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Postby IMPOSTALIEDUS » Fri Jun 25, 2010 9:22 pm

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Paphitis wrote:Many aid ships have attempted to break the Gaza blockade and none have experienced any loss of life. Most of the aid is transferred to the Palestinians minus some banned items!

Now, what does this tell you about the Turkish "aid" ship?
you say most of the aid is transferred, this is partly correct but pray tell me why medicine is not all transferred ,why food is not all transferred ,why parts for medical equipment is not all transferred, pray tell me why ,Now what does this tell YOU about israel,s motives


Medicine, food and clothing is indeed transferred.
you as usual duck a question that you have no answer to or you want to ignore,i will ask you again as you seem to know every thing about israel, why does palistine only receive part of the shipment when it is food ,medical equipment , medicine,etc what is reason for not giving the whole shipment ,you know what the truth is , israel would not give the palistine air to breath if it could get away whith it


Israel is at war with HAMAS!

Basic Humanitarian Aid is allowed through. The entire shipments are not allowed if they contain banned items such as cement.
so what do you call 2 parts which are wanted for a life support machine in the childrens ward which helps children who have very bad breathing problems servive and the israelies only allaw one part be transferred , this is what happened last week, ending in the death of two small children , even though one of the aid organisations begged for thier realease, israel is still commiting war crimes ,and you are condoning these atrocities
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Postby Kikapu » Fri Jun 25, 2010 11:32 pm

Just remember one thing people, that Obama is ONLY a President and not a King or a Dictator. He can only do so much against Israel or towards Turkey, assuming that's where his priorities are, which I doubt, since most of the country's political power lies withing the politicians in Congress, who get their power from very strong organized Jewish groups with lots of money. But even if we were to put the Jewish lobbyist aside in American Politics, Americans in general will support Israel over any other Muslim nations, radicals or not, including Turkey, just because, specially since Turkey's name is already "mud" in the USA by first not supporting the Iraq war, second by voting against sanctions against Iran's nuclear dealings at the UNSC recently, and now, in trying to pick a fight with Israel over the Palestinians. That accounts to "three strikes and you are out" as far as the Americans are concerned, so Turkey should not rely on Obama to do anything to assist them over Israel, since the ones who pull most of the political strings in American Politics are the Jewish lobbyist and their friends.!
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Postby Paphitis » Sat Jun 26, 2010 7:14 am

IMPOSTALIEDUS wrote:
Paphitis wrote:
IMPOSTALIEDUS wrote:
Paphitis wrote:
IMPOSTALIEDUS wrote:
Paphitis wrote:Many aid ships have attempted to break the Gaza blockade and none have experienced any loss of life. Most of the aid is transferred to the Palestinians minus some banned items!

Now, what does this tell you about the Turkish "aid" ship?
you say most of the aid is transferred, this is partly correct but pray tell me why medicine is not all transferred ,why food is not all transferred ,why parts for medical equipment is not all transferred, pray tell me why ,Now what does this tell YOU about israel,s motives


Medicine, food and clothing is indeed transferred.
you as usual duck a question that you have no answer to or you want to ignore,i will ask you again as you seem to know every thing about israel, why does palistine only receive part of the shipment when it is food ,medical equipment , medicine,etc what is reason for not giving the whole shipment ,you know what the truth is , israel would not give the palistine air to breath if it could get away whith it


Israel is at war with HAMAS!

Basic Humanitarian Aid is allowed through. The entire shipments are not allowed if they contain banned items such as cement.
so what do you call 2 parts which are wanted for a life support machine in the childrens ward which helps children who have very bad breathing problems servive and the israelies only allaw one part be transferred , this is what happened last week, ending in the death of two small children , even though one of the aid organisations begged for thier realease, israel is still commiting war crimes ,and you are condoning these atrocities


I will just remind you that posts without supporting evidence from a reputable link are not allowed on CF.

