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[denizaksulu]

Might help mate if you cut it out with the personal abuse directed towards others.

Anyway, leaving that aside, the question was asked in the OP, and it's been answered.

No matter how much you do not like the answers, they remain valid and truthful answers. Once the question is asked there's no getting away from the answers.

Perhaps it's the question you're not comfortable with?

Perhaps VP was referring to pre-1974.

I remember GCs in my village (albeit the younger ones) beginning to hate us in 1957-58. The older generation did not hate us then.

Well thought the question was posed in the present tense.

Anyway,my late grandmother lived in a back-water of a village (even though it is/was on the main road to A. Andreas) up near the top end of the Karpas. A very mixed village, she lived in amongst tissies, without probs, certainly nothing that she mentioned in her monthly airmails to us in London.

The problem back then up there was the daily struggle to put food on the table, things like eoka, tmt etc didn't get a look in up there.

We all have similar and differing experiences. Now make sense out of that.

[denizaksulu]

:shock: It’s all news to VP! All these years he thought GCs woke up one day and unanimously decided to hate Turkey because they had nothing better to do!

Turkish troops landed Cyprus on a sunny peaceful day to save TCs from peaceful non-killer christian south cypriots.

Where does it say that Turkey’s job was to save Turkish Cypriots?

http://www.mfa.gov.cy/mfa/mfa2006.nsf/A ... BF00394F11

Turkey’s DUTY (in accordance with her signature) was to save ALL CYPRIOTS irrespective of their ethnicity or religion, from any outside danger such as that of the 15th July Greek overthrowing of the government of Cyprus and murder of 100 odd GC people who rushed to defend their president/country; under which Turkish Cypriots also lived but did not bother to lift a finger!

But instead of doing that, Turkey murdered even more Greek Cypriots… some 5,000 of them, and took measures that would deny many more thousands their homes for the last 35 years.

If Turkey came to save people then she was looking in the wrong place raiding villages from Kyrenia to Nicosia, because by the 20th of July when she landed on Cyprus there were 96 GCs dead, 97 coupists dead, and ZERO Turkish Cypriots dead!

It may well have happened if the TA were welcomed with open arms by the GCs instead of 'deadly arms'.(no pun intended) We will never know now will we?

[Viewpoint]

You Gcs continue to display venom and hate towards TCs this forum being a prime example, how do you expect to promote and encourage understanding when your posts only confirm and support why we should never unite. The TCs are the victims in all this mess, you are all bitter and twisted sick to the stomach because you thought you could act the bully and treat TCs like shit and get away with it but you found that was not the case and got your butts well and truely slapped for treating the TCs the way you did, lets face reality the bully got bullied, serve them right they got some of their own medicine back, it was your own fault and the few you claim were the culprits put you all at risk because your silence supported their actions. Keep up with the same old rehtoric as you can all see it has it will continue to get you no where which is exactly what you all deserve.

but tcs know how to demonstrate when there is a gain...

lets face it you are outnumbered big time and your vote today counts for nothing...

So? isnt it a problem for you people as well, we have come to terms with returningto our roots, you have helped us achieve this but unfortunately you are so stupid to see how it indirectly really seals your loss of the north, you try to insult us but your are pissing in the wind.

so what exactly have the gcs lost...it's not as if you gonna evict gcs now is it?...

return to your roots and stop whining...hopefully one your kids will bring you a newly rooted settler home...

we have many marriages between Turks who arrived 400 years ago and those who arrived 20 years ago, lets take it even further we even have marriages between Turkish Cypriots and Turks who have never been to Cyprus and Italians, English so on so on, so what?

If you still havent worked out what GCs have lost then you you yourself are a lost caused, if you dont know what you have lost then why the hell do you want it back?

[bill cobbett]

Might help mate if you cut it out with the personal abuse directed towards others.

Anyway, leaving that aside, the question was asked in the OP, and it's been answered.

No matter how much you do not like the answers, they remain valid and truthful answers. Once the question is asked there's no getting away from the answers.

Perhaps it's the question you're not comfortable with?

Perhaps VP was referring to pre-1974.

I remember GCs in my village (albeit the younger ones) beginning to hate us in 1957-58. The older generation did not hate us then.

Well thought the question was posed in the present tense.

Anyway,my late grandmother lived in a back-water of a village (even though it is/was on the main road to A. Andreas) up near the top end of the Karpas. A very mixed village, she lived in amongst tissies, without probs, certainly nothing that she mentioned in her monthly airmails to us in London.

