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count them, three. (my manifesto #2)

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continue his efforts in trying to teach people how to count
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enlarge his stable with two more donkeys, maybe they will have greater success
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give up because, "you are a nice guy" and all you get is a lump of clay.
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no comment, i just like to vote sometimes
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count them, three. (my manifesto #2)

Postby repulsewarrior » Wed Jun 23, 2010 6:39 am

That federation would comprise a federal government with a single international personality, along with a Turkish Cypriot constituent state and a Greek Cypriot constituent state, which would be of equal status.


...i guess i'm too lazy to find the definitive source of where this Statement comes from, but this is the link to this quotation's source:

http://www.un.org/apps/news/story.asp?NewsID=35098&Cr=&Cr1=

please note:

-a federal government must exist.
-a Turkish Cypriot constituent state must exist.
-a Greek Cypriot constituent state must exist.

thus the only conclusion i can make is that there is a need for Greeks to constitute a form of representation that completes this Agreement's very basis; a Greek Cypriot constituent state.

here are the rainbow lines i draw:

1. the federal government defines its Citizens as Individuals; by their residence.

2. the voting is democratic, all voters voting in the same way, all votes are given the same weight.

3. the legislature for the federal government is Bicameral, it is the Upper House that provides leadership, having seats equally divided among Turkish and Greek representatives where a majority of seats must be won by a leader who becomes President. and a Lower House which is elected by Population, as Independants representing sober second thinking, voting by consensus through a Speaker, they would also sit in Government Committees. (shades of the Annan plan)

4. as such, a voter will vote thricely (voting once), from three seperate slates, so that the best representatives are elected by and for the voter's riding, they will vote for their Turkish Cypriot Representative and their Greek Cypriot Representative, as well as their Independant. Representative. (shades of the guy or was it the guy before that)

...do the math (for the Upper and Lower House), then assume larger populations and a different demographic, do the math again...

...then consider how over time a representative's experience and expertise can grow, and consider how this changing population is open to a representation in the future which will sustain Turkish and Greek identities by civic leaders of neither ethnicity.

5. the Turkish constituent state, and the Greek constituent state shall be equal, in that they each represent themselves as Persons in a National Assembly where their electorate is identified by their residence, and in that they obtian their Charter meeting the same criteria determined by the federal government which retains its Sovereignty while assigning territorial Jurisdiction.

6. Bizonal shall define a geographic representation of our commitment to redressing the suffering of all displaced, with their return, for some as communities. thus the island as it is divided has to its political geography many pockets added everywhere, resulting in the obligation of the National Assemblies to provide their service to an electorate that is island-wide.

7. settlers who apply for Citizenship, who are accepted, and who will be newly displaced (from the repopulation) shall be provided homes, or at their choosing compensation.

other thoughts...

8. a protocol over the land issue shall be formed so that most disputes are settled by the afffected bodies themselves. the IPC's mandate may be extended to settle the compensation issues of all the displaced, however rulings from the Supreme Court of Cyprus must remain a final court of Judgement for all Property issues.

9. each of the governing bodies will have the right to armed forces toward the enforcement of Law. however only the federal government has a right to an armed force which defends the State. for foreign troops to exist on the island, none are Sovereign in their Bases, recognising the will of the Cypriot People. as such demilitarised, their own armed force could gain great experience in union with willing lease holders toward a common goal which may serve the bigger fight against real enemies (such as disaster, or disease, hunger, or where there are refugees and displaced against their slaughter), or otherwise strictly not allowed.

...so, three governments (at least); two levels of government: that's Bicommunal.

...so, constituent states made of many components define a National Identity; they serve this majority first, recognising the special needs of others, Nationally an effort toward the State: this is Bizonal.

...so that you know, i will send a link to this post to President Christofias, with the hope that these ideas he can share with his contemporaries and counterparts. "on the ground", if he wrote to thank me here, for my effort, would it help you to believe that Bizonal, and Bicommunal can have valid meanings, and they are not words meant to describe tearing the island in two.
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Postby wyoming cowboy » Wed Jun 23, 2010 7:32 am

ONe man one vote, The head of state ie President will be the one who garnishes 51 percent of the vote from both states.......For a President to be elected he must get at least 25percent of the vote from the state he is not from.....This will ensure that needs of the other state will be taken into account.....

The Federal government shall have the right to regulate international commerce, ports/airand sea, will issue licenses for offshore drilling, control post, and levy a tax in order to support the Federal police and other officers it has to pay.....

There will be three sets of government and court systems.....

To make this short just look up the usa constitution......Roughly 10 pages of laws and rights......very simple in contrast the Annan plan had 9000 pages of documents and laws
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Postby repulsewarrior » Wed Jun 23, 2010 8:04 am

indeed, the Annan Plan was not clear, nor was it possible to read, its final version written and published so soon before the vote. (win-win for the "Turkish" negociators)

so you get it. three Judiciaries.

one man one vote (thricely), and if there was a Maronite seat, every citizen would vote from four slates to elect this federal representative. Maronites would be provided a territorial Jurisdiction which through a National Assembly sustain this identity by providing for its needs and the special needs of the minorities which live amongst them.

a President is elected because his platform has universal qualities that the electorate votes for. this is the only way to win a majority, parties will necessarily provide for each riding candidates to fill both slates. i would qualify, if the President is Turkish, his Vice President is Greek, and vice versa. a "turk" could win less "turkish" seats and still win a majority, a President does not even have to be ethnicly a Greek or a Turk, there are many possibilities
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Postby Gasman » Wed Jun 23, 2010 9:24 am

Your posts make for a more interesting read than the press releases and statements from Christofias do. Just a bunch of generalisations, meaningless twaddle

Talks are aimed at finding a mutually agreed solution of the Cyprus problem.


We are convinced that with perseverance we shall achieve a comprehensive settlement.


We underscore the fact that negotiations are being conducted under the overriding principle of the "integrated whole approach," which means that "nothing is agreed unless everything is agreed."


Achieve a mutually acceptable solution that will be put to separate simultaneous referenda.


Not a single interesting point that anyone could DISCUSS in among them.
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Postby repulsewarrior » Wed Jun 23, 2010 6:45 pm

...more trial balloons could be released.

...more interestingly, public audiences could be organised so that the input of citizens may provide an impetus for new thoughts.
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Postby yialousa1971 » Wed Jun 23, 2010 6:47 pm

Repulsewarrior should fuck off. :lol:
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Postby repulsewarrior » Wed Jun 23, 2010 7:42 pm

thank-you for your comment yialousa, i await the comments of your contemporaires,

thus the only conclusion i can make is that there is a need for Greeks to constitute a form of representation that completes this Agreement's very basis; a Greek Cypriot constituent state.


...this, i thought would promote a wider comment.
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Postby Malapapa » Wed Jun 23, 2010 10:00 pm

yialousa1971 wrote:Repulsewarrior should fuck off. :lol:


yialoser proves once more that Hellenism's civilising influence never stretched as far as his part of the village.
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Postby yialousa1971 » Wed Jun 23, 2010 10:04 pm

Malapapa wrote:
yialousa1971 wrote:Repulsewarrior should fuck off. :lol:


yialoser proves once more that Hellenism's civilising influence never stretched as far as his part of the village.


Tell that to my fist. :wink:
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Postby Malapapa » Wed Jun 23, 2010 10:09 pm

yialousa1971 wrote:
Malapapa wrote:
yialousa1971 wrote:Repulsewarrior should fuck off. :lol:


yialoser proves once more that Hellenism's civilising influence never stretched as far as his part of the village.


Tell that to my fist. :wink:


Shove it up your arse first, you little prick.
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