Australian volunteer doctors who work in GAZA have never had a problem with shipping medicine and medical equipment!
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Postby Gasman » Sat Jun 26, 2010 8:55 am

I will just remind you that posts without supporting evidence from a reputable link are not allowed on CF.


The problem relating to the lack of medical equipment and supplies in Gaza is not a new one. There are plenty of articles written about it going back over years.

The latest tragic episode concerning the Flotilla has at least succeeded in focussing more world attention on the plight of the Palestinians. And Israel is now having to agree to 'easing' the situation a bit.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/dec/31/israel-gaza-palestinians


Shortages put hospitals on the brink of collapse

• Three operations-a-time in overstretched theatres
• Call for Israel to let in most serious cases for treatment

Emergency medical supplies were being flown to the Middle East yesterday to help Gaza's overstretched hospitals, where doctors say they are still struggling to cope with hundreds of injured patients.

Doctors at the Shifa hospital, a 585-bed complex which is the largest in Gaza, said they had treated patients on the floor and conducted operations with as many as three different patients and a dozen doctors crowded into each operating theatre.

All 25 intensive care beds were full, said Dr Hussain Ashaur, the hospital director, and there were still another 87 patients in a critical condition waiting to enter intensive care.

He said there were severe shortages of medical supplies, including gauze, sterilisation fluids and anaesthetics. In total 135 types of medical supplies were needed and 94 separate medicines. Sheets and cloth for intensive care beds were in such short supply that they were being washed three times a day.

Doctors said they were overwhelmed on Saturday, with the first rush of large numbers of injured patients, although pressure had eased slightly on Monday and yesterday. Still, the hospital was in a fragile state, Ashaur said. "We're close to collapsing if this situation continues. We have shortages of everything," he said.

The hospital was running on generators yesterday after a break in the electricity supply, and already one of its three generators had broken down and could not be repaired because of a lack of spare parts.

The International Committee of the Red Cross was to fly in 11 tonnes of supplies to Tel Aviv, which it hoped would then be allowed into Gaza. A Red Cross surgical team is on standby to fly in as well, as soon as it receives permission from the Israeli authorities.

The World Health Organisation is to fly 50 surgical kits from Norway to Israel, with enough supplies to treat 5,000 wounded people. Another nine basic health kits, enough for three months' treatment of 90,000 people with common illnesses, is also to be sent.

However, for several months Israel has allowed only limited supplies of humanitarian goods into Gaza and no other imports or exports. That has left Gaza's health system in a state of crisis, according to Physicians for Human Rights, an Israeli group.

It said even before Israel's latest bombing campaign began on Saturday that the Gazan health system was "operating under severe shortages and limitations". As well as shortages of medical equipment and trained personnel, there were shortages of medicine and a broader lack of knowledge and training in dealing with complex diseases and injuries.

Israel allowed around 100 trucks of humanitarian supplies into Gaza yesterday, a much higher number than usual but still a long way below the numbers passing through before the economic blockade was imposed last year.

Physicians for Human Rights said it knew of six patients in intensive care at the Shifa hospital who needed treatment outside Gaza but were too weak to travel the seven hours by road to Cairo.

The group said hospitals in Israel, as in the past, were ready to take the patients but the only crossing they would use out of Gaza, at Erez, had been closed since Friday. The group, together with other Israeli human rights groups, sent a letter to the Israeli defence ministry asking that patients be allowed out.

In the Shifa hospital yesterday doctors described working 20-hour days just to keep up with the flood of patients. "We thought we were in a critical situation in the past, but when we saw this we realised what had gone before was nothing," said Dr Nabil Shawa, head of orthopaedics.

"We're not prepared for this number of casualties. There were so many people I couldn't move freely from one room to the next. Besides, I have my family, and my children were at school and I was trying to reach them to know that they were safe. You can just imagine the effort, the worry. We're exhausted."

