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Deniz, what year is this map? Is it a book or poster?

[denizaksulu]

ECHR awards damages to nine refugees
By Stefanos Evripidou
Published on June 23, 2010

THE EUROPEAN Court of Human Rights (ECHR) yesterday awarded damages to nine Greek Cypriot refugees, ordering Turkey to pay up for preventing access to their properties.
The Strasburg-based court had ruled in January 2009 that Turkey was prohibiting access to the properties of the nine applicants in the occupied areas. The ECHR condemned Turkey for violating the applicants’ right to protect their properties as well as their right for respect of their private and family life.
The Court ruled that Turkey had violated Article 1 of Protocol 1 of the European Convention of Human Rights regarding the protection of property in all nine cases, while in seven of those cases the Court ruled that Turkey had violated Article 8 of the Convention on respect of private and family life.
The final judgment of the Court was made public yesterday. Turkey is to pay the applicants pecuniary and non-pecuniary damages ranging between €10,000 and €400,000 plus additional costs and expenses.
Kypros Chrysostomides, who represented three of the applicants from Ayios Ambrosia at the ECHR said yesterday that the damages awarded were much less than what was sought.
“The three cases are now completed and damages awarded. The compensation sought does not reflect what was awarded,” he said, noting that the court procedure took two decades.
In Ioannou v Turkey, his client sought €1,397,000 in damages and was awarded €250,000 plus €8,000 for costs. In another case, Chrysostomides argued for €1,194,000 but the Court awarded the much smaller figure of €80,000 plus costs to his client.
“The most important thing is compensation was awarded and (the applicants’) right to property was not affected by this compensation,” said Chrysostomides. 
Last month, the ECHR rejected Turkey’s demand that 35 cases regarding Greek Cypriot properties in the occupied north be examined by the Turkish Cypriot property commission. Those cases will now be examined by the ECHR, which will decide on compensation for loss of use since the 1974 Turkish invasion. Following yesterday’s ruling on the nine applications, these remaining 35 cases will be the last property cases the ECHR will examine.
The rest, if any, would have to go to the Immovable Property Commission (IPC) set up by Turkey and recognised by the ECHR in March as a domestic remedy for such cases.

http://www.cyprus-mail.com/cyprus/echr- ... s/20100622

Believe there is a typo in this article from the CY Mail.

Suspect the village it refers to above is Agios Amvrosios, Kyrenia District... which further believe is known by some including the CheapskateLandthievingCarpetShaggers, and the Partitionists Bananiot and Halil as Eesenteepee (or something like that)

You are absolutely correct. It is Ay. AMVROSIOS

Even on the attached map it is wait for it Ayios AMVRISIOS CHIFTLIK I will not ask what that means; I think it was already discussed a few years back.




What am I doing here?

Delighted you popped in.....

.....cos that map is brilliant, cos for years been looking for a little hamlet that's dissapeared from modern maps, in which have an interest, .... and it's marked on your map!!!!!!!.... nowhere near where thought it was .... soooooo you've made a sort of refugee from that area vereeeeeeee happeeeeeeee .............

Somewhere I read (a long long time ago) that there were far more villages about a hundred years ago. If I rememeber about 250 have disappeared.

If you know where to look you an still see foundations and they are not 'ancient' towns.

In the past I had asked if any Greek Cypriots (from now on I will call therm Cypriots) knew the origine of the name of Anglissides. On acient maps it is written as Egglisides/Ekklisides. Having been to Spain and come accross many churches, one cannot but think that the name may have been derived from the same word. As Ecclesiastical/ Julios Englesias(meaning church I suppose). What is your opinion?

Also what was the name of the site you found on the above map?

Yes, I am keeping out of politices. I may need to travel to Cyprus soon.

[bill cobbett]

On this Chiftlik business.... here's the wiki ....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chiflik

Seems to be a long abandoned feudal/serf-based land system, thankfully condemned to the dustbin of history and lost causes, another failed attempt at CarpetBagging in CY.... ( and elsewhere).

