime that was associated with any form of human rights abuse." TMZ also reveals she was misguided by Turkey and its allies it says she 'withdraws' "claiming she never would have agreed to perform had she known the "relevant circumstances"

(TMZ is the entertainment/music blog that first broke the news)

Have posted two or three complete and unedited pages of pages from JLo's FB site. If anyone believes my reports weren't a reasonably refection of what was going on, they are able to research the matter for themselves by consulting a Google Cache.

Have also posted some of the public insults directed towards me on her FB page by people who i believe are mainland nationalists when some of us tried to ask people to calm down and respect her FB page. My respect to a Turkish person who tried to help us out with this. We were all wasting our time as it happens, these people wouldn't listen.

If I can repeat what i have said two or three times, i am pretty certain that these nasty messages were not the work of tissies.

I did not post some nasty private messages and threats sent to me personally, I have reported these to FB admin by clicking a "spam" button and deleted them.

Hope that helps mate.

I am sorry Bill but the death threats were issued before her statement by Greek/GC organisations. I appreciate that they might not have been posted directly on any forum and maybe you condemn them but they certainly did not all start after her decision.

Thanks for that Z. Wasn't aware of that.. can only post what i see or hear and have no reason to doubt you.

Shouldn't you be asking Zan for some evidence for this accusation? And whether JLo took such "threats" seriously considering she was to be "protected" by 43,000 Turkish troops!

[zan]

Im sure you can tell the difference, these are the people you will end up having a union with?

I for one wouldn't want to …with those who were planning to celebrate the slaughter of 5,000 Greek Cypriots with an American superstar!

Its nice to see that you have cropped the "official" umber from 6000 to 5000. So who are you attributing the 1000 to then...Out of interest?

You'd first have to provide a quote from the past where I said “6,000” or embarrass yourself with a feeble attempt to derail the issue...

I thought the original quote and post was by you but then I might be getting ahead of myself.


We had the discussion some time back GR. Not my fault if you have a selective memory. Carrying on from that discussion, I was wondering if you at last was admitting that EOKA killed more than you guys have ever admitted. I just thought that you might have rounded that figure off to the 1000 you left out of he official figure o 6000 +. How silly could I have been.

[zan]

I suppose those comments are fgar worse than threatening her life Bill....


Any chance of posting some of those


BTW....JLo has been sent all the information she and her entourage need to set the record straight about who is suffering injustices. She could have had the chance to make up her own mind if the death threats were not present.

ZAN, Over the past week, "both sides" were putting their points of view to Ms Lopez, before her decision.

The death threats and outrageous language i have posted started after her decision to issue the following statement...

"Jennifer Lopez would never knowingly support any state, country, institution or regime that was associated with any form of human rights abuse." TMZ also reveals she was misguided by Turkey and its allies it says she 'withdraws' "claiming she never would have agreed to perform had she known the "relevant circumstances"

(TMZ is the entertainment/music blog that first broke the news)

Have posted two or three complete and unedited pages of pages from JLo's FB site. If anyone believes my reports weren't a reasonably refection of what was going on, they are able to research the matter for themselves by consulting a Google Cache.

Have also posted some of the public insults directed towards me on her FB page by people who i believe are mainland nationalists when some of us tried to ask people to calm down and respect her FB page. My respect to a Turkish person who tried to help us out with this. We were all wasting our time as it happens, these people wouldn't listen.

If I can repeat what i have said two or three times, i am pretty certain that these nasty messages were not the work of tissies.

I did not post some nasty private messages and threats sent to me personally, I have reported these to FB admin by clicking a "spam" button and deleted them.

Hope that helps mate.

I am sorry Bill but the death threats were issued before her statement by Greek/GC organisations. I appreciate that they might not have been posted directly on any forum and maybe you condemn them but they certainly did not all start after her decision.

Thanks for that Z. Wasn't aware of that.. can only post what i see or hear and have no reason to doubt you.

Shouldn't you be asking Zan for some evidence for this accusation? And whether JLo took such "threats" seriously considering she was to be "protected" by 43,000 Turkish troops!

I thought she was just performing in the TRNC not staying there

[Kikapu]

The fact that everyone has been debating this Jlo issue ofr days and has been brought to the attention of the world is a fantastic advertising ploy, noway could have Cratos got so much exposure with 3 million dollars which they now dont even have to pay. If their contract is sound with Jlo about her undertaking to perform then she will be sued, the company she signed the deal with is totally Turkish and she had all the facts going into this deal. They have obviously been bought off including legal costs by the Greek lobby in the states which I claimed could happen form the outset or promised a better deal would you turn down 5 million us dollars not to perform.