Oxfam called for an immediate ceasefire to allow in sufficient humanitarian supplies. "What is needed is an immediate ceasefire to end the terrible levels of human suffering in Gaza," said Jeremy Hobbs, director of Oxfam International.
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Postby BOF » Sat Jun 26, 2010 8:57 am

Pahitis quote " I will just remind you that posts without supporting evidence from a reputable link are not allowed on CF. "

so where is yours then regarding Australian doctors have no problem getting supplies ?

Are you related to Mark Regev? Turns out hes from Melbourne....

From a paper called the Austalian, ever read it?
www.theaustralian.com.au/news/...gaza.. ... 5878403448

Running the Gaza blockade John Lyons, Middle East correspondent From: The Australian June 12, 2010 12:00AM Increase Text SizeDecrease Text SizePrintEmail Share

Life can be cruel inside the besieged Palestinian territory, but who is responsible? A special report
IT'S hard watching a baby slowly die. He's only five days old and you can see how hard his little chest is thumping. He seems to be fighting to stay alive.

It's 9.24 on Wednesday morning this week and he has only 36 minutes of guaranteed life left.

After that, he's on his own. He's got a heart problem and needs a medication that would be available in any hospital in Australia.

Gaza doesn't have any more prostaglandin. It can't get through Israel's and Egypt's blockade of the strip of land.

The night before, at 10, the boy had been given the hospital's final batch, which an aid worker had smuggled into Gaza and whose effect would last 12 hours.

Three days before, the hospital faxed off a referral note stamped Urgent, but the chances of the boy getting through the Erez crossing into an Israeli hospital are virtually nil.

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So Seraj Abu Jarad is dying.

Another baby near him is dying too. Her name is Noor Taha and she's 34 days old. Both her kidneys are failing and doctors need to do a CT scan before they know exactly how to treat her, but a tube has broken on the CT machine and the hospital hasn't been able to get the tubes into Gaza.

Unlike Seraj Abu Jarad, Noor Taha's cloudy little eyes are open as she tries to focus.

One doctor says her condition is critical, very bad. The hospital cannot send a request for her to enter Israel until it has an accurate diagnosis and it cannot do that without a CT machine. So Noor Taha is dying, too.

Another girl, aged nine, may die as well. Because of a lack of equipment, her lymphoma was not diagnosed early enough for effective intervention.

Once it was diagnosed, the hospital tried to get her into Israel for treatment of a disease that is usually manageable.

It took seven months for Israel and the Palestinian Authority to process her paperwork, during which time the tumour grew and spread into her lungs.

As the siege of Gaza enters its fourth year, its problems are starting to run into each other; because Gaza's sewage, untreated, runs into the beaches, children are getting sick; because electricity is cut for eight to 12 hours a day, some of those who can afford a generator are being brought to hospital with carbon monoxide poisoning; because food is scarce, mothers are sometimes breastfeeding their children until the age of two, leading to malnutrition.

Doctors in Gaza have no drugs for cystic fibrosis patients and none for haemophiliacs.

Gaza has suddenly become the Middle East's new battlefield.

This week the Obama administration intervened with a huge injection of money and a call for a new approach.

Some blame Israel for the siege. Some blame Hamas. Some blame Egypt. The truth is, they are probably all culpable, one way or another.

Israel's blame surely must be for allowing so few medications and medical equipment into Gaza. Hamas's blame must come from its prolonged period of firing rockets into Israel, which led to the blockade almost four years ago. And Egypt can be blamed for its refusal to allow the sick and dying to enter the country for treatment, a ban lifted only this week.

The tragedy was evident this week in the case of the dying five-day-old, Seraj Abu Jarad.

He was up against it from the start, a full-term baby born weighing only 2kg.

Doctors in Gaza tell Inquirer they have been seeing more babies with congenital problems, which they think could be due to chemicals such as white phosphorous, which Israel used in last year's 22-day war.

Israel initially denied using white phosphorous but has since admitted it.

