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Turkey's State of Terror

Postby boomerang » Sat Jun 26, 2010 4:00 am

Turkey's State of Terror
Written by Daniel Greenfield - SultanKnish.blogspot.com
Wednesday, 23 June 2010 00:42

This week Turkish forces invaded Iraq and its warplanes bombed 7 Kurdish villages killing a teenage girl and wounding her mother and 3 year old sister. A week ago Iran had done the same things, killing a 14 year old girl and a 45 year old woman. There are no shouts of protest. No worldwide demonstrations. The Obama administration and the media did not deliver any lectures on disproportionate force. Not even when Erdogan vowed to drown the Kurdish rebels "in their own blood".

Instead Ambassador James J. Jeffrey slavishly rushed to assure Turkey's Thug in Chief Erdogan that the PKK was also America's enemy and promised to "urgently" review any request for help against them. No such help was offered to the Kurds, whose villages were being bombed from the sky using planes sold to Turkey by the United States. Despite the fact that Iraqi Kurds, unlike Turkey, supported the US liberation of Iraq. Because that's what friends of the United States get from the Obama Administration. A kick in the face. And what our enemies get is a slobbering kiss on the cheek.

The PKK is a terrorist organization, but it is not our enemy and it does not have anything to do with us. Any reason for providing aid to Turkey against the PKK ended with the Cold War. Especially considering Turkey's shakedown of the US during the Kosovo operation and its refusal to support US forces in the liberation of Iraq. The United States has no reason to provide military assistance to a regime that is not willing to do the same.

While the US has consistently backed Turkey against the PKK-- the Turkish regime has in response accused the US of supporting the PKK in order to divide Turkey. Ankara knows very well that this is a lie, but it is part of a domestic campaign aimed at demonizing the US. Just as the chairman of the ruling AKP Islamist party, Hüseyin Çelik, has accused Israel of being behind the PKK bombing in İskenderun (legally Syrian territory, in practice occupied Kurdistan) in order to continue the regime's campaign of hateful incitement. (This is particularly ironic as Turkey is actually using Israeli drones against the Kurdish rebels, and Israel's Benjamin Netanyahu helped Turkey capture PKK leader Abdullah Ocalan.) Further exploiting the more recent Istanbul bus bombing for all it's worth, Erdogan accused everyone from the media to his own political opposition of being tied up with the attacks.

The hypocrisy here is rather pungent as bus bombings were a common tool of the Hamas terrorist organization, which is closely supported by Erdogan. As a radical Islamist, Erdogan's ties to terrorism run deep. Not only was he personally jailed, but Erdogan and his AKP party are tied up with Yassin Qadi, a Saudi businessman who was marked by the US Treasury as a "Specially Designated Global Terrorist"who funneled millions of dollars to Osama bin Laden. Cuneyt Zapsu, a co-founder of the AKP party and an Erdogan advisor, meanwhile only passed along 300,000 dollars to Al Queda, through Qadi.

Meanwhile in a country where members of a Kurdish youth choir as young as 12 were arrested and faced years in prison for singing a Kurdish folk song, that also happens to be the anthem of the anthem of Iraq's Kurdistan Regional Government at the San Francisco International Music Festival in 2007-- Al Queda openly publishes its own magazine, "Kaide" out of an office in the middle of Istanbul. This is no accident. Erdogan claims there's no such thing as Islamic terrorism, just as he claimed that there's no such thing as genocide by Muslims, when he welcomed Sudan's mass murdering leader, Omar Hassan al-Bashir, who is wanted for crimes against humanity. What Erdogan has done is legitimize Muslim terrorism and genocide. Even as he rants about Kurdish attacks on Turkey.

It's understandable why Erdogan and his regime would be worried about the Kurds. Turkey occupies and rules over 12 million of them. And those are the official statistics of a regime which at one time actually criminalized any attempt to list separate Kurdish populations. Suggesting that the real numbers may be far higher. But the real question is why we should care. Erdogan and the AKP are pushing Turkey on an anti-American path. Meanwhile the Kurds are vital to stabilizing Iraq. Which suggests that perhaps we should be focusing more on the rights of the Kurds, than the demands of the Turks.

