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Postby boomerang » Sat Jun 26, 2010 3:24 am

Turkey’s Deception

Turkish Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan’s self-righteous proclamations in defense of the Palestinian Islamist terrorist group Hamas — (i.e. “Hamas is not a terrorist group,” “Hamas are resistance fighters who are struggling to defend their land, and they have won an election,” etc.) — are glaringly hypocritical and in accord with his Islamist ideological bent. Erdogan has become sufficiently confident in the wake of his July 2007 electoral victory. His Justice and Development party, known as AKP, received 47% of the vote, enabling him to form a single-party government, and he has since sought to forge an Islamic agenda for Turkey. His actions reveal his intent to lead the Arab and Muslim East while gambling that the Obama administration and the European Union will ignore his Islamist rhetoric and his increasingly radical actions. Aside from becoming a champion of Hamas, he is charting a course towards a revival of Ottoman hegemony by restoring the seat and center of the Caliphate.

The United Arab Emirate-based online news source, The National, reported on June 15, 2010, that “Turkey embarked on the road to a ‘Middle East Union’ as an alternative to the European Union.” The National quoted from a front page article that appeared in the Turkish daily Milliyet regarding the signing of a free-trade agreement between Turkey, Syria, Lebanon, and Jordan.

A speech given by President Obama before the Turkish parliament in April 2009, during which Obama declared, “Let me say this as clearly as I can: the United States is not and will never be at war with Islam,” encouraged Erdogan to ramp up his efforts. Erdogan, no doubt, is also counting on the European lack of moral courage. As such, he was able to provoke a crisis with Israel by funding and indirectly arming the flotilla that sought to break Israel’s blockade of Gaza, and essentially call for jihad against Israel. Neither Obama nor the Europeans have rebuked him for his repeated egregious behavior. Moreover, Erdogan has derived a backwind from the vacuum created by the perception of weakness of the Obama administration, coupled with Obama’s toughness against Israel – the only democratic ally in the region – rather than towards Iran.

While Hamas has been pitied and cuddled by Obama, the Europeans, the UN, and human rights organizations, there has been no condemnation of the Turkish regime (nor, for that matter, against the Islamic Republic of Iran) by the US and the West for the continued war on the Kurdish people in Turkey, Iran, and Iraqi Kurdistan. According to a CNN-TV December 19, 2007 report, “the US helped in attack on PKK.” The ostensible reason for the war against the Kurdish people is the Kurdistan Workers Party’s (PKK) terrorism. Neither the Western powers nor the UN ever took Turkey to task over the lives of thousands of innocent Kurds killed in the process. And while the PKK might have used guerilla warfare against the Turkish authorities, unlike Hamas, it rarely employed suicide bombers or attacked civilians. The double-standard is apparent, Saudi petro-dollars helped to smooth the Arab-Palestinian image while overlooking its jihadist nature. At the same time, the friendless Kurds have no petro-dollar patrons to count on.

Western hypocrisy is quite apparent. While Hamas (1.2 million Palestinians) openly opposes Israel’s existence and has been dedicated, since its inception and as stated in its Charter, to the destruction of the Jewish State through war and terrorism, the PKK has been fighting Turkey since 1984. Initially they demanded a separate state for Turkey’s approximately 15-20 million Kurds, and later, were will to compromise and moderate their demands to cultural and political rights for Kurds. Hamas has received funds from EU countries and material support from EU based Non-Governmental Organizations. The British daily newspaper, The Independent, reported back on February 19, 2009 that “Europe began covert talks with Hamas.” No such privileges were accorded to the PKK or the persecuted Kurds of Iran, Syria, and Turkey. According to the Sabah-English edition of June 12, 2010, “Europe began staging war on PKK.” New provisions of EU anti-terrorism laws state that PKK terrorists residing in European nations will be extradited, and that Turkish police officers will receive special training on the extradition of terrorists. In addition, the EU Border Protection Agency (Frontex) is stepping in to curtail the PKK’s financial resources. Will the EU use the same parameters to deal with Hamas?