Doctors around Seraj at Nasser Pediatric Hospital ask if there's anybody in Israel I can call to get him through the Erez crossing to a hospital in Israel.

What happens during the next few hours shows why this conflict is so hard to resolve.

There is a political problem between the director of the hospital and the Hamas medical committee. He is not allowed to contact the Palestinian Authority directly; there is a problem between Gaza and the West Bank. Because Gaza is Hamas and the West Bank is Fatah, the West Bank medical authorities, who decide which cases are considered for an Israeli hospital, appear to give Gaza patients a lower priority. Then there is a problem in the Palestinian Authority getting a quick decision from Israel.

I start by calling Yigal Palmor, Israel's Foreign Ministry spokesman. I fax him Seraj's referral, which had gone to the Palestinian Authority in the West Bank three days earlier. The Gaza hospital has not heard a word. Because doctors in Gaza cannot deal directly with Israel, they cannot fax Palmor. So it leads to the absurd situation that I am sitting in the office of the director of the hospital faxing Palmor the referral.

Palmor then rings the military to ask them to be ready to allow an ambulance with the baby through Erez. Seraj could be in an Israeli hospital within 90 minutes.

But the military say they need a formal request from the PA.

As all this goes on, the hospital asks the same aid worker who donated the last lot for more prostaglandin. It gives Seraj another two days.

Whether he lives longer than a week is now down to whether a bureaucrat in the West Bank decides to push the case and a bureaucrat in Israel decides to send a fax approving his journey between Gaza and Israel into a hospital.

It all becomes ground down in bureaucracy and the agendas of various groups that dislike each other at best and loathe each other at worst.

This is the siege of Gaza.

AS Israeli Air Force jets roar overhead, our fixer suggests we do our interviews quickly, as some of the owners of Gaza's tunnels are becoming agitated.

They don't like questions about profit and insist they are developing this huge network of tunnels from Egypt into Gaza because of the blockade that has hermetically sealed this small strip of land.

Israel and Egypt are concerned the tunnels are used not just for goods but to smuggle into Gaza weapons that are then used against Israel.

Israel periodically bombs the tunnel system -- craters are clearly visible -- and while 100 or so are estimated to have been destroyed, hundreds of others continue or have been built as a response.

Egypt has also begun building a wall near the tunnels -- about 10km long and up to 30m deep -- to try to cut off the system.

When I ask one owner about profits he begins shouting: "My children need food. Dogs in other parts of the world eat better than our children!"

The tunnel operators have a vested interest in maintaining the blockade; they stand to lose tens of millions of dollars should it end. A European official who knows Gaza as well as anyone tells me what he says is one of the great unwritten stories about Gaza: that it is the tunnel operators firing the rockets.

It's generally accepted now -- even by Israel -- that Hamas has halted rockets.

The war of last year wrought such terrible consequences for Gaza and its 1.5 million people that more retaliation is the last thing Hamas wants now.



"We have declared a unilateral ceasefire," senior Hamas political adviser Ahmed Yousef tells Inquirer in an interview in his Gaza office.

"The priority now is how to take care of our people after the war."

There's a strong logic to the argument of the European that the tunnel operators, many of whom have their licences only because they have paid Hamas, would be the biggest losers should the embargo be lifted.

And a pattern of behaviour certainly fits with the theory; almost every time Israel begins talking about a period of calm with Gaza or every time Israel comes under pressure to lift the blockade, rockets are fired.

As news emerged last week of the nine killed on the flotilla and international reaction called on Israel to lift the blockade, suddenly there were rockets fired from Gaza into Israel.

Tunnel-owner Abu Ali rejects the notion it could be the tunnel owners firing the rockets: "No one can fire rockets unless Hamas and the factions of Hamas approve," he says.

But that's not really a no.

The 1000 or so tunnels are estimated to amount to a $100 million economy. Hamas approves, monitors and taxes each tunnel, which costs on average about $200,000 to build.