But the US and Europe have turned a blind eye to everything Turkey does. Even when Erdogan openly threatened to ethnically cleanse Armenians again, if they complained about Turkey's original genocide of their people, in the presence of UK Prime Minister Gordon Brown. Nor did Brown raise the subject with Erdogan. Unlike when Israeli soldiers board a Turkish boat sent to aid Hamas, are stabbed and beaten and defend themselves, then the British government quickly demanded answers from Israel. That is because like every Islamist regime, Turkey gets a free pass to do whatever it likes, whether it's occupying Cyprus, invading Iraq and bombing villages there, or imprisoning 12 year olds for singing folk songs. And Turkey's pipeline power doesn't hurt either, as Europe finds itself on the wrong end of energy based hydraulic despotism.

Germany may keep Turkey out of the EU, not that Europe would have survived more than a decade of a state of affairs in which a Muslim population in the tens of millions, half of whom earns 20 dollars a month suddenly had access to every country in the EU. But the apologetics being penned for Turkey in the Western media claiming that Turkey's move to the Islamist camp is the act of a spurned EU lover, have it wrong. This was a long range and well financed effort accomplished by the same Saudis who funded Al Queda. Turkey once made the transition from Imperialism to Fascism. Now it is going from Fascism to Islamism.

Meanwhile European humanitarians and American liberals will continue vocally denouncing Israel for every talking point sent their way by Hamas. But suppose they spare a glance for 12 million Kurds living under Erdogan's oppression. Or its Armenians who dare not lift their heads. Or the continuing occupation of Cyprus. Or perhaps the ongoing imprisonment of Leyla Zana, who on becoming the first woman elected to the Turkish parliament was sentenced to ten years in jail for taking her oath in Kurdish. Despite winning the Sakharov Prize and being nominated twice for the Nobel Peace Prize, Zana is still in jail today. Perhaps in between declaring boycotts against Israel (though of course they oppose collective punishment) such "luminaries" as Ken Loach, John Berger, Iain Banks, Eve Ensler and Danny Glover might give a thought for her, and for what an actual totalitarian regime that occupies the lands of other people and suppresses their identities looks like.

But of course that would require integrity, which is in rather short supply among those folks. That is the same reason why human rights has become a sham. Why genocide could go on in the Sudan, while human rights groups panhandling for donations in Saudi Arabia, have focused mainly on raving and ranting against Israel. It's why the Human Rights Council at the UN features such notable defenders of human rights as Saudi Arabia, Cuba and Russia. And why Erdogan feels free to conduct a state of terror at home, and even invade Iraq, because he knows that he will never be held accountable for it.

http://www.rightsidenews.com/2010062310713/global-terrorism/turkeys-state-of-terror.html

all i can say is keep up the good work turkey, and your rewards are just around the corner... :wink:
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Postby bill cobbett » Sat Jun 26, 2010 10:00 pm

This may be of interest on to those interested in what may be the changing state of US/Turkey relations.