In using Erdogan’s logic that Hamas deserves recognition because it won the 2006 elections, the pro-Kurdish Democratic Society Party (DTP) deserves equal recognition following its successful showing in the 2009 local Turkish elections. The DTP gained overwhelming support in the Kurdish areas of Turkey, and came a close second behind the ruling AKP. And while Israel did not interfere or prevent Hamas from taking part in the 2006 elections and select their own representatives, despite Hamas’s unwillingness to renounce terrorism and recognize Israel, Erdogan proceeded to ban the DTP, charging that it constituted “a focal point of terrorism.” In addition to banning the DTP, Erdogan’s government imprisoned dozens of DTP members, and banned its leaders from political activities for five years. The Kurds in Turkey then reorganized their party under a new name, the “Peace and Democracy Party” (BDP), and once again, the Erdogan government harassed and imprisoned the BDP members while trying to ban the new party from running in upcoming elections.

Erdogan’s Turkey has refused to accept legitimate pro-Kurdish parties or accept the PKK as a key player in solving the Kurdish question, despite a number of unilateral ceasefires declared by the PKK since the 1990s, which Turkey ignored. Erdogan is demanding that PKK fighters surrender or die. Both Erdogan and Hamas have rejected compromise.

It is time to challenge Erdogan’s hypocritical stand, and it must come from the West, which has for too long colluded with this Turkish Islamist regime and the Islamic terrorist group Hamas. The West is employing a dangerous double-standard when it comes to Israel and the PKK.

http://frontpagemag.com/2010/06/24/turkeys-deception/2/


erdie is taking turkey down a one way street to oblivion, and obviously he thinks everyone is a dummy... :wink:
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Postby bigOz » Sat Jun 26, 2010 1:01 pm

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bigOz wrote:So what? You post quotes from American neo nazi supporters whilst ignoring other news such as:
QUOTE from Time time.com dated 12 june;

Addressing Turkey's parliament on his first visit to a Muslim nation as President, Barack Obama reached out to followers of Islam everywhere. "Let me say this as clearly as I can: the United States is not and will never be at war with Islam," he said to applause. "In fact, our partnership with the Muslim world is critical in rolling back a fringe ideology that people of all faiths reject." Obama said the U.S. has been enriched by Muslim Americans, including members of his own family.

His comments came as a new Washington Post/ABC News poll shows that while 81% of Americans think it's "very important" or "somewhat important" to improve relations with the Muslim world, 48% have an unfavorable opinion of Islam. (See pictures of Obama's overseas trip.)

It's no coincidence that Obama chose Turkey to cap his first trip abroad. Turkey is a significant player in foreign policy issues that matter to the U.S. — concerning Iraq, Iran, Israel and the Palestinians, and Afghanistan. It also combines a mainly Muslim population with a secular democracy. Washington's close ties here exemplify the type of relationship Obama hopes to build with the rest of the Islamic world. "Some people have asked me if I chose to continue my travels to Ankara and Istanbul to send a message to the world," Obama said. "And my answer is simple: Evet — yes."

The President spoke strongly in favor of Turkey's effort to join the European Union — an issue that has divided the bloc, with heavyweight members like France and Germany firmly opposed to the prospect of a large, mainly Muslim member state. "The United States strongly supports Turkey's bid to become a member of the European Union," Obama said. "We speak not as members of the E.U., but as close friends of Turkey and Europe."


So, you were saying...? :roll:


not me saying but...take notice...

Lawmakers warn Turkey of payback over Iran, Israel policiesBy the CNN Wire StaffJune 16, 2010 -- Updated 1826 GMT (0226 HKT)
STORY HIGHLIGHTS
U.S. House members accuse Turkey of turning against Israel
Lawmakers warn they might back Armenian genocide resolution opposed by Turkey
House members angered by Turkey's ties with Iran, backing for flotilla that tried to break Israel blockade of Gaza
Washington (CNN) -- Supporters of Israel in the U.S. House warned Turkey on Wednesday they might support a resolution recognizing the Armenian genocide that so far has failed to come up for a vote by the full chamber.

Turkey opposes the resolution that would bring formal U.S. recognition of the 1915-1923 campaign by Turkey's Ottoman Empire against the Armenian population of eastern Anatolia region as genocide.