Virtually everything for sale in Gaza comes through the tunnels: cars, fridges, washing machines, goats, cows, fruit, medicines, wood, cooking oil, petrol, water purifiers, wheelchairs: everything.

Each tunnel is covered by a tent, and as we walk from tent to tent it is not uncommon to see workers sleeping in the corner until their shift begins.

Today, Abu Ali is renovating his tunnel, which specialises in oranges, ceramic tiles, cigarettes and fuel. He says the taxes Hamas imposes are particularly high on petrol and cigarettes, about $1 a packet of cigarettes.

Following the raid by Israeli commandos on the flotilla an international debate has begun about the real state of Gaza.

Israel says there is no humanitarian crisis in this strip of land wedged between Israel and Egypt. The 1.5 million inhabitants here, it argues, have reasonable standards of living. It's a strange argument for Israel to make: to argue its navy can prevent any ships or boats entering Gaza, that no planes can land because it has bombed the airport and that its army can prevent any land access, yet they have no effect.

Surely a peculiar admission of failure were it true.

The Government Press Office of Israel sent foreign journalists menus from Gaza's restaurants recently to show the high life some Gazans were living.

GPO head Danny Seaman recommended the cream of spinach soup.

But humanitarian workers say the situation is desperate.

So what's the reality?

This week Inquirer visited Gaza to make an assessment.

It's obvious the place is steadily becoming more Islamic in nature. It has always had a strong secular element though now more and more women, about one in four, are wearing the full black burka.

Hamas has set up a new checkpoint on the road into Gaza City from Erez crossing. A sign on the wall shows the new mood: alcohol will be confiscated, seized, destroyed and, the most painful phrase of all, poured out in front of its owners.

As the siege bites, Gaza is becoming an incubator of radicalism. Hamas has made it clear to local media it does not want it writing about the new radical groups because outsiders will think Hamas is allowing them to grow.

The five groups are Jund Ansar Allah (Soldiers of God), Ansar Al Sunna (Supporters of God), Army of Islam, Army of the Nation and Jaljalat. A Palestinian journalist asked the leader of one of these groups, all of which are Sunni Muslims, what he would do if he came across a Shia Muslim. Indicating he was cutting a leg with a knife, the leader answered: "Slaughter him."

It takes a lot to make Hamas look like moderates, but these groups do. They are all affiliated with al-Qa'ida. Jund Ansar Allah had a shoot-out with Hamas last year in which 24 people were killed. It ended when the leader detonated his own explosives vest.

Jaljalat is a breakaway from Hamas. When Hamas decided to contest the election in Gaza four years ago Jaljalat broke away, saying Muslims answered to God, not elections. Many in Gaza believe if it is not tunnel operators firing rockets into Israel these days, it is most likely Jaljalat.

The siege is taking its toll in all sorts of ways.

Driving from the Erez crossing in the north to the Rafah crossing in the south and back again, Inquirer saw that most businesses had closed.

There are pockets of high activity, such as the central markets in Gaza City and Rafah, but this is clearly an impoverished society.

Previously, the fishing industry was a mainstay but now, with the Israeli navy shooting at boats that go more than 3km from shore, fishing has largely died.

So has construction. Israel argues cement and steel can be used to create bunkers to be used in another war with Israel, so these are banned.

One of the few boom industries in Gaza is false limbs.

Israel launched a 22-day ground war on Gaza last year in response to the firing of rockets by Hamas on and off for eight years.

The World Health Organisation reported last July that 221 Gazans had required amputation of limbs following the war and the main local producer of prostheses has had to train more staff and increase production.

Israel's Gisha legal centre has compiled a full list of casualties from the war: more than 1440 Palestinians were killed, including 431 children and 114 women; and 5380 Palestinians were injured, including 1872 children and 800 women.