But the biggest coup is by Cratos their investment has been exposed to the world far more than they could ever have dreamed, add to this an abudence of Turkish performaners only to willing to appear on the special night, Im sure it will still be an event to remember. I have personally visited this hotel and its something special...another point Id like to make make is dont count the Boz Holding company owners of Cratos out for count yet they say they have another big plans that will be just as exciting and will make the GCs even more sick to the stomach and jealous with envy.

PS Zeliş would do a great job but shes probably not in the running.

VP,

The hotel may have gotten a lot of advertising through the JLo affair, which may or may not benefit them in the short run, which won't have much benefit in the long run since people do not travel abroad in any country just to have the pleasure of staying in a hotel that it's only fame was that JLo performed/did not perform there. This is a thinking of a village mentality where little things means a lot to them. But regardless what the hotel may or may not have gained, the loser in all this has been the "trnc". What people will read about as to why JLo did not perform at the hotel, was because of the "trnc's" illegal establishment through occupation and Human Rights violation in displacing GCs from their lands and homes. I can't see how this can be a positive for the north. Along with the image of the "trnc" suffering, so would be the image of the TCs and the Turks. JLo performing at the hotel was never the intent for the organizers as being the main event, but instead to promote the "trnc" as being just a another "country" with famous people coming and going in the hopes that would bring others in the future. But now, when the reasons of JLo's non appearance is written and talked about all over the world, it is no longer a dispute between JLo and the hotel, but between JLo and the "trnc".

Needless to say, just as the "trnc" would have benefited with her appearance in the "trnc" after much publicity, however, now the reverse would happen which the "trnc" would suffer by her not appearing in the "trnc" after much publicity and an explanation as to her refusal to appear. Overall, this has been a PR disaster for the "trnc", despite the hotel getting some advertising out of it, which will be very short lived. We are talking about a hotel/casino after all, and a relatively a small one at that in comparison to mega hotel/casinos around the world. People travel to places because that's where they want to go for their holidays for what ever reasons and then they look for hotels to stay. With the negative publicity on the "trnc" with the JLo affair, the hotel will not benefit if the people won't come in the first place, and those who already do come, will doubt they will spend the inflated rates to stay there, but perhaps only use the casino instead..!

[Tony-4497]

What happened demonstrates that even though Turkey has the military power to keep on holding the stolen lands, its actions will never be legitimised.

TCs - if you want to stop being seen as the thieves you currently are, push your leadership to come to the negotiating table with positions that are reasonable.

You are 18% of the population and own 12% of the land. Understand that you will never have an effectively independent, ethnically cleansed country on 30% of the island (even if that is what the likes of Annan and Downer promote at the request of their bosses i.e your patrons).

You can have some autonomy and administer say 27% of the land in a true federation, provided that full human rights apply, all GCs go back to their homes etc, as per the agreements in the late 1970s etc.

Or, you can propose an effectively separate state, fully Turkish, ethnically cleansed, on say 18-20% of the island (even this is generous in light of your land ownership).

Both of the above options are fair, even though painful for us, and would be acceptable by GCs at referendum in order to put the past behind.

Continue to reject fairness and demand "spoils of war" at the expense of your GC compatriots and you will continue to receive slaps on the face, as thieves should.

keep dreaming.....I'll wake you up when the time is right.

fine.. you want to continue behaving like dirty little thieves and criminals instead of finding a fair solution? go right ahead.. but don't complain about the world spitting on your face, coz that's what thieves and criminals deserve!

fair solution!!!!!!

You lot need to work out the meaning of that YET.....we have.,...you are there and we are here.
LONG LIVE TRNC..let the Greek neighbours do all the puplicity work for us.

You are there, we are here, but "there" is our property, our land and you are nothing but dirty little thieves who have stolen it and who will eventually pay for your crimes..

In the meantime, the world (including JLo) SEES this and KNOWS that you are dirty thieves, that is why they SPIT in your face in every way possible.. including not allowing your criminal Turkish motherland anywhere near EU admission..

[Malapapa]

http://www.todayszaman.com/tz-web/news- ... c-gig.html

Interesting report from a Turkish source as to how 'positive' the publicity over J-Lo has been for the pseudo-Cratos (hotel and regime)...

Here are some highlights:

The hotel’s CEO, Murat Bozoğlu, announced on Saturday that the hotel plans to seek compensation, claiming that Lopez’s withdrawal is politically motivated and that the resort had suffered damage as a result of her decision

media reports speculated on Sunday that it (compensation claim) could be as high as $100 million.

Saying that Lopez had severely damaged the image of the hotel, Bozoğlu added that they will fully exhaust their options using the best lawyers from New York to protect their rights

And this is my favourite...

The hotel director also said his company will send an official notice to the singer in the hope that Lopez will reconsider her decision. “If we don’t get an answer, we will start the legal proceedings,”

How wonderful. Not content with the reputational damage already caused to the pseudo-Cratos they are now going to make matters even worse by either:

a, having to back down over this ridiculous compensation claim (there's no way the singer will respond positively to such crude, nasty threats);

b, actually trying to take the sorry matter to a US court to suffer even further humiliation and reputational damage.