The problem back then up there was the daily struggle to put food on the table, things like eoka, tmt etc didn't get a look in up there.

We all have similar and differing experiences. Now make sense out of that.

Well have no experience cos was a long way away, but perhaps ...

places like Anglisidhes, Kophinou, Ayios Theodoros (Larnaca District), are far more strategically important than my backwater of an old village in the Karpas.

[denizaksulu]

Might help mate if you cut it out with the personal abuse directed towards others.

Anyway, leaving that aside, the question was asked in the OP, and it's been answered.

No matter how much you do not like the answers, they remain valid and truthful answers. Once the question is asked there's no getting away from the answers.

Perhaps it's the question you're not comfortable with?

Perhaps VP was referring to pre-1974.

I remember GCs in my village (albeit the younger ones) beginning to hate us in 1957-58. The older generation did not hate us then.

Well thought the question was posed in the present tense.

Anyway,my late grandmother lived in a back-water of a village (even though it is/was on the main road to A. Andreas) up near the top end of the Karpas. A very mixed village, she lived in amongst tissies, without probs, certainly nothing that she mentioned in her monthly airmails to us in London.

The problem back then up there was the daily struggle to put food on the table, things like eoka, tmt etc didn't get a look in up there.

We all have similar and differing experiences. Now make sense out of that.

Well have no experience cos was a long way away, but perhaps ...

places like Anglisidhes, Kophinou, Ayios Theodoros (Larnaca District), are far more strategically important than my backwater of an old village in the Karpas.

You missed out Kivisili/Civisil. Thats where I learnt that there were Turkish Cypriots you could trust - like when Uncle Cemal/Djemal was entrusted to ensure the safety of the Greek church opposite his house. His (uncle Cemals) son still feels the slap on his face he received from his father when he attempted to remove the cross from the top of the church.

This, later saved his life when Greek soldiers stopped his bus and detained him. Local Greek Cypriots went to Larnaca and secured his release. We thought we'd never see him again. (unlike others who had disappear).

[bill cobbett]

Might help mate if you cut it out with the personal abuse directed towards others.

Anyway, leaving that aside, the question was asked in the OP, and it's been answered.

No matter how much you do not like the answers, they remain valid and truthful answers. Once the question is asked there's no getting away from the answers.

Perhaps it's the question you're not comfortable with?

Perhaps VP was referring to pre-1974.

I remember GCs in my village (albeit the younger ones) beginning to hate us in 1957-58. The older generation did not hate us then.

Well thought the question was posed in the present tense.

Anyway,my late grandmother lived in a back-water of a village (even though it is/was on the main road to A. Andreas) up near the top end of the Karpas. A very mixed village, she lived in amongst tissies, without probs, certainly nothing that she mentioned in her monthly airmails to us in London.

The problem back then up there was the daily struggle to put food on the table, things like eoka, tmt etc didn't get a look in up there.

We all have similar and differing experiences. Now make sense out of that.

Well have no experience cos was a long way away, but perhaps ...

places like Anglisidhes, Kophinou, Ayios Theodoros (Larnaca District), are far more strategically important than my backwater of an old village in the Karpas.

You missed out Kivisili/Civisil. Thats where I learnt that there were Turkish Cypriots you could trust - like when Uncle Cemal/Djemal was entrusted to ensure the safety of the Greek church opposite his house. His (uncle Cemals) son still feels the slap on his face he received from his father when he attempted to remove the cross from the top of the church.

This, later saved his life when Greek soldiers stopped his bus and detained him. Local Greek Cypriots went to Larnaca and secured his release.

Yes, kept the list short. As you may recall I know Kivisili very well, Mrs C has relis there, visited many, many times. Still remains as it was. very unchanged.

[denizaksulu]

Might help mate if you cut it out with the personal abuse directed towards others.

Anyway, leaving that aside, the question was asked in the OP, and it's been answered.

No matter how much you do not like the answers, they remain valid and truthful answers. Once the question is asked there's no getting away from the answers.

Perhaps it's the question you're not comfortable with?

Perhaps VP was referring to pre-1974.

I remember GCs in my village (albeit the younger ones) beginning to hate us in 1957-58. The older generation did not hate us then.

Well thought the question was posed in the present tense.

Anyway,my late grandmother lived in a back-water of a village (even though it is/was on the main road to A. Andreas) up near the top end of the Karpas. A very mixed village, she lived in amongst tissies, without probs, certainly nothing that she mentioned in her monthly airmails to us in London.