On the Israeli side, three civilians and 11 soldiers were killed and 182 civilians and 340 soldiers were injured.

In a report, Red Lines Crossed: Destruction of Gaza's Infrastructure, Gisha reports that it was before the war -- the end of 2008 -- when Israel closed Gaza's border crossings almost completely, that its infrastructure was brought to the brink of collapse.

The report says the war left electricity, water and sanitation structures seriously damaged, yet to this day Israel still blocks their full repair.

The report calls on Israel to end the blockade, subject to individual and appropriate security checks.

In March last year, medical journal The Lancet published an investigation that attributed blame all around: on the Israeli side for the military invasion in January last year and on the Palestinian side because of divisions between Fatah and Hamas and general corruption and cronyism.

Whoever is at fault, the children are suffering most: while in 1996 7.2 per cent of children had stunted growth, in 2006 this had risen to 10.2 per cent. Aid workers say Gaza is one of the few places where this generation of children will be smaller than their parents.

When Irish Foreign Minister Michael Martin visited in January, he was shocked by how small the children were.

The UN Relief and Works Agency for Palestine Refugees in the Near East reported last year that 30 per cent of children under 36 months had anaemia and 50 per cent of pregnant women did.

The Lancet investigation found many problems associated with restrictions of movement on Palestinians in the West Bank and Gaza: during a six-year period, 69 Palestinian women had not been able to make it to hospital and had given birth at an Israeli military checkpoint.

But you do see cement and steel: the tunnels make sure of that. We watch as workers frantically pull steel rods from a tunnel at a work rate BHP would envy: a clump of five steel rods every two minutes.

While Obama and others this week have been discussing what they think should happen in Gaza, the immediate reality is in the hands of Hamas.

To get a sense of where Hamas is going now, I interviewed two Hamas figures, Bashir Abu al-Najah, who enforces borders, and Ahmed Yousef, political adviser to Prime Minister Ismail Haniyeh. Al-Najah is conservative, singing without deviation from the Hamas song book. His claims: that supporters of Fatah, the rival of Hamas, are able to express their views openly, that Hamas has no financial crisis, and he makes no concessions regarding Israel.

I ask him if the embargo were lifted would Hamas guarantee Israel's security. "From the very first days of Israel's establishment here they have been talking about security," he says. It is illogical.

That's a no. His claim that people are able openly to support Fatah is described by one Gazan investigative journalist as "just a lie". Stories are legion about Fatah supporters who have been shot, imprisoned or had their legs broken by Hamas.

Any Fatah supporter considering going public needs only to consider the fate of Muhammad Swairki, 28, a Fatah supporter who had his hands and feet tied by members of Hamas before they threw him from the 15th floor of a building in 2007.

The other senior Hamas official Inquirer interviews, Yousef, claims Hamas has already demonstrated that Israel's security will not be endangered because it was no longer firing rockets.

The occasional rockets that are fired, he argues, are not from Hamas, but because Hamas cannot get close enough to the border to stop the individuals who are doing it, they continue from time to time.

He argues that because all the rockets that have been fired in recent months have always landed in open spaces, they may have been fired by Israeli collaborators who want to maintain pressure on Hamas by keeping the siege in place.

He also shows that animosity between Hamas and Fatah continues.

Fatah was stunned when it lost the election of 2007, he says. "They had been in politics for 40 years and we just 20 and when Hamas won the election, they considered it like an insult.

"They tried to do their best to undermine Hamas."

Have Fatah people in Gaza had their legs broken by Hamas?

"There were people being killed, being disappeared, by all political parties and nobody can claim to be clean 100 per cent," he says.

"The Israelis were here for 40 years, have a lot of collaborators here, there were people being shot and having legs broken, but this is the norm."

While some in Hamas say they will never drop violence against Israel, when I ask Yousef what it would take for Hamas to drop its military campaign, he says: "End the occupation."