The resolution passed the House Foreign Affairs Committee by a single vote in March, but so far has not come up for debate by the full House. Turkey called home its U.S. ambassador to protest the House committee vote.

However, House members who have been unwilling to support the resolution now say they might change their minds due to Turkey's pro-Iranian moves and support for the recent effort to break Israel's blockade of Gaza.

"There will be a cost if Turkey stays on its present heading of growing closer to Iran and more antagonistic to the state of Israel," Rep. Mike Pence, R-Indiana, told a news conference. "It will bear upon my view and I believe the view of many members of Congress on the state of the relationship with Turkey."

In particular, Pence, said, "They need to understand going forward there's going to be a cost regarding the Armenian resolution."

Rep. Peter King, R-New York, echoed Pence in saying he was reconsidering his past opposition to taking up the Armenian genocide resolution.

King said he and "many" other House members believe there was an Armenian genocide, but have been reluctant to support the resolution due to the strategic U.S. relationship with Turkey.

"I think that's about to change," King said.

Turkey provided support to the recent flotilla of six ships that was stopped by the Israeli military from bringing aid to Gaza. Nine people -- all Turkish citizens -- died when Israeli commandos boarded the ships and violence ensued.

In response, Turkey has condemned Israel and led calls for an international investigation of the incident.

Turkey also has stepped up relations with Iran, joining Brazil recently in brokering an agreement with Iran intended to head off new U.S. sanctions over Iran's nuclear program.

The U.S. questioned the agreement and proceeded to win U.N. Security Council approval for the additional sanctions.

Pence and others told the news conference that such steps by Turkey must be opposed by the United States to demonstrate unwavering U.S. support for Israel.

Rep. Eliot Engel, D-New York, called the actions by Turkey "disgraceful" because Turkey is a NATO ally, while Rep. Shelley Berkley, D-Nevada, said she would actively oppose Turkey's bid to become part of the European Union.

"They don't deserve that recognition and they don't deserve to be a part of the EU until they start behaving more like European nations and a whole lot less like Iran," Berkley said.


http://edition.cnn.com/2010/POLITICS/06/16/us.turkey.armenia/



just remember politics are not static, but dynamic...

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You are referring to the political views of the OPPOSITION in USA and not the majority elected current government official views! I rather listen to the ruling politicians and especially the president, who make vital decisions concerning foreign policy and support!

Bringing Iran into equation is not very clever either - most of World's nations will not necessaruily agree with American politics or silly excuses they keep coming up with when trying to dictate who should have what in terms of Nuclear power (set off long before Obama). Nuclear power which is the source of one of the cheapest and cleanest (and I say cleanest in terms of modern nuclear reactors) energy source that is capable of reversing the Green House effect currently causing havoc in our World!

Their excuse: Iran might use it to make Nuclear bombs (?). AND DO WHAT? Even the most fanatic leader of any nuclear weapon producing nation would not dream of using such a bomb - knowing well that their whole nation would be wiped out from the map by the next morning as a reprisal by much powerful nations. No one seriously believes (except egoistic Americans) Iran, Turkey or any other nation in the area would seriously drop nuclear bombs on any other nation - friend or foe!#

This fucking excuse is the reluctance to reduce demand in Oil run power stations, since oil is bought with US dollars and Nuclear fuel is not! Pushing that aside, WHO DIED AND MADE AMERICA or EU GODs? so that they can decide Israel or any other European country can have nuclear power but not Turkey or Iran. Just because nations object to traditional bully tactics of Israel does not make them more dangerous to possess nuclear weapons.

A final thought for you; around 70 years after the discovery of the Nuclear power and the subsequent A-bomb, who was the first and ONLY nation to use the fucking things against humans? Killing hundreds of thousands, majority of whom were civilians... If anything, the Americans should fear themselves and no one else.