[bill cobbett]

ECHR awards damages to nine refugees
By Stefanos Evripidou
Published on June 23, 2010

THE EUROPEAN Court of Human Rights (ECHR) yesterday awarded damages to nine Greek Cypriot refugees, ordering Turkey to pay up for preventing access to their properties.
The Strasburg-based court had ruled in January 2009 that Turkey was prohibiting access to the properties of the nine applicants in the occupied areas. The ECHR condemned Turkey for violating the applicants’ right to protect their properties as well as their right for respect of their private and family life.
The Court ruled that Turkey had violated Article 1 of Protocol 1 of the European Convention of Human Rights regarding the protection of property in all nine cases, while in seven of those cases the Court ruled that Turkey had violated Article 8 of the Convention on respect of private and family life.
The final judgment of the Court was made public yesterday. Turkey is to pay the applicants pecuniary and non-pecuniary damages ranging between €10,000 and €400,000 plus additional costs and expenses.
Kypros Chrysostomides, who represented three of the applicants from Ayios Ambrosia at the ECHR said yesterday that the damages awarded were much less than what was sought.
“The three cases are now completed and damages awarded. The compensation sought does not reflect what was awarded,” he said, noting that the court procedure took two decades.
In Ioannou v Turkey, his client sought €1,397,000 in damages and was awarded €250,000 plus €8,000 for costs. In another case, Chrysostomides argued for €1,194,000 but the Court awarded the much smaller figure of €80,000 plus costs to his client.
“The most important thing is compensation was awarded and (the applicants’) right to property was not affected by this compensation,” said Chrysostomides. 
Last month, the ECHR rejected Turkey’s demand that 35 cases regarding Greek Cypriot properties in the occupied north be examined by the Turkish Cypriot property commission. Those cases will now be examined by the ECHR, which will decide on compensation for loss of use since the 1974 Turkish invasion. Following yesterday’s ruling on the nine applications, these remaining 35 cases will be the last property cases the ECHR will examine.
The rest, if any, would have to go to the Immovable Property Commission (IPC) set up by Turkey and recognised by the ECHR in March as a domestic remedy for such cases.

http://www.cyprus-mail.com/cyprus/echr- ... s/20100622

Believe there is a typo in this article from the CY Mail.

Suspect the village it refers to above is Agios Amvrosios, Kyrenia District... which further believe is known by some including the CheapskateLandthievingCarpetShaggers, and the Partitionists Bananiot and Halil as Eesenteepee (or something like that)

You are absolutely correct. It is Ay. AMVROSIOS

Even on the attached map it is wait for it Ayios AMVRISIOS CHIFTLIK I will not ask what that means; I think it was already discussed a few years back.




What am I doing here?

Delighted you popped in.....

.....cos that map is brilliant, cos for years been looking for a little hamlet that's dissapeared from modern maps, in which have an interest, .... and it's marked on your map!!!!!!!.... nowhere near where thought it was .... soooooo you've made a sort of refugee from that area vereeeeeeee happeeeeeeee .............

Somewhere I read (a long long time ago) that there were far more villages about a hundred years ago. If I rememeber about 250 have disappeared.

If you know where to look you an still see foundations and they are not 'ancient' towns.

In the past I had asked if any Greek Cypriots (from now on I will call therm Cypriots) knew the origine of the name of Anglissides. On acient maps it is written as Egglisides/Ekklisides. Having been to Spain and come accross many churches, one cannot but think that the name may have been derived from the same word. As Ecclesiastical/ Julios Englesias(meaning church I suppose). What is your opinion?

Also what was the name of the site you found on the above map?

Yes, I am keeping out of politices. I may need to travel to Cyprus soon.

Between me and you now D.... Go to Agios Amvrosios on your map and follow the marked river south for a couple of miles, in to the mountains, and you come to the hamlet marked Platymatis .... where have a direct interest.

Am so happy to have found it . Won't believe how many modern day maps have looked at for it.

[denizaksulu]

Deniz, what year is this map? Is it a book or poster?

It is a book. Presented to me by a valuable friend.

[denizaksulu]

I have often made references to Captain Kitchener as the first person who drew accurate maps of Cyprus using 'triangulation' (he was an engineer).

The one who was too late to save Gordon of Khartoum.

[Get Real!]

Deniz, what year is this map? Is it a book or poster?

It is a book. Presented to me by a valuable friend.

1882! Must be the first cartography of Cyprus by the British...

I’ll take the outdated book off your hands for € 100.00!

[denizaksulu]

Deniz, what year is this map? Is it a book or poster?

It is a book. Presented to me by a valuable friend.

1882! Must be the first cartography of Cyprus by the British...

I’ll take the outdated book off your hands for € 100.00!

Impossible!!