By that does he mean the West Bank and does not include Israel proper, as some in Hamas do? "Yes, we would accept a Palestine based on 1967 borders with Jerusalem as the capital."

Essentially, that means Hamas shares the same view as Fatah: support for a two-state solution with a shared Jerusalem as the capital of a Palestine.

He says he expects Hamas and Fatah to unite within weeks.

Yousef insists the campaign to launch attacks inside Israel by suicide bombings is over.

"When was the last time there was a suicide bombing in Israel?" he asks.

"These were not helping us any more and gave Israel leverage to use against us.

"You don't use a tool which is ineffective."

Yousef points to the sending of boats to try to break the siege as the new approach.

"We are now following the non-violent approach. Let people come to break the siege by boat and put pressure on Israel."

The new focus on Gaza may give some hope for the next generation, but it will probably be too late for five-day-old Seraj Abu Jarad and 34-day-old Noor Taha.
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Postby Gasman » Sat Jun 26, 2010 9:20 am

More recently (few hours ago)

http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/report-israel-seizes-oxygen-machines-donated-to-pa-1.298385

Report: Israel seizes oxygen machines donated to PA

Israel confiscated seven oxygen machines en route to hospitals in the West Bank and Gaza based on the claim that there was a chance the generators attached to the machines would not be used for medical purposes, Palestinian news agency Ma'an reported Saturday.
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Postby Gasman » Sat Jun 26, 2010 9:25 am

Six days ago:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/jun/20/israel-bows-pressure-ease-gaza-blockade

Israel bows to pressure and agrees to ease Gaza blockade

Tony Blair warns real test will be 'not what is said, but what is done', while UN calls again for siege to end

Israel agreed tonight to a significant easing of its blockade of Gaza, under intense pressure from the international community after its deadly interception last month of boats attempting to break the siege.

Steps to ease the blockade will be implemented "as quickly as possible", according to a statement issued after a meeting of Israel's security cabinet. Tony Blair, the Middle East peace envoy authorised to broker a deal with the Israeli prime minister, Binyamin Netanyahu, issued a separate statement covering the same ground but warning that the real test would be "not what is said, but what is done".

The aim of the new policy is to permit "civilian products for the civilian population", Mark Regev, Netanyahu's spokesman, said. It will include:

• A list of prohibited items to be limited to weapons and material - including "dual-use items" - that could be used in manufacturing arms. All other civilian items will be allowed to enter Gaza.

• Building materials for the Palestinian Authority and UN-approved projects to be allowed in.

• Capacity at crossing points to be increased to allow easier access.

• The policy on the movement of people in and out of Gaza to be "streamlined".

No timetable was issued for the publication of the list of banned items.

The crucial issue of whether commercial goods will be allowed to cross into Gaza to allow the recovery of its crippled economy was not explicitly addressed in the statements. Decisions are still pending, according to an Israeli official. Blair's office insisted that the intention was "to get the private sector going".

Aid agencies have cautioned that concrete implementation of any relaxation of the siege could be hampered by Israeli foot-dragging. "The siege must be ended, not just eased," said UN spokesman Chris Gunness. "Otherwise Israel continues to be in breach of international law."

Gisha, an Israeli human rights organisation, said in a statement: "A policy consistent with international law would allow free passage of raw materials into Gaza, export of finished goods, and the travel of persons not just for 'humanitarian' reasons but also for work, study, and family unity - subject only to reasonable security checks."

Ziad al-Zaza, a Hamas cabinet minister, called the Israeli move a "deception". The blockade must be lifted completely "to allow Gaza to import all necessary materials, particularly cement, iron, raw materials for industry and agriculture, as well as import and export between Gaza and the world", he said.

The White House welcomed the news and said Israel had responded to the international community. "Once implemented, we believe these arrangements should significantly improve conditions for Palestinians in Gaza, while preventing the entry of weapons," said President Barack Obama's spokesman, Robert Gibbs.

