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[fi]

The follwing discussion was split by erolz out from this thread

http://www.cyprus-forum.com/viewtopic.php?t=3042

Are you aware of the CIA's "stay-behing" operation?

The network of paramilitary/terrorist groups the US setup in the 50's to "combat" terrorism in Europe & Turkey. The were engaged in killings of political persons, liberal voices etc.

"In the 1950s, the United States was concerned that the Soviet
Union would conquer much of Western Europe. The CIA and the
Pentagon came up with a plan to establish secret resistance groups
within various Western European countries that would fight back
against the predicted Soviet occupation. These groups were called
"stay behind" organizations: little cells of paramilitary units that
would take on the Soviets behind enemy lines. Belgium, France,
Holland, Greece, Italy, and Germany have all acknowledged that
they participated in the covert network.

The United States funded these stay behind groups for decades.
Even though there was no Soviet occupation, some of the groups
did take up arms--against leftwing dissidents in their own
countries. Some descendants of these groups are still at it,
especially in Turkey."
http://www.totse.com/en/politics/terror ... turkt.html

It was first discovered in Italy going by the name Gladio. In Greece it was called LOK and of course a group was active in Turkey

http://www.copi.com/articles/guyatt/gladio.html
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/4640247.stm
http://www.anagnosis.gr/index.php?pageID=226&la=eng by John L. Tomkinson

These were the people believed responsible for the murder of politician Lambrakis in Greece in 1963. Then for the Coup d'Etat in 1967 which was CIA's plan in case of communist insurgence in Greece.

Do you know that Mr. Denktash flue to Turkey and met with the "stay behind" paramilitary group there to connect it with the terrosist organisation TMT which he had formed in Cyprus.

In November 1957 TMT was formed by the crown prosecutor Mr. Rauf Denktas, Kemal Tarnisevnti and Mpourhan Nalmantoglou (apologies for the spellings). End of December Denktas and Kucuk went to Ankara with the mission to connect TMT with the Turkish "Gladius" and then met with General Ntanis Karampelen in hotel "Modern Palas". The general had served in Korea in 1952-1953 and when he came back he was placed in the Turkish branch of "stay-behind"

In 1958 the Command of TMT Turkey was formed and in July the Command of TMT Cyprus. In the same year Buruskan (not sure about spelling) arived in the island as an inspector of the Bank of Labour with 11 acting officers and 14 backups which appeared as teachers and school inspectors. Buruskan was also called Bozkurt i.e. grey wolf which was the insignia of TMT. The ship "Elmas" starting making rounds to Kokkina with weapons for Cyprus.

To make a long storry short the Greek branch of "stay behind" started making contact with Grivas. EOKA-B is considered of taking direct orders from the "stay-behind" branch in Greece. As well as Nikos Sampson was believed to have relations with the CIA.....

[fi]

This might interest you as well,

Giorkatzis, whom after the declaration of the ROC moved to the ministry of interiors connected immediately with CIA. With funding and techical mean which he received from the US was observing the moves of the left and gave the info to the CIA. Head of this network was George Lagodontis ex-antispy agent of EOKA but also an agent of the british, as Lagodontis says the funds came from CIA as cash and he handled them himself. Lagodontis was funding organizations as the Organization of Protection of Greeks in Cyprus of Nikos Sampson and the Anticommunist Organisation of Youth.

In the meantime and despite the signing of the Zurich-London agreements the Turkish paramilitary orginization TMT was not desolved but was involved at terrorising Turkish Cypriots to cut off their relations with Greek Cypriots. Their politics was based on the moto "from Turk to Turk" i.e. only have dealings between each other and not Greeks. The Turkish Cypriots that didn't comply had to pay heavy "fines". After the signing of the agreements TMT was re-enforced heavily with mean and arms by Turkey.

....does this mean that even at the signing of the treaty Turkey had other plans for Cyprus!!! Was this partrneship doomed from the beggining....

"Elefterotypia - 28/11/2002"

[fi]

So any thoughts to this.

[gabaston]

yeah

Nothing surprising
has any nation or people not got a secret service or diplomatic circles?

USA was fighting cold war, as was Britain and Western Europe and turkey. Stay behinds and or CIA no big deal.

Fi even before the signing of the treaty there were always going to be best case worse case plans from all sides. Tc was fully aware gc demands for enosis would resurface with the British out of the way. Gc knew they had to tread carefully to avoid evoking Turkish guarantor powers, and that tc would respond to enosis with calls for taksim.

Eggshells everywhere. IMHO Makarios elected for a policy of political frustration on Tc hoping tc numbers would dwindle. Some tc responded with provocation to stir it up in the belief that if the troubles were big enough Turkey would get involved.

i have never heard of any accounts of tc being forced by tc into enclaves, and i've heard losttof cyprus stories, but i will ask and if i hear of any i will post.

Also could be possible that the coup was backed and funded by USA…………..who knows?

[Main_Source]

i have never heard of any accounts of tc being forced by tc into enclaves

So what kind of example is the TMT setting...when it kills well known members of the TC community who oppose their ideologies...like taksim for example.

[gabaston]

ms

why are u asking about ideollogies? libraries have been written on that.

i am merely commenting that of all the stories iv heard 60 - 67 i have not heard of tc -tc violence.

it probably did happen but none of my family or friends heard of any.

some on this site are making out as if the whole cyprob is about turkeys secret taksim plans.

lets get it straight - The cyprob is about tc's not wanting to
(a) to be ruled by greece
(b) leave cyprus
(c) be converted into gc
(d) be killed

taksim was a response to Enosis and or the above.
If these ideollogies had not been acceptable to gc there would be no cyprob. gc were in power, they called the shots, tc reacted.
its called self defence, which is an accepted legal defence in most civilised countries in the world. however in cyprus this did not apply. gc could not understand the tc logic of defending themselves and their families. Gc still has a problem accepting and undestanding that even today.

[JustAnAmerican]

has any nation or people not got a secret service or diplomatic circles?


Also could be possible that the coup was backed and funded by USA…………..who knows?

Sure some nations do not use Ministries of Foreign Affairs or Diplomatic circles in order to gain intelligence. Some don’t need to. Either the country is too small to worry about or they are being fed intelligence by another country concerning their enemies. Some of the larger countries do not have any service in diplomatic circles either, not because they can’t afford the extra people, but because both countries intelligence services work together very closely. They do not need to interact covertly. If the need something they just call each other up and meet for coffee.

There are volumes about who funded the coup what was the complete involvement of whom? What action or lack of action was executed by what group?

Fact (some may not know), there were USG officials working out of offices in Kyrenia and Keravas that had NO IDEA what was going to happen and they were working for the CIA.

You need to understand something. When you meet someone from the CIA, they don’t give a business card with their address in Langley, Virginia. They may say they are from the US government or they may say they are from a US business firm.
Every one of your current military leaders and civilian leaders in the TRNC and RoC have met with CIA officials within the last few years, they just did not realize it. On paper (check the public record of the officials iteniery) , it was the Department of Interior Development or the Transnational Integration Company, or he may just be friends with his local neighbor next door who seems friendly enough.

The historical leaders of the 1963-1974 conflict met with people that they may have NOT fully known who they were.
Always keep in mind, for every US American asset in a country there are always 5 to 6 more local Foreign Nationals actually doing the work for the sake of the CIA.

[Main_Source]

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[Main_Source]

yeah, im sure you wanna keep the corrupt Americans so you can live in our houses and land...dont ya Erolz.

[demetriou_74]

americans funding terrorists that will later come back to bite them in the ars. where have we heard that before??