[denizaksulu]

ECHR awards damages to nine refugees
By Stefanos Evripidou
Published on June 23, 2010

THE EUROPEAN Court of Human Rights (ECHR) yesterday awarded damages to nine Greek Cypriot refugees, ordering Turkey to pay up for preventing access to their properties.
The Strasburg-based court had ruled in January 2009 that Turkey was prohibiting access to the properties of the nine applicants in the occupied areas. The ECHR condemned Turkey for violating the applicants’ right to protect their properties as well as their right for respect of their private and family life.
The Court ruled that Turkey had violated Article 1 of Protocol 1 of the European Convention of Human Rights regarding the protection of property in all nine cases, while in seven of those cases the Court ruled that Turkey had violated Article 8 of the Convention on respect of private and family life.
The final judgment of the Court was made public yesterday. Turkey is to pay the applicants pecuniary and non-pecuniary damages ranging between €10,000 and €400,000 plus additional costs and expenses.
Kypros Chrysostomides, who represented three of the applicants from Ayios Ambrosia at the ECHR said yesterday that the damages awarded were much less than what was sought.
“The three cases are now completed and damages awarded. The compensation sought does not reflect what was awarded,” he said, noting that the court procedure took two decades.
In Ioannou v Turkey, his client sought €1,397,000 in damages and was awarded €250,000 plus €8,000 for costs. In another case, Chrysostomides argued for €1,194,000 but the Court awarded the much smaller figure of €80,000 plus costs to his client.
“The most important thing is compensation was awarded and (the applicants’) right to property was not affected by this compensation,” said Chrysostomides. 
Last month, the ECHR rejected Turkey’s demand that 35 cases regarding Greek Cypriot properties in the occupied north be examined by the Turkish Cypriot property commission. Those cases will now be examined by the ECHR, which will decide on compensation for loss of use since the 1974 Turkish invasion. Following yesterday’s ruling on the nine applications, these remaining 35 cases will be the last property cases the ECHR will examine.
The rest, if any, would have to go to the Immovable Property Commission (IPC) set up by Turkey and recognised by the ECHR in March as a domestic remedy for such cases.

http://www.cyprus-mail.com/cyprus/echr- ... s/20100622

Believe there is a typo in this article from the CY Mail.

Suspect the village it refers to above is Agios Amvrosios, Kyrenia District... which further believe is known by some including the CheapskateLandthievingCarpetShaggers, and the Partitionists Bananiot and Halil as Eesenteepee (or something like that)

You are absolutely correct. It is Ay. AMVROSIOS

Even on the attached map it is wait for it Ayios AMVRISIOS CHIFTLIK I will not ask what that means; I think it was already discussed a few years back.




What am I doing here?

Delighted you popped in.....

.....cos that map is brilliant, cos for years been looking for a little hamlet that's dissapeared from modern maps, in which have an interest, .... and it's marked on your map!!!!!!!.... nowhere near where thought it was .... soooooo you've made a sort of refugee from that area vereeeeeeee happeeeeeeee .............

Somewhere I read (a long long time ago) that there were far more villages about a hundred years ago. If I rememeber about 250 have disappeared.

If you know where to look you an still see foundations and they are not 'ancient' towns.

In the past I had asked if any Greek Cypriots (from now on I will call therm Cypriots) knew the origine of the name of Anglissides. On acient maps it is written as Egglisides/Ekklisides. Having been to Spain and come accross many churches, one cannot but think that the name may have been derived from the same word. As Ecclesiastical/ Julios Englesias(meaning church I suppose). What is your opinion?

Also what was the name of the site you found on the above map?

Yes, I am keeping out of politices. I may need to travel to Cyprus soon.

Between me and you now D.... Go to Agios Amvrosios on your map and follow the marked river south for a couple of miles, in to the mountains, and you come to the hamlet marked Platymatis .... where have a direct interest.

Am so happy to have found it . Won't believe how many modern day maps have looked at for it.

'Chukur ' means pit or a depression or 'hole'. I wonder if there was a mine there long ago?

[Nikitas]

The ECHR simply reasserts its procedural rules which some lawyers seemed to have forgotten in the past.

In these cases the ACCESS question is settled and in fact it reverses the cases of a few weeks ago when the ENJOYMENT of property was the basis for claims by HEIRS to property. Obviously heirs who were not alive in 1974 cannot claim deprivation of enjoyment. However heirs as well as the original owners still have a right of ACCESS to property. So much for the arguments of some who bring up the so called rights of the person in actual possession who might not even be a TC therefore has no justification that he might contribute in the form of a potential exchange of properties.

THe property issue is vital to the success of any settlement. It is worth taking seriously and dealing with it practically. The properties commission in the north is a joke. It is set up by the TRNC while the entity responsible for dealing with the problem is the one that created it- namely Turkey.