LONG LIVE ERDOGAN AND HIS STRONG WILL TO STAND UP AGAINST AMERICAN AND EUROPEAN DICTATORS! The same goes for anyone alse who does the same irrespective of whether they are Muslim, Christian or Greek Orthodox (as the case is with Russians). :D
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Postby Lit » Sat Jun 26, 2010 2:19 pm

bigOz wrote:
boomerang wrote:
bigOz wrote:So what? You post quotes from American neo nazi supporters whilst ignoring other news such as:
QUOTE from Time time.com dated 12 june;

Addressing Turkey's parliament on his first visit to a Muslim nation as President, Barack Obama reached out to followers of Islam everywhere. "Let me say this as clearly as I can: the United States is not and will never be at war with Islam," he said to applause. "In fact, our partnership with the Muslim world is critical in rolling back a fringe ideology that people of all faiths reject." Obama said the U.S. has been enriched by Muslim Americans, including members of his own family.

His comments came as a new Washington Post/ABC News poll shows that while 81% of Americans think it's "very important" or "somewhat important" to improve relations with the Muslim world, 48% have an unfavorable opinion of Islam. (See pictures of Obama's overseas trip.)

It's no coincidence that Obama chose Turkey to cap his first trip abroad. Turkey is a significant player in foreign policy issues that matter to the U.S. — concerning Iraq, Iran, Israel and the Palestinians, and Afghanistan. It also combines a mainly Muslim population with a secular democracy. Washington's close ties here exemplify the type of relationship Obama hopes to build with the rest of the Islamic world. "Some people have asked me if I chose to continue my travels to Ankara and Istanbul to send a message to the world," Obama said. "And my answer is simple: Evet — yes."

The President spoke strongly in favor of Turkey's effort to join the European Union — an issue that has divided the bloc, with heavyweight members like France and Germany firmly opposed to the prospect of a large, mainly Muslim member state. "The United States strongly supports Turkey's bid to become a member of the European Union," Obama said. "We speak not as members of the E.U., but as close friends of Turkey and Europe."


So, you were saying...? :roll:


not me saying but...take notice...

Lawmakers warn Turkey of payback over Iran, Israel policiesBy the CNN Wire StaffJune 16, 2010 -- Updated 1826 GMT (0226 HKT)
STORY HIGHLIGHTS
U.S. House members accuse Turkey of turning against Israel
Lawmakers warn they might back Armenian genocide resolution opposed by Turkey
House members angered by Turkey's ties with Iran, backing for flotilla that tried to break Israel blockade of Gaza
Washington (CNN) -- Supporters of Israel in the U.S. House warned Turkey on Wednesday they might support a resolution recognizing the Armenian genocide that so far has failed to come up for a vote by the full chamber.

Turkey opposes the resolution that would bring formal U.S. recognition of the 1915-1923 campaign by Turkey's Ottoman Empire against the Armenian population of eastern Anatolia region as genocide.

The resolution passed the House Foreign Affairs Committee by a single vote in March, but so far has not come up for debate by the full House. Turkey called home its U.S. ambassador to protest the House committee vote.

However, House members who have been unwilling to support the resolution now say they might change their minds due to Turkey's pro-Iranian moves and support for the recent effort to break Israel's blockade of Gaza.

"There will be a cost if Turkey stays on its present heading of growing closer to Iran and more antagonistic to the state of Israel," Rep. Mike Pence, R-Indiana, told a news conference. "It will bear upon my view and I believe the view of many members of Congress on the state of the relationship with Turkey."

In particular, Pence, said, "They need to understand going forward there's going to be a cost regarding the Armenian resolution."

Rep. Peter King, R-New York, echoed Pence in saying he was reconsidering his past opposition to taking up the Armenian genocide resolution.

King said he and "many" other House members believe there was an Armenian genocide, but have been reluctant to support the resolution due to the strategic U.S. relationship with Turkey.

"I think that's about to change," King said.

Turkey provided support to the recent flotilla of six ships that was stopped by the Israeli military from bringing aid to Gaza. Nine people -- all Turkish citizens -- died when Israeli commandos boarded the ships and violence ensued.

In response, Turkey has condemned Israel and led calls for an international investigation of the incident.

Turkey also has stepped up relations with Iran, joining Brazil recently in brokering an agreement with Iran intended to head off new U.S. sanctions over Iran's nuclear program.

The U.S. questioned the agreement and proceeded to win U.N. Security Council approval for the additional sanctions.

Pence and others told the news conference that such steps by Turkey must be opposed by the United States to demonstrate unwavering U.S. support for Israel.