Over a week old from http://congress.blogs.foxnews.com/2010/ ... er-israel/

Lawmakers Threaten Turkey with Reprisals Over Israel
Turkey is a member of NATO and a long-term ally of the United States.
But you’d never know it to hear the contempt some members of Congress now have for Turkey after Israel intercepted a flotilla bound for Gaza and shot pro-Palestinian, Turkish activists on board.
“As far as I am concerned, Turkey is responsible for the nine deaths on that flotilla. Not Israel,” said Rep. Shelley Berkley (D-NV). “I draw a line that they have just crossed.”
“I think because Turkey is a NATO ally, it’s even more disgraceful,” said Rep. Eliot Engel (D-NY).
Then a threat, from the third-ranking Republican in the House, GOP Conference Chairman Mike Pence (R-IN).
“There will be a cost if Turkey stays on its current heading,” Pence warned. “Turkey needs to count the cost.”
“The cost” Pence speaks of is a resolution that’s offered almost annually in the House to recognize the Armenian genocide. The non-binding measure notes how the Ottoman Empire (which controlled much of what is now Turkey) massacred the Armenian population in 1915.
Turkey has always opposed the bill. But Pence and others hinted they might consider changing their vote if the legislation surfaces again.
But the reprisals just don’t stop at the House floor.
Berkley noted that she has met with representatives of the Turkish government for years. But she is changing that stance after recent events. The Nevada Democrat says she got a call from a PR firm that’s working with Turkey after the flotilla incident.
“Turkey is on a charm offensive this week,” Berkley said. “They will not be welcome in my office until I see a change in policy.”
Some of the lawmakers fretted about what they viewed as a “turn” from Turkey away from Europe and to focus more on Iran and other nations.
“This is a clear effort to distance Turkey from the west,” said Rep. Pete King (R-NY).
Engel also expressed concern about recent political leanings in the Turkish government.
“It has a strong Islamic bent,” said Engel.
Berkley argued the European Union should stop courting Turkey as a potential member.
“They don’t deserve the recognition and don’t deserve to be part of the EU,” she said.
Reps. Ted Poe (R-TX) and Gary Peters (D-MI) have crafted a letter to President Obama urging him to “thwart international condemnation and focus the international community on the crimes of the Iran-backed Hamas leadership against Israel.”
Nearly 130 House members from both sides of the aisle have signed the letter, including House Majority Leader Steny Hoyer (D-MD) and Minority Leader John Boehner (R-OH).
“(Israel) fell into the trap that was set for it by Turkey,” Berkley said.
Turkey has been a prominent ally of the U.S. for decades. It served as an eastern bulwark against Warsaw Pact nations and was home to Jupiter Missiles pointed at the Soviet Union during the Cuban Missile Crisis. The U.S. used Incirlik Air Base to launch strikes against Iraq during the Gulf War. Turkey also played key roles in operations in Afghanistan after September 11th and during the war against Iraq in 2003
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Postby Cap » Sun Jun 27, 2010 12:00 am

Turkey Cancels 20-Year Water Sales to Israel.


http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/138163
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Postby Acikgoz » Sun Jun 27, 2010 1:35 am

Haaretz
Envoy to Washington fears U.S.-Israeli relations in 'tectonic rift,' diplomats say
By Barak Ravid Israel's ambassador to Washington, Michael Oren, painted a dark picture of U.S.-Israeli relations during a briefing at the Foreign Ministry in Jerusalem last week. Israeli diplomats say Oren described the current situation as a "tectonic rift" in which Israel and the United States are like continents drifting apart.

Oren's comments come in the run-up to the July 6 meeting between Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and U.S. President Barack Obama at the White House.

Oren visited Israel over the past week, briefing Israelis at the ministry's North America and research divisions. Five Israeli diplomats, some of whom took part in the briefing or were informed about the details, said Oren described relations between the two countries in bleak terms.

Oren, however, has denied making such statements.

According to the Israeli diplomats, Oren said relations between the two countries are not in a crisis because a crisis is something that passes. Oren opted to use terms from geology: "Relations are in the state of a tectonic rift in which continents are drifting apart."

Oren noted that contrary to Obama's predecessors - George W. Bush and Bill Clinton - the current president is not motivated by historical-ideological sentiments toward Israel but by cold interests and considerations. He added that his access as Israel's ambassador to senior administration officials and close advisers of the president is good. But Obama has very tight control over his immediate environment, and it is hard to influence him.

"This is a one-man show," Oren is quoted as saying.

The Israeli ambassador said the events of the Gaza-bound flotilla stirred a great deal of anti-Israel reaction - in the United States, too. Only after a few days did the situation balance out.

"Even our close friends came out against us," Oren said. "Only after some time, when video from the ship arrived and was aired by the American media, did public opinion begin to shift in Israel's favor."

In the days after the violent takeover of the Turkish ship bound for the Gaza Strip, Oren granted more than 20 media interviews in the United States, helping give Israel's version of the story.

Meanwhile, Netanyahu is scheduled to meet for the fifth time with Obama in a bid to build trust and rehabilitate ties with the United States.

Defense Minister Ehud Barak visited Washington last week and met with Vice President Joe Biden, White House Chief of Staff Rahm Emanuel and Secretary of State Hillary Clinton.

Senator John Kerry, who heads the Senate Foreign Affairs Committee, is due to visit Israel and meet with Netanyahu, Barak and President Shimon Peres.

Also last week, Pentagon and Defense Ministry officials held talks in Israel within the framework of the two countries' strategic dialogue that focuses on maintaining the Israel Defense Forces' technological edge over Arab armies.

