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[BirKibrisli]

The quote below needs to be carefully examined,as I think it hits the target from bullseye....

It makes you wonder whether we actually want the withdrawal of the Turkish troops or whether their presence suits us, as it ensure the ethnic purity of half the island. Is re-unification a sincere objective, or is partition preferable to the majority of the people? This is, more or less, the historical dilemma that Cypriots are facing and will need to make a final decision on in the next few months.

This also explains the position taken by the GC fanatics on this forum who are hiding behind their "democracy and Human rights" curtain...

[Nikitas]

If this staement was made by the Turkish prime minister then we have to focus on it.

He is obviously putting conditions and it is interesting that he includes the British in the withdrawal equation. At least HE can see the potential for trouble that the British present, as opposed to our lot that have not mentioned the British bases ONCE during the negotiations and had no problems with the robber baron provision for the bases in the Annan plan.

What Turkey seems to be saying is that it will not insist on a hold on Cyprus if there are gurantees that no one else will have a hold either. Rather than a win-win this could be called a no lose-no lose proposal.

And finally the total demilitarisation of the island has been proposed by the GC side since Makarios days. And total seems to be a clear concept. So let us listen and focus. If this statement was actually made then it seems to present the first inklings of a policy change.

[Nikitas]

My mistake above, it is a minister not the prime minister.

Funny that this statement has not made it to the media in Greece or Cyprus. Nothing in the leading papers in Athens today.

Journalist Makarios Droushiotis comments on it in his piece in Politis. Otherwise silence.

What was also covered in Politis is Eroglu's insistence that the properties issue should be covered first in what seems like a move to cancel out any further territorial adjustment. His view being that there should be no forced dislocation of people in the north. He also claims that settlers cannot be called "immigrants" after 35 years.

These two vguys, Bagis and Eroglu, are sending conflicting signals. They are certainly confusing me.

[BirKibrisli]

Bagis is very close to Erdogan,so we can be sure that would be Erdogan's thinking as well...I think they are just testing the water at this stage,and the silence from the GC side is indeed very interesting...Perhaps they need to consult Greece before making any comment...It is also interesting that Turkey is trying to drag Britain into it as well...This is a reversal of events,it was the British and the Americans that dragged Turkey back into the Cyprus equation in mid 50s....

Eroglu is simply trying to get the best possible deal under an agreed partition,Nikitas...He has no doubt the negotiations will get nowhere,as usual...But whatever he is saying,be sure he has cleared it with Turkey first...He doesn't have the luxury of going alone on the property issue...

[humanist]

I think if Turkey formally advises the EU and Downer in writing that they wish to discuss withdrawl of all troops from Cyprus I believe the British need to also come to the party and remove their place in Cyprus and so should Greek forces also go.

[Oracle]

Rum this, rum that! Mines a rum and coke.

This character must be an embarassment to TCs.

He is a pathetic, brainless teenager that Tcs other than some diaspora TCs don't care about he and likes at all...

I lived 18 years in Istanbul and visited many places in Turkey, have thousands of Turkish friends but never come across to an idiot like Runaway who calls himself a Turk but actually bears no charasteristics of a Turk or a even a "Turk". I can't understand those who bother to respond this idiot!

Well said insan.
Any chance you could enlighten us on these "characteristics of a Turk" which you clearly admire? [Seriously].

[insan]

Rum this, rum that! Mines a rum and coke.

This character must be an embarassment to TCs.

He is a pathetic, brainless teenager that Tcs other than some diaspora TCs don't care about he and likes at all...

I lived 18 years in Istanbul and visited many places in Turkey, have thousands of Turkish friends but never come across to an idiot like Runaway who calls himself a Turk but actually bears no charasteristics of a Turk or a even a "Turk". I can't understand those who bother to respond this idiot!