Rep. Eliot Engel, D-New York, called the actions by Turkey "disgraceful" because Turkey is a NATO ally, while Rep. Shelley Berkley, D-Nevada, said she would actively oppose Turkey's bid to become part of the European Union.

"They don't deserve that recognition and they don't deserve to be a part of the EU until they start behaving more like European nations and a whole lot less like Iran," Berkley said.


http://edition.cnn.com/2010/POLITICS/06/16/us.turkey.armenia/



just remember politics are not static, but dynamic...

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You are referring to the political views of the OPPOSITION in USA and not the majority elected current government official views! I rather listen to the ruling politicians and especially the president, who make vital decisions concerning foreign policy and support!


A lot of the US lawmakers who are threatening Turkey with reprisals are indeed coming from the opposition conservative party. Interestingly enough, some of these lawmakers were, not so long ago, huge backers of Turkey. I do not normally watch fox news, which is a news channel here in the States that overflows with right wing talking points, but i did tune in during the flotilla incident and was stunned to hear the contempt some republican and conservative members of Congress now have for the Republic of Turkey. BUT its not only the opposition, bigOz. You say you would rather listen to the ruling politicians but i really do not think you are going to like what the ruling politicians have to say either:

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/art ... gD9GIR8780

I, for one, believe nothing will come of this because i believe Erdogan will soon start backpedaling and.....oh, back to work. May comment on this more a bit later.
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Postby miltiades » Sat Jun 26, 2010 2:35 pm

Thank your lucky stars that the Americans ARE the superpower the alternative would take the world back to the dark ages.
LONG LIVE AMERICA THE GREATEST NATION ON EARTH ( AFTER CYPRUS )
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Postby bigOz » Sat Jun 26, 2010 2:46 pm

miltiades wrote:Thank your lucky stars that the Americans ARE the superpower the alternative would take the world back to the dark ages.
LONG LIVE AMERICA THE GREATEST NATION ON EARTH ( AFTER CYPRUS )


MMMMWOOOHAAAAHAHAHAHA! :lol: :lol: :lol: Are you on a comedy show re! I will definitely pay to watch you... :lol: :lol:
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Postby bigOz » Sat Jun 26, 2010 2:51 pm

Oh! :lol: by the way :lol: Wasn't it your breed that shot at the American embassador on 19Aug 1974? :lol: :lol: :lol:

Fucking great! :lol: Two greatest nations shooting each other embassadors! :lol:

My God! You are comical! :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Postby CopperLine » Sat Jun 26, 2010 3:39 pm

Why is it so difficult for some of you to get some basic facts right ? The title of this thread is a typical disgrace of not being able to distinguish Jews from Israelis or Jews from zionists.

It's quite simple really.

Some Jews are Israelis (a minority)
Some Israelis are non-Jews (a minority)
Some Jews are zionists (a majority)
Some non-Jews are zionists (a majority)
Some zionists are not-Jewish (a majority)
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Postby IMPOSTALIEDUS » Sat Jun 26, 2010 4:31 pm

good letter big oz,this american posturing over iran is all about stopping them producing low grade fuel for domestic use, and has nothing to do with a bomb, but some of the big guys ,and we know who they are,want to control the whole thing as its big big money, under the treaty only countries who have atomic weapons can produce high grade fuel ,which i think every one can understand,and if Iran break the deadlock on producing thier own low grade, all smaller nations will do the same ,and the americans will lose control on oil and its link to the dollar.
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Postby boomerang » Sun Jun 27, 2010 2:52 am

CopperLine wrote:Why is it so difficult for some of you to get some basic facts right ? The title of this thread is a typical disgrace of not being able to distinguish Jews from Israelis or Jews from zionists.

It's quite simple really.

Some Jews are Israelis (a minority)
Some Israelis are non-Jews (a minority)
Some Jews are zionists (a majority)
Some non-Jews are zionists (a majority)
Some zionists are not-Jewish (a majority)



...substitude what ever you want but the end result would be the same...some bidding directly and some let others do the bidding for them...take your pick as the end result would be the same when it comes to the state of israel...

what is disgusting is someone putting their 2 bobs worth of drivel while unable in decifering the end result...
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