The problem back then up there was the daily struggle to put food on the table, things like eoka, tmt etc didn't get a look in up there.

We all have similar and differing experiences. Now make sense out of that.

Well have no experience cos was a long way away, but perhaps ...

places like Anglisidhes, Kophinou, Ayios Theodoros (Larnaca District), are far more strategically important than my backwater of an old village in the Karpas.

You missed out Kivisili/Civisil. Thats where I learnt that there were Turkish Cypriots you could trust - like when Uncle Cemal/Djemal was entrusted to ensure the safety of the Greek church opposite his house. His (uncle Cemals) son still feels the slap on his face he received from his father when he attempted to remove the cross from the top of the church.

This, later saved his life when Greek soldiers stopped his bus and detained him. Local Greek Cypriots went to Larnaca and secured his release.

Yes, kept the list short. As you may recall I know Kivisili very well, Mrs C has relis there, visited many, many times. Still remains as it was. very unchanged.

I'd like to agree with you but was surprised that so many buildings were erected around the church. The very same church where we all welcomed the Annual Panagyri. The house nearest to it, the one with the balcony belonged to Uncle Djemal (RIP). The church almost looks insignificant among the new build. I wish I took a photo, but was too shocked.

Alethriko has grown ever so big though.

[Nikitas]

"If you still havent worked out what GCs have lost "

It aint over till the fat lady sings. The battle was lost, the war is still going on. And the ones who lost the intermediate peace are not the GCs, it is the TCs and their unique culture.

Someone with a minimal IQ would have asked themselves why the GCs opposed the Coup and its mainland Greek agents. It is because they did not want the fate that Turkey had in store for TCs. But the TCs fell for the trap laid by Turkey, were caught, and cannot see their way out, even now. It is your last chance, but you keep playing this arrogant game and you will lose the war and be left with sad memories, not of Cyprus, but of yourselves and how you used to be.

[denizaksulu]

"If you still havent worked out what GCs have lost "

It aint over till the fat lady sings. The battle was lost, the war is still going on. And the ones who lost the intermediate peace are not the GCs, it is the TCs and their unique culture.

Someone with a minimal IQ would have asked themselves why the GCs opposed the Coup and its mainland Greek agents. It is because they did not want the fate that Turkey had in store for TCs. But the TCs fell for the trap laid by Turkey, were caught, and cannot see their way out, even now. It is your last chance, but you keep playing this arrogant game and you will lose the war and be left with sad memories, not of Cyprus, but of yourselves and how you used to be.

It is ok to say this now Nikitas. No one knew what they know now. Pointless making statements with hindsight. But please dont let me stop you.

[Viewpoint]

"If you still havent worked out what GCs have lost "

It aint over till the fat lady sings. The battle was lost, the war is still going on. And the ones who lost the intermediate peace are not the GCs, it is the TCs and their unique culture.

Someone with a minimal IQ would have asked themselves why the GCs opposed the Coup and its mainland Greek agents. It is because they did not want the fate that Turkey had in store for TCs. But the TCs fell for the trap laid by Turkey, were caught, and cannot see their way out, even now. It is your last chance, but you keep playing this arrogant game and you will lose the war and be left with sad memories, not of Cyprus, but of yourselves and how you used to be.

Every country is evolving and the TRNC is no different, have you heard of globalisation and the effects it is having on not just the worldwide economy but cultures and people attitudes towards each others ethnic origins. The fat lady sang loud and clear in 2004 and she was called the AP but you people chose to ignore her, its a reflection of who the arrogant side was and still is, we are now further from a solution than we have ever been, with the international platform constantly changing and the benefits to the bigger nations remaining the priority you will soon discover that nothing will be the same and your version of a solution will not materialize as it was the fat lady that sang the last song.

Do you understand that we do not see assilimiaiton with Turkey as a disadvaatage, its only a forced assimilation with GCs that we will continue defiantly fight against, thats why we need the parameters we do to ensure this will never happen. The empty train of losing our Cypriotism you peddle left the station in 1963, you had that chnace and lost it. Now without a solution both sides will develop in their own manner, you people are heading for an economic crisis, plus no solution will drive GC refugees towards salavaging what they can from the now recognized IPC in the north and we are slowly but surely uniting with Turkey which we feel is the better alternative when we consider and experience the arrogance and bloody mindedness of the GCs in the south.