Well said insan.
Any chance you could enlighten us on these "characteristics of a Turk" which you clearly admire? [Seriously].

just check the famous Greco-Turkish discussion forum... or check some other international forums like :

http://steppes.proboards.com/
http://www.allempires.com/forum/
http://illyria.proboards.com/index.cgi? ... 672&page=1
http://www.chinahistoryforum.com/index. ... is-a-turk/

You won't come across to an illiterate so-called Turk like Runaway in either of these forums where Turks maturely and intellectually discuss issues...

Ps: Oracle, you too need to get maturer and stop using foul language when talking about Turks.

[Oracle]

Rum this, rum that! Mines a rum and coke.

This character must be an embarassment to TCs.

He is a pathetic, brainless teenager that Tcs other than some diaspora TCs don't care about he and likes at all...

I lived 18 years in Istanbul and visited many places in Turkey, have thousands of Turkish friends but never come across to an idiot like Runaway who calls himself a Turk but actually bears no charasteristics of a Turk or a even a "Turk". I can't understand those who bother to respond this idiot!

Well said insan.
Any chance you could enlighten us on these "characteristics of a Turk" which you clearly admire? [Seriously].

just check the famous Greco-Turkish discussion forum... or check some other international forums like :

http://steppes.proboards.com/
http://www.allempires.com/forum/
http://illyria.proboards.com/index.cgi? ... 672&page=1
http://www.chinahistoryforum.com/index. ... is-a-turk/

You won't come across to an illiterate so-called Turk like Runaway in either of these forums where Turks maturely and intellectually discuss issues...

Ps: Oracle, you too need to get maturer and stop using foul language when talking about Turks.

If I use 'foul' language on Turks, you can be sure it is well deserved!

[Me Ed]

Rum this, rum that! Mines a rum and coke.

This character must be an embarassment to TCs.

He is a pathetic, brainless teenager that Tcs other than some diaspora TCs don't care about he and likes at all...

I lived 18 years in Istanbul and visited many places in Turkey, have thousands of Turkish friends but never come across to an idiot like Runaway who calls himself a Turk but actually bears no charasteristics of a Turk or a even a "Turk". I can't understand those who bother to respond this idiot!

Well said insan.
Any chance you could enlighten us on these "characteristics of a Turk" which you clearly admire? [Seriously].

ust check the famous Greco-Turkish discussion forum... or check some other international forums like :

http://steppes.proboards.com/
http://www.allempires.com/forum/
http://illyria.proboards.com/index.cgi? ... 672&page=1
http://www.chinahistoryforum.com/index. ... is-a-turk/

You won't come across to an illiterate so-called Turk like Runaway in either of these forums where Turks maturely and intellectually discuss issues...

Ps: Oracle, you too need to get maturer and stop using foul language when talking about Turks.

I must say the Turks I've got to know living and working in parts London with a large Turkish community are definately not in anyway like runaway.

[Piratis]

The quote below needs to be carefully examined,as I think it hits the target from bullseye....

It makes you wonder whether we actually want the withdrawal of the Turkish troops or whether their presence suits us, as it ensure the ethnic purity of half the island. Is re-unification a sincere objective, or is partition preferable to the majority of the people? This is, more or less, the historical dilemma that Cypriots are facing and will need to make a final decision on in the next few months.

This also explains the position taken by the GC fanatics on this forum who are hiding behind their "democracy and Human rights" curtain...

We don't mind at all to be mixed with the TC minority. In Cyprus there are many other minorities and we never had any problem with them. Actually the statement about "ethnic purity" of half of the island is nonsense, since about 15% of the population in the free areas of Cyprus are not Greek Cypriots.

But if you believe what you said then here is a challenge for you: Accept to be placed in a referendum a solution that would truly unify Cyprus without any kind of borders, under a truly democratic system and with respect to the human rights of all Cypriots. If you are right then we should vote against such solution because supposedly we want "ethnic purity of half of the island" and then TCs can have the partition they always dreamed about.

So, do you accept the challenge Bir?