[Tony-4497]

I heard that the land on which the thieves built the hotel on belongs to the Church.

Now would be a good time for the Church to sue the thieving bastards - might make it slightly more difficult for them to gather the nerve to sue anyone at a US court about alleged damage to a hotel they do not own yet exploit.

A few arrest warrants would make the whole thing even more ironic..

[zan]

The fact that everyone has been debating this Jlo issue ofr days and has been brought to the attention of the world is a fantastic advertising ploy, noway could have Cratos got so much exposure with 3 million dollars which they now dont even have to pay. If their contract is sound with Jlo about her undertaking to perform then she will be sued, the company she signed the deal with is totally Turkish and she had all the facts going into this deal. They have obviously been bought off including legal costs by the Greek lobby in the states which I claimed could happen form the outset or promised a better deal would you turn down 5 million us dollars not to perform.

But the biggest coup is by Cratos their investment has been exposed to the world far more than they could ever have dreamed, add to this an abudence of Turkish performaners only to willing to appear on the special night, Im sure it will still be an event to remember. I have personally visited this hotel and its something special...another point Id like to make make is dont count the Boz Holding company owners of Cratos out for count yet they say they have another big plans that will be just as exciting and will make the GCs even more sick to the stomach and jealous with envy.

PS Zeliş would do a great job but shes probably not in the running.

VP,

The hotel may have gotten a lot of advertising through the JLo affair, which may or may not benefit them in the short run, which won't have much benefit in the long run since people do not travel abroad in any country just to have the pleasure of staying in a hotel that it's only fame was that JLo performed/did not perform there. This is a thinking of a village mentality where little things means a lot to them. But regardless what the hotel may or may not have gained, the loser in all this has been the "trnc". What people will read about as to why JLo did not perform at the hotel, was because of the "trnc's" illegal establishment through occupation and Human Rights violation in displacing GCs from their lands and homes. I can't see how this can be a positive for the north. Along with the image of the "trnc" suffering, so would be the image of the TCs and the Turks. JLo performing at the hotel was never the intent for the organizers as being the main event, but instead to promote the "trnc" as being just a another "country" with famous people coming and going in the hopes that would bring others in the future. But now, when the reasons of JLo's non appearance is written and talked about all over the world, it is no longer a dispute between JLo and the hotel, but between JLo and the "trnc".

Needless to say, just as the "trnc" would have benefited with her appearance in the "trnc" after much publicity, however, now the reverse would happen which the "trnc" would suffer by her not appearing in the "trnc" after much publicity and an explanation as to her refusal to appear. Overall, this has been a PR disaster for the "trnc", despite the hotel getting some advertising out of it, which will be very short lived. We are talking about a hotel/casino after all, and a relatively a small one at that in comparison to mega hotel/casinos around the world. People travel to places because that's where they want to go for their holidays for what ever reasons and then they look for hotels to stay. With the negative publicity on the "trnc" with the JLo affair, the hotel will not benefit if the people won't come in the first place, and those who already do come, will doubt they will spend the inflated rates to stay there, but perhaps only use the casino instead..!

The thing you leave out every time kiks is that we have a story to tell also......Let them learn how we came to be......I welcome it!

[Acikgoz]

Just read in NYTimes, she was due to perform on July 24th, not 20th. Does anyone have clarity on that point?
If it was to have been the 24th then I pull retract the comment of understanding the sensitivities of her performance. Do you think the spin-doctors got the better of me - I think so ...

[bill cobbett]

BREAKING NEWS


This from The New York Times within the last hour

Lopez Facing Possible Lawsuit After Canceling Cyprus Show
By DAVE ITZKOFF

Rahav Segev for The New York Times
Jennifer Lopez performing at Madison Square Garden.
A hotel in Cyprus said that it may sue Jennifer Lopez after the singer withdrew from a scheduled performance for fear that the show would be construed as making a political statement, Agence France-Presse reported. Ms. Lopez was to perform at the Cratos Premium hotel and casino complex in Turkish-occupied northern Cyprus on July 24, an event that Greek Cypriots said would further polarize the country, which has been divided since the 1970s and whose northern region is recognized only by Turkey. Ms. Lopez’s representatives said last week that she would not perform the concert, citing their “sensitivity to the political realities of the region.” But Murat Bozoglu, the chief executive of the company that runs Cratos Premium, told Agence France-Presse that Ms. Lopez’s contract for the show had not been canceled. “If she does not show up for the concert, we will begin a procedure in the courts to claim $35-40 million in damages,” Mr. Bozoglu said.


Oh dear, old news. ... unless we're gonna believe a bit of bravado, bluster and spin from Mr Bogozlu