The U.S. undersecretary of defense for policy, Michele Flournoy, told Haaretz that "defense ties between Israel and the United States are stronger than ever." She said the United States is giving Israel access to the most advanced systems of the American defense industry.

The special U.S. envoy to the Middle East, George Mitchell, is due for a fifth round of indirect talks between Israel and the Palestinians Authority.

Late last week, for the first time since the Netanyahu government formed, senior officials from Israel and the Palestinian Authority - Dan Meridor and Saeb Erekat - met with representatives of the 15 members of the UN Security Council.
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Postby boomerang » Sun Jun 27, 2010 2:22 am

you are dreaming acie...the worst was with jonathan pollard, and it didn''t even shake the alliance...

nothing comes between israel and the US...

if it came down for the us in chosing sides between turkey and israel, i am afraid turkey will lose big time...
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Postby Acikgoz » Sun Jun 27, 2010 3:08 am

Boomy, national interests trump friendships however longstanding. I'm not dreaming, nor am I saying US abandons Israel. US policy on Israel is continuing to extol a significant price for the US - Turkey's involvement was a catalyst for revisiting the responsibilities of the US-Israel alliance. Turkey is getting whipped by the neo-cons but Turkey has far from overstepped the mark.
Keep dreaming if you believe this is the beginning of the end of Turkey US relations.

US involvement in Iraq and Afganistan has cost them a fortune and their deficit is growing, they will need to be more pragmatic over the net decade. They will be looking for their allies to stop undermining their influence and costing them money.
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Postby boomerang » Sun Jun 27, 2010 3:13 am

Acikgoz wrote:Boomy, national interests trump friendships however longstanding. I'm not dreaming, nor am I saying US abandons Israel. US policy on Israel is continuing to extol a significant price for the US - Turkey's involvement was a catalyst for revisiting the responsibilities of the US-Israel alliance. Turkey is getting whipped by the neo-cons but Turkey has far from overstepped the mark.
Keep dreaming if you believe this is the beginning of the end of Turkey US relations.

US involvement in Iraq and Afganistan has cost them a fortune and their deficit is growing, they will need to be more pragmatic over the net decade. They will be looking for their allies to stop undermining their influence and costing them money.


short and sweet acie...the pimp will always bitchslap the pro, read turkey in this case...

ofcourse the pro has a choice...she can always abandon the pimp, for another pimp... :lol:
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Postby Paphitis » Sun Jun 27, 2010 3:26 am

boomerang wrote:you are dreaming acie...the worst was with jonathan pollard, and it didn''t even shake the alliance...

nothing comes between israel and the US...

if it came down for the us in chosing sides between turkey and israel, i am afraid turkey will lose big time...


This is the big shift that we have been waiting for. One of 2 things will happen. Either the US and Israel will encourage the Turkish Military to depose the AKP or the rift between Turkey, and Israel will get bigger.

And who will we be supporting? Well, this is a very easy question to answer! Turkey is now under surveillance, even by Australia now through the most sophisticated espionage network known, otherwise known as ECHELON. So we are able to say that we have already decided who our ally is and who we will shaft should things develop even more. And potentially, the US will use Cyprus for leverage and could very well decide to punish Turkey. The Armenian Genocide is another issue that will be bought up, as well as the Kurdish right for self determination in Eastern Turkey and Northern Iraq.

As you say, foreign diplomacy is never static. At one time, even Saddam Hussein was a US/CIA puppet. Look at what happened to him!
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Postby wyoming cowboy » Sun Jun 27, 2010 8:19 am

I doubt that the US would abandon either Turkey or Israel, It may even seem that Uncle Sam has learned his lessons throughout the years ie Iran...If Turkey would have kept up seemingly close ties to Israel or continued to be perceived by its population of being a puppet for the West, then a revolution would have been inevitable. Ill give Erdogan , Gul and Devertoglu some serious credit for trying to keep the balance between the two contradictory forces of Turkey...The strict secular population including the army and the fundemental Islamic population, which is slowly becoming the majority of Turkey....

I dont buy the fact that Turkey would be allowed to act without the green light of the USA. in any direction....These acts by Turkey are happenning in order to attract the Arab population towards Turkey and its secularism......The show must go on!!!!!!!!
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