The blockade has caused a humanitarian and economic crisis in Gaza, say aid agencies, leaving 80% of Gazans dependent on handouts and leading to the closure of thousands of businesses.

The statements from the Israeli government and Blair's office stressed the need for Israel to protect its security and demanded the release of an Israeli soldier, Gilad Shalit, held in Gaza by Hamas for the past four years.

The timing of today's announcement may have been in part to deflect further sea-borne attempts to deliver aid to Gaza. The Israeli navy is on alert for a ship carrying female activists from Lebanon, which had been scheduled to depart at the weekend.

Israel insists it is entitled to use force to prevent any aid ships reaching Gaza. Its ambassador to the UN told Ban Ki-moon, the UN's secretary-general, that "Israel reserves its right under international law to use all necessary means to prevent these ships from violating the existing naval blockade imposed on the Gaza Strip."

Ehud Barak, Israel's defence minister, warned the Lebanese government last week against authorising any flotilla. "You are responsible for the boats leaving your ports, which have the clear and stated intention of trying to break the naval blockade on Gaza," he said.

He warned of a potentially "violent and dangerous confrontation" if any boats refused to be diverted to the Israeli port of Ashdod. Netanyahu is to meet Obama in Washington on 6 July, it was announced today. An earlier scheduled meeting to discuss the progress of fragile "proximity" talks between the Israelis and Palestinians, brokered by George Mitchell, Obama's Middle East envoy, was abruptly called off following Israel's assault on the flotilla on 31 May in which nine Turkish activists were killed.

Rahm Emanuel, Obama's chief of staff, said the president was keen to "seize this opportunity" to push both sides towards a breakthrough in negotiations over a two-state solution of the conflict.
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Postby Paphitis » Sat Jun 26, 2010 10:01 am

Yes, the lack of medical equipment is known. However, the accusations made that Israel is restricting the movement of urgently needed medical equipment is false.

The restrictions against oxygen bottles is noted, as are the restriction on cement.

The naval blockade against The Strip is one thing. Israel is at war with HAMAS who have fired thousands of rockets into Israeli cities and towns killing thousands.

And Turkey's Geopolitical posturing, highjacking what is a worthy cause, is quite another thing, and we have seen numerous examples of how the US, allies, ECHELON, AIPAC, NATO and EU intend on countering the Turkish Ottoman menace. Other countries are not at risk from Israel, however, Turkey is a threat to regional stability, Cyprus, Israel, US interests, and the EU.

Who said there will be no consequences. Turkey will be made to pay in the long run. May Turkey go to hell because Turkey is MY enemy and Israel is NOT.
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Postby Gasman » Sat Jun 26, 2010 11:56 am

The 'economic blockade' is a disgrace. And they joke about it 'putting Palestinians on a diet'.

You cannot 'discuss' what Israel does and does not allow through in detail, because they refuse to publish any details.

There are lists in circulation - but no point in posting them here as you will refute them on the basis of where they came from. But the only way they can get the info is from reporting back by those who have failed to get stuff through.

I read that more stuff is coming through the tunnels than from anywhere else and that then ends up with it being overpriced and only those who can afford to buy it being able to do so.
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Postby Paphitis » Sat Jun 26, 2010 12:51 pm

Gasman wrote:The 'economic blockade' is a disgrace. And they joke about it 'putting Palestinians on a diet'.

You cannot 'discuss' what Israel does and does not allow through in detail, because they refuse to publish any details.

There are lists in circulation - but no point in posting them here as you will refute them on the basis of where they came from. But the only way they can get the info is from reporting back by those who have failed to get stuff through.

I read that more stuff is coming through the tunnels than from anywhere else and that then ends up with it being overpriced and only those who can afford to buy it being able to do so.


I have been there!

What about you?

It is a disgrace in your opinion. The rocket attacks against Israeli civilians are also a disgrace.

Fight fire with fire.

There is no bigger disgrace